Arsenal Banter Archive January 12 2019

12 Jan 2019 20:24:48
Cheer up lads, citeh wasn't improving with pep after 6 months, Liverpool fans wanted useless klopp out because he couldn't organise his defence and solskjar has turned utd into the best team in the league in 5 games. Lol.

12 Jan 2019 20:45:55
Hopefully Dick will turn it around too mate but so far it's business as usual at Arsenal with absolutely no sign of anything changing for the better, the future no one knows but the reality is as we stand it's same old same old with a different manager.

{Ed002's Note - Well, as I said he was never the first choice coach and I was certainly unconvinced by him. But keep in mind there have been a lot of expensive changes made over the past year and that cannot be sustained without finding the spaces in the squad and the money through sales. If they cannot get the players they want they have to make knee jerk purchases or wait.}

12 Jan 2019 20:58:23
Ed 02, i agree, Rome wasnt built in a day and arsenal won't go from 6th to challenging top 4 in a couple of months. What i don't get is though, how did he win all those europa league trophies and why on earth did PSG think he was good enough for them, if he isn't a good coach.

12 Jan 2019 21:54:19
Hi Ed002 hope you good mate. Out of curiosity who was arsenal's first choice coach? Didn't Gazidis say that Unai was the unanimous choice?

{Ed002's Note - I dealt with this at the time.}

12 Jan 2019 22:08:59
It's not about what Dick has or hasn't done before Steve it's about what he has and does do at Arsenal.
So far change has proved underwhelming to say the least mate with little to no improvement anywhere and defensively where as awful as before he arrived.
I don't think anyone expected instant transformation but there is no sign of improving to be seen and that's worrying mate even you must be disappointed?

12 Jan 2019 22:13:37
Do You mind reminding me ED please? I don't remember you mentioning that bit of info. Why did the club say Emery was the first choice then?

{Ed0333's Note - i was referencing many a conversation we both had about how Nagelsmann would be a good fit for you guys. I remember both of us eulogizing about him. As I recollect I made no mention of the Arsenal hierarchy talking to Nagelsmann about the Arsenal job.

12 Jan 2019 22:23:27
Yes i rememmber me and you having that discussion. I thought you meant Emery wasn't the first choice for the Arsenal board. Was he the unanimous choice or is it true that he was picked because he was willing to work with what he had as oppossed to the likes of allegri who wanted money?

{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

12 Jan 2019 22:26:57
Nevertheless it was a shocking decison by the Arsenal board not to talk to nagelsmann. He is a miracle worker. The same can't be said of Emery. He couldn't achieve anything with that PSG in Europe with all their money, what will he achieve with Arsenal that is stripped of cash? I never saw the logic in hiring him.

13 Jan 2019 00:12:09
Punani, do enlighten me on this miracle worker who has a win % of 43 at Leipzig and has won what in his career. Not knocking him just saying he would be a massive risk.

13 Jan 2019 01:12:11
Sorry, if the post comes up on nagelsman, i meant Hoffenheim.

13 Jan 2019 10:46:53
Nagelsmann is still a very young coach but what he has done at hoffenheim is exceptional. He is one of the few coaches who actually improves players. He took a relegation team into the top four in bundesliga in his first full season. In his second season, he finished above teams like borrusia and leverkusen that had far better players. THe only reason they were above leverkusen and dortumund was due to the quality of the coach. His training sessions are revolutionary.

Since it was clear that Arsenal is not a team that is willing to spend, it was my opinion that coaches that are tactically astute and known to punch above their weight like tuchel, pochettino or nagelsmann and ones who have a history of improving players where we get to perhaps buy them, improve them and then sell them for profit, are more suited to Arsenal than a luis enrique or a unai Emery.

The ideal scenario is where we get an A list manager, very proven like an allegri and give him money to spend but there is no way that is happening under kroenke. Best we can hope for is coach who can punch above his weight or kroenke sells the club and we get an owner who is willing to invest.

13 Jan 2019 11:34:27
I don't get it Punani, emery was doing similar things to that before he went to psg. Nagelsman, Smagelsman or ever would need time at arsenal. i'm sorry improving a team in the bundesleague where there is only two top teams at best that would survive in the prem, is totally different to getting an Arsenal team to challenge fpr a title. The speculation about wether he could do a better job is just that, speculation. Give our guy a chance and a bit of bloody credit. He isn't a mug at all.

12 Jan 2019 14:41:40
Not great today, xhaka, what can i say, why did we get lumbered with that pile of cow shizzle. Something not right up top today, auba and lacca not on it and iwobi, well just not good enough. The front two just weren't on the case today, chance was there to do something but they weren't sharpe enough or hungry enough. Every player seemed to be playing within themselves today, with the exception of Socratis and Gouendouzi. Not enough urgency.

12 Jan 2019 15:23:12
I can 6th place again I’m afraid, momentum lost.

12 Jan 2019 15:21:52
what are in earth are u talking about? Stop scapegoating Iwobi, he was our best player on the field and gave 100%. Aubameyang and Laca were awful today, sometimes you can blame them you know?

12 Jan 2019 16:13:45
DG, what did he do? How many goals did he score? how many chances did he create? Not good enough. How long has he been an attacker for arsenal ans what doesxhe actually acieve. He is there to make and score goals and they are like rocking horse rubbish!

12 Jan 2019 16:14:37
And D G i did blame them if you read.

12 Jan 2019 16:20:14
DG, can't deny he gave 100% but that's not always enough. The guy isn't good enough, he doesn't produce.

12 Jan 2019 16:23:33
PEA has been poor for a while - terrible at one on ones while getting deflected goals and off the shin goals to cover up his poor lazy ass performances. He’s bloody lazy - makes Ozil look like a work horse.

12 Jan 2019 16:30:10
Steve, it was embarrassing today and he hasn’t made enough changes / progress. He would be sacked if st Chelsea or Utd or City.

Defence - too easily beaten with simple balls over the top. Any idiot can see this but between Bold and Emery - nothing has changed.
Attack looks blunt.
So we are worse in attack and just as bad in defence. The Hammers strolled to an easy win. Board need to kick his ass, set expectations, take a hit on some poor players and invest in youth with a tactical coach.

I have my doubts about the combination of Emery and the Club - but early to tell but I’m entitled to make a judgement on our “progress”.

12 Jan 2019 16:31:54
We seemed to slow out of defence.

12 Jan 2019 16:53:28
While I respect everyone opinion, for me, iwobi on the whole gave a performance above everyone else that are supposed to be game changers. Yes, he might not of scored and misplaced couple of chances, but he never stopped. He showed, tracked back, and ran at the hammers while a lot of others passed sideways. He isn't and won't ever be a world beater, but I'll accept his commitment over others that couldn't even spell the word. He has more average games than best games, but always gives it best. Give me another 10 in an arsenal shirt. 6mths into dicks reign, most wanted change, for those that wanted it, you got it, so please give it time. One/ two transfer windows won't solve everything. We wanted spirit and fight. well we're showing that more than in previous seasons, now we'll hopefully dabble with the personnel. Lots of worse rubbish going on than a traditional period at a club. Perspective 👍
You're all legends and entitled to your opinion tho. coyg.

12 Jan 2019 16:55:05
Who keeps picking Xhaka and Iwobi Steve? It's not Arsene now he left last season, it's up to Dick who he picks but equally he takes the applause or the stick for the team ye sends out.
Arsene fans kept blaming the naughty stadium for all Arsenes mistakes it's no good just swapping management for different excuses.
Dick did not buy Xhaka but he has stated him each and every game this season as did Arsene before Dick.
No one is forcing Dicks team selection on him it's his choice so win lose or draw he's responsible just like all other managers are.

12 Jan 2019 17:00:25
Transitional 😂😂.

12 Jan 2019 17:10:35
Where was the fight today, against Pool and Spurs. that’s part of my issue.

12 Jan 2019 17:10:55
Spot on g62. End of the day, sitting on a sofa, we're all best managers in the world. We might not agree, but opinions are brilliant for different views. I'd much rather be where we are as a club, than utd's when fergie left. Ask me again this time next year and might change.

12 Jan 2019 17:29:15
Yes agree gunner but the alternative to xhaka is al ninny and with myki out and ozil ostracized, that's probably why Dicks looking for a wide player, creator. Like we say it will take a couple more windows to mould out the overated under producers.

{Ed001's Note - you have Maitland-Niles, Torreira, Guendouzi and Ramsey all capable of playing there as well as Elneny. Why are you so full of excuses for Emery? He is the one failing to coach defensive organisation, as he has done throughout his career. It is not because of Xhaka, it is because you have been sold a pup in Emery.}

12 Jan 2019 18:36:19
Steve mate its got to be said many of the things you me and others criticised Arsene for are being repeated by Dick, I don't want it to be that way and I really want Dick to be the one but we need to be honest and realistic with ourselves and accept what is rather than make the same mistake those who simply refused to see Arsenes faults made with Dick, I do think you are being to generous to a Dick mate.

12 Jan 2019 18:43:52
Ed, well said. Any FWitt that joins the club should realise we need to sort defence and centre midfield is a muppet. His tactics from day 1 have been questionable and still are. He should be held close to the flames and sort this team out. It’s worse now than before. No worries excuses and 3 windows in BS - he should have made more changes day 1 and sorted the defence.

12 Jan 2019 18:49:21
Ultimately Ed, yes he is responsible for the coaching but he isn't yet working with his wholey chosen defence yet. His record at all his previous clubs with the exception of spartak was that he usually improved that team in all departments and won trophies. Time is the secret not that he isn't capable.

{Ed001's Note - that is not true. His record at all his clubs showed his teams to be disorganised defensively and the coaching was uninspiring. What he does bring is an almost obsessive attention to detail when it comes to preparation via videos etc.

As for working with his chosen defence, that is no excuse for not improving the level of organisation. Just look at Brighton, their centre halves are crap but they are well organised and so don't look out of place in the top flight, despite Duffy being barely League 1 level.}

12 Jan 2019 19:08:55
That's the thing about being an exceptional coach/ manager it's not what players you have but what you get our of them.
Mourinho and Ole have the same players at United, no I'm not saying Ole is suddenly a top manager just saying the difference a manager can have or not as the case may be.

We don't have the billions to compensate ability so we need someone who can organise and motivated less than world class playera to a very high standard, so far that is just so not what Dick is doing.
He doesn't have a decade of service plus invincibles or a shiny stadium to hide behind so he will very soon be under real pressure from all angles unless he gives people something more than we had already had enough of before he got here.

12 Jan 2019 19:21:03
What you mean someone who accepts the conditions under which he took the job in the first place mate?
Didn't you run your own business Welsh mate? What did you expect from the people you employed
A. To do the job you hired them to do and which they freely accepted.
B. Argue with you and completely forget about what you and them agreed at the interview.
Come on mate give things a chance.

You have changed your tune in 24hrs G62 😂.

12 Jan 2019 19:31:03
Emery wasn’t out first choice or mine personally don’t think he’s good enough,

12 Jan 2019 20:03:30
Not quite the same thing Sanogo mate :-) , that was on the subject of Dick being another yes man not his ability to improve us or not as it turns out.
I stand by the fact that Dick took the job freely under the conditions agreed between him and the club, it's no good him coming to Arsenal and then complaining he doesn't have man city players or funds.
The fact is most of us who wanted change wanted change for a different approach especially defensively not simply a change of face which so far is all we seem to have got.

12 Jan 2019 20:19:03
Wether it’s point on point your tone has definitely changed. Just how I took it anyway.

12 Jan 2019 14:10:36
Hopeless and uninspiring today - 100% fail with 10 mins to go.