Arsenal Banter Archive June 12 2013
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12 Jun 2013 23:17:52
I personally would like to see Rooney and fellaini, proven premier league players which I think we need. also a cb is a must and I mean a proper unit like hummels or Santana, also has anyone seen that greizeman who plays up front for real sociedad I think he's quality.
Wolvo gooner
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Santana signed for Schalke I believe?
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13 Jun 2013 01:59:33
We will get Cavani, Arsene is looking for the top - top player and that's who it is. We have the money just need the top- top player to spend it on. Have faith.
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Greizmann does look class, he scores in big games swell
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Oh ok, shame that he's quality, hummels a good option?if we can land him, what about jagielka?
Wolvo gooner?
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13 Jun 2013 12:05:01
Dream on. He is just behind the top two players in the world along with RVp and a couple more. to score that many goals in the Italian league tells you all u need to know. Chelsea, city it Madrid will get him. Dream on mate. 53m on top if a 10-12m salary plus 3-6m in agents fees. on a four year contract that's around. 100m. km
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12 Jun 2013 23:02:23
Watched Campbell play against Mexico last night
Another year of a loan spell is ideal for him {Ed027's Note - Did he play on the wing or striker? Thanks
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Central striker w Bryan Ruiz in the hole
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How was Ruiz in the hole? Much effect? Was he penatrive?
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Played up top Ed. Looked decent, some of his teammates were awful. Movement could improve but he definitely has an eye for goal. {Ed027's Note - Cheers, maybe a loan playing as a striker would be best for all
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1404 that's a bit too strong, plus a bit too cryptic for most of us
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12 Jun 2013 22:05:28
ALL THESE PLAYERS OUT: Andrey Arshavin, Denilson, Conor Henderson, Jernade Meade, Sanchez Watt, James Shea, Reice Charles-Cook, Sead Hajrovic, Sebastien Squillaci, Sanchez Watt, Philip Roberts, Nigel Neita, Samir Bihmoutine, Nigel Oldfield Spence-Neita and Josh Rees (All released) Kyle Evecilio (Twente, undisclosed), Martin Angha (Nuremberg, undisclosed), Craig Eastmond (Colchester, free), Jordan Wynter (Bristol City, free).
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13 Jun 2013 10:57:03
Wenger did state a change if policy regarding transfers. Taking the young players out of the equation, there is some serious money coming off the wage bill. Hope that's to free it up to get in a 2/3 quality players. Definitely a forward and def midfielder. The goalkeeping needs addressing aswell as cover for the central defence. The stoke keeper sticks out, but don't think will pay that sort of money. km
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12 Jun 2013 20:00:49
Arsenal Team has never fall short of World Class but fans and Media are the ones who made the Team and Players look Ordinary through their constants negative comments.
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Great post
Perspective:
Spuds best team EVER, w 2 time PL poty worth 85m (what a joke!)
Is worse than
Our worst team in Arsene's tenure
People have no clue what world class means
Example: while we have been slating Rosicky last few seasons, Marco Reus and Mario Gotze worshipped him and copied his style of play. Look it up. They idolize him
We have no clue how good we have it sometimes
This is not a 2 team league or a 5 team continent anymore.
World class, absolutely. Always have been, always will be
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So, the fans are responsible for getting embarrassed by Birmingham, Bradford and Blackburn in recent years?
The fans ensured we got beaten 8-2 by Utd?
The fans should be reprimanded for signing the likes of Santos, Gervinho and Chamakh?
Jog on, Spud!
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Madrid lost to a team below the 1st division a couple years ago
So that team wasn't world class?
City just lost a cup final to a team who was relegated. so they are not world class?
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Personally I don't think we have had a world class team since the invincibles. If we had we wouldn't have gone so long without a trophy. The term world class is banded about far too loosely. Over time we have had world class players, Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Pires, campbell, to name a few. You only have to look at the first half of last season to conclude that our team is currently not world class.
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Sorry you are kidding yourselves if you think our team is world class. We have it much better than most clubs, yes, but we are not world class and to argue differently is just idiocy.
The Reus and Gotze thing is utterly ludicrous btw. They worshiped Rosicky when he was world class about 5 years ago, at Dortmund, the club they play/ed at. Now he is still a good player but a shadow of his former self.
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City are not world class they may have some world class players but as proven twice now they cannot compete in the cl so no they are not world class. madrid lost once to a much lesser team ther ARE still world class one defeat isn't going to changeb that, however all these defeats by lesser teams proves arsenal have work to do. there is more than enough quality to bridge te gap but truth is arsenal have been below their own standars of late and need to improve BUT in no way can the fans or even the media be blamed for their downfall.
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Our team is not world class anymore. Invincibles had probably genuine 7 WC players (which is incredible considering now teams like Man United won easily with maybe only 2). Two or three years ago we had 3 (Cesc, RVP and maybe Arshavin - and before you say he wasnt he came 5th in world player of the year).
Now we have none.
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None? You seriosly mean we have none world class players? My God you must be blind. We got Niclas Bendtner! The greatest striker that ever lived! There is a reason he is nicknamed B52 - he bombs the goalkeepers constantly. For me he is better than Henry and Bergkamp combined!
/Aros (this is not an alias for Niclas Bendtner) (really it isn't!) (honestly, I promise you this is not just Me trying to get some attention, cause I don't need it. There are 100s of clubs who want me and my special underwear)
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12 Jun 2013 19:42:39
due to wengers old links with japan, has there ever been any interest shown in Bochum's japanese player Takashi Inui? he looks a decent creative mid
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12 Jun 2013 19:28:28
I have always secretly liked Wayne Rooney and I have admitted to United fans in the past that he would be the one player from their team that I would take on Arsenal. He is an immense talent, and is a fantastic mixture of power and poise.
I would be in favour of signing him this summer, but I have a couple questions about it:
1) Would he really take such a massive pay cut to come play for us? He's on something like 250,000 a week while our top earners are just making 100,000. (Walcott and Podolski I believe)
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2) Would Arsene really break the wage structure to pay his wages? I have trouble seeing that happening.
Opinions please, and I would be curious to know what the Eds think about the Rooney story and its possibility.
Peace,
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I, like you, have always quite liked Rooney and I think he is a very talented player. And I wouldn't mind seeing him in an arsenal shirt next season. The only problems are his wages and his fitness. I don't believe arsenal would pay £200,000+ for a player who I think only has 2 or 3 years left at the top of his game. But I would want him at Arsenal
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I believe we broke our wage structure for TH14 and Sol
We used signing on fees etc to keep the "wage" within reason.
Think we did something with Fab also
Basically, I believe there are ways to get round internal wage caps plus the wage cap will be increased.
The big question is will our wage model which produces a high wage bill allow it.
I believe with the exits and new deals - the answer is yes.
Can we bridge that huge gap? I don't know.
Utd paid him that because the signing on fee from Everton had been amortised in their books so effectively his wage was like buying a star plus paying a star.
For us we actually have the initial outlay - will a player understand that when their are rich owners who splash the cash? I don't know. I would want all the money I could get in my short career but I don't know how the mind of a player/agent works.
I think we will put something tasty in front of Wayne the question is does he really want to join us and risk not competing but being the king of the castle plus staying in UK or just cash in on his talent.
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Rooney would be a great fit for Arsenal, a player with a point to prove
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12 Jun 2013 22:10:09
Henry was on 120k per week and Cesc 110k. Henry was over 7 years ago. km
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No and no IMO - I think you have highlighted exactly why Rooney won't end up at Arsenal. Also, no offence, but it could be seen as a backwards step considering the relative success of both clubs in recent years.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave (and wouldn't mind so long as we get a good replacement) but I'm expecting him to be a United player next season in all honesty.
HB (United fan)
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Henry had a huge signing on fee which basically put him at about 230k/wk
Cesc also had a solid signing on bonus
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If I had a pick in the past as you refer to I'd have had Scholes over any Utd player including Cantona, Giggs, Ronaldo or Rooney. He was quite simply the best player Utd have had in my book.
Bergkamps apprentice
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It wouldn't be a backward step HB. You've been ahead of us recently but the glaring gaps in your team have been patched over by Fergie's sheer genius and force of will. Moyes doesn't have that. I would be surprised if you get close to the title next year unless he buys exceptionally well.
That being said I think the same is true for us. City and Chelsea will be the two to beat.
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12 Jun 2013 19:12:26
hello, it's a celtic fan here. just a quick question:is wanyama went to arsenal, who would he replace or would he be able to play straight away? what do you think? I mean he's one of the best in the world on his position but what do you think are wengers plans with wanyama?
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I think with no signings in the long term it would look like this
wanyama wilshere
the ox gnarby walcott
giroud
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I think saying he is one of the best in the world on his position is a little premature don't you think? he plays in Scotland. The spl is hardly a competition where one pits themselves against the worlds best.
Barry ferguson and Boumsong where amazing up north before they were made to look ordinary in the EPL {Ed027's Note - You are all forgetting that he played in the CL
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12 Jun 2013 18:08:49
Do you think Messi will be the only player from Barca up on tax fraud. I doubt it come on Fab get back to Arsenal before your arrested.
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Lol the media was told before they put charges against him. something is fishy. anyway, I can imagine ronaldo, ordering this massive showcase cabinet, for the next 3 trophys, and day dreaming about the life without messi.
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12 Jun 2013 17:40:12
CB on the rise, Stefan Strandberg.
Captain of the Norwegian U21 team. Why not put in a bid for him? Young, good, and rather cheap. Is a regular for Rosenborg in Eliteserien. Would be a good back-up player.
Norways U21 team are doing very well in the Euros. Beat England, and draw against Italy after a mistake by the Norwegian goalkeeper in the 93th minute. Will be playing Spain or the Netherlands in the semi-final.
I think the striker we are getting will be Wilfried Bony. Forget the 25+ mill. players we are linked with, it is never going to happen.
I also believe Wanyama will be comming.
A couple of surprise signings will happen too, Wenger loves too surprise us.
Looking forward to next season.
Norwegian Gunner
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12 Jun 2013 17:19:19
Would anyone take Cisse from from Newcastle? Of course we still all want to see players like Higuain at Arsenal ( Which i'm sure will happen in the coming weeks)
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No I haven't seen enough if we were going for someone around the price bracket hernandez would be for me
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12 Jun 2013 15:37:06
I've been following the transfer "sagas" on here for the past few days now with great interest and fancied sharing my thoughts.
Barca signed Neymar from under the noses of Madrid who are obviously smarting from it. Madrid will now need to match them with a big name signing and Perez has said he would have no problem breaking the transfer record as these players make the club back the cash in the long run. Bale, Cavani and Suarez are the 3 "marquee" men on the short list.
As everybody knows Cavani is the most likely player to be leaving his club of the three and apparently Chelsea had an offer of 30m + Torres rejected by Napoli as they are confident of getting close to his release clause. Benitez has also a preference for bringing in Edin Dzeko.
Imo Cavani will go to city (bigger money + Dzeko), bale will give spurs one more season and Madrid will sign Suarez or make a late attempt to take lewandowski from Dortmund. At this point Higuain is a name needed off the books and Madrid will accept lower offers.
Juventus have been linked to absolutely everybody with a number 9 on their back this summer but it seems that their eyes are bigger than their pockets and all they are doing is rocking the boat for the serious bidders (US!) Its absolute bull that we have to wait for the Old Lady to make up her mind which one of our summer targets she wants the most, before we go for the other but that's what happens when your clubs board is happy settle for fourth every season; your clubs losses some rep in the eyes of the footballing world and players see greener pastures elsewhere.
I think Juve will win the Higuain war (Argentineans' seem to prefer Spain or Italy); Jovetic will not leave as Fiorentina are not keen on selling him anyway which leaves us fighting Chelsea for Wayne Rooney.
There would be a certain poetic justice for Rooney to come to Arsenal and spearhead our push back to the pinnacle of British Football after RVP and I think that's what gives us the edge over cheslki.
I know a lot of Arsenal fans can't see it happening but I think that Wayne Rooney is possibly our most likely acquisition of the three big name strikers mentioned. He will get the money, the main man status and played in his favourite position
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I tend to agree with you if we make a marquee signing I think it will be Rooney, but all the others Higuan, Bender, Jovetic and Fellaini, I just can't see it. The reason I think it could be Rooney is we are obviously trying to reduce our wage bill for many reasons and also AW saying a few backs the problem was do you spend your transfer kitty on several players or put it all on one horse, (was he dropping hints?)
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I'm sure Malaga said this but I my self really see us going for lewandoeski if we don't get higuain, same price as rooney less wages younger and right know the best number 9 [debatable] in the world
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12 Jun 2013 14:35:21
Arsenal are interested in Benfica full-back Lorenzo Melgarejo, according to his agent. Frustrated if that is the case, of all positions, that really is not an area we need to improve {Ed027's Note - If Sagna leaves, then it is, or is he a left back? If so I agree
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He's a LB, I have no idea what this signing would mean
Guaranteed Suarez from Anderlecht scenario where agent is hyping the player and Arsenal is an attractive name for young players
And we all know the entire continent looks very closely when we scout a young player
I expect him to be a Spud, a Red, or a blue, and probably a person. very soon {Ed027's Note - It'll be pretty silly if we sign another LB
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Agree with you US but there again wouldn't it have been nice for Arsene to have made that mistake a few years ago and signed 'another' LB when offered. a certain G Bale?
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Yes because unlike spurs who are holding out for a world record bid. with wenger, you throw 35 mill and he would snap your hand off, like a racoon, eyeing up a cheese cracker.
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12 Jun 2013 12:04:49
Hi ed's, do Arsenal still have any interest in Nani? Read on espn that man united rejected a €7m (£6m) bid from galatasary as they are looking for more like €10m (£8.5m). would he be worth a bid from us? Cheers {Ed027's Note - I don't think so, we would of done something, and yes in my eyes, sell gervinho for that amount and bring in Nani
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12 Jun 2013 13:23:19
Fabregas has been told its down to him if he wants to stay at Barcelona.
This means the ball is in arsense's court. If we make an offer its likely he will come back
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Actually, it's in Barca's court because he said he wants to stay at Barca.
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Doesnt it mean that the ball is in Fabregas's court?
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Cesception.
He said he will stay at Barcelona unless they force him out.
If they are giving him the option to stay then he is staying.
He wants to play more in a WC year and be closer to family but wants to stay at Barcelona. Maybe a loan would be most feasible?
That said, Barcelona are reshuffling their squad so I assume they will want the money or keep him. No reason to loan out a world class player.
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Maybe there are three courts and the ball is in every ones court happy, good
Bergkamp5353
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Cesc said on Spanish radio only recently (at the w/e) that being at barca is living the dream for him and he is happy to be there unless the club want him to go.
So, it's down to barca- if they want him, he will stay simple as that.
But. IF they are saying it's down to you cesc, then based on what cesc said himself he will then choose to stay.
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12 Jun 2013 12:59:25
I’ve been following the transfer “sagas” on here for the past few days now with great interest and fancied sharing my thoughts.
Barca signed Neymar from under the noses of Madrid who are obviously smarting from it. Madrid will now need to match them with a big name signing and Perez has said he would have no problem breaking the transfer record as these players make the club back the cash in the long run. Bale, Cavani and Suarez are the 3 “marquee” men on the short list.
As everybody knows Cavani is the most likely player to be leaving his club of the three and apparently Chelsea had an offer of 30m + Torres rejected by Napoli as they are confident of getting close to his release clause. Benitez has also a preference for bringing in Edin Dzeko.
Imo Cavani will go to city (bigger money + Dzeko), bale will give spurs one more season and Madrid will sign Suarez or make a late attempt to take lewandowski from Dortmund. At this point Higuain is a name needed off the books and Madrid will accept lower offers.
Juventus have been linked to absolutely everybody with a number 9 on their back this summer but it seems that their eyes are bigger than their pockets and all they are doing is rocking the boat for the serious bidders (US!) Its absolute bull that we have to wait for the Old Lady to make up her mind which one of our summer targets she wants the most, before we go for the other but that’s what happens when your clubs board is happy settle for fourth every season; your clubs losses some rep in the eyes of the footballing world and players see greener pastures elsewhere.
I think Juve will win the Higuain war (Argentineans’ seem to prefer Spain or Italy); Jovetic will not leave as Fiorentina are not keen on selling him anyway which leaves us fighting Chelsea for Wayne Rooney.
There would be a certain poetic justice for Rooney to come to Arsenal and spearhead our push back to the pinnacle of British Football after RVP and I think that’s what gives us the edge over cheslki.
I know a lot of Arsenal fans can’t see it happening but I think that Wayne Rooney is possibly our most likely acquisition of the three big name strikers mentioned.
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I was following the logic up until 'poetic justice gives us the edge'. That's not realistic.
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I agree with most of what you have said. But I have to disagree with what you said about Rooney being our most likely big name striker signing. I don't see this as realistic because Rooney wants £200,000+ a week and even though we have said we COULD do this now doesn't mean that we will. I believe that Higuain is the most likely to sign for us this summer
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12 Jun 2013 11:11:01
talking to a scout of wengers in israel last night whos at the under21 champs casting his eye as he told me. he believes many young players will be brought in for the youths many dutch and some german players being looked at. he had very little info on the 1st team only that eisfeild will make the step up to the 1st team this year and no attacking mid will be purchased unless carzola gets his wish to join pelligrini at city who will double his money.
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It is not Cazorla's wish to join City. And I highly doubt that you were talking to a scout.
I presume the 'mc' in your sign-off stand for Manchester City.
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Its CaZORLA, and I can't tell you strongly enough how frustrating it is to hear a name (especially his name, as so many people are inept at saying it correctly) said wrong.
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Hi ed's although it hopefully won't happen would we get 25 million plus for cazorla? Thanks
Bergkamp5353 {Ed027's Note - Definitely
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This has no, zero, zip, zilch chance of happening. Santi Cazorla is very happy at Arsenal, he is not interested in leaving. That is the end of the matter.
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12 Jun 2013 10:54:43
Hi Gunners. If wishes were horses, who would you pick?
Cesar vs Begovic
Gundogan vs Fabregas
Di Maria vs Grenier
Hummels vs Subotic
Higuain vs Rooney
Piszczek vs Richards
would never get all of these, but would be good quality to choose from for different positions
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Begovic (much less error prone)
Fabregas (would never leave again)
Di Maria (miles better, true winger)
Subotic (more reliable)
Higuain (pure finisher)
Piszczek (less injury prone)
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Begovic
Fabregas
Di Maria
Hummels
Higuain
Richards
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Sorry forgot my reasons
cesar vs begovic - both are good signings begovic would be better value and therefore possibly what the board might go for. we'd get cesar for cheap, how much would he 'go for' after that?
Gundogan vs Fabregas - gundogan is a brilliant CDM but cesc dances in the midfield in the prem. also have chosen hummels for the CDM role
Di Maria vs Grenier - di maria is good but quite young still and would need a first team place, displacing some of our possible youth players, grenier would add a good quality and interchange with some of the younger players as he is young aswell
Hummels vs Subotic - I think our CB's are fine, tv5 dropped form but kos and mert are doing fine. we need a decent CDM more and I see that in hummels. he could fill in at cb if it came to it.
Higuain vs Rooney - not sure rooney suits our style, and if we did buy him i'd feel like we've done a swap deal with utd, but they kept both players for a season. higuain's skill is unquestionable.
Piszczek vs Richards - don't rate richards that highly, think piszczek wipes the floor with him.
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Cesar
Fabregas
Grenier
Hummels
Higuain
Piszczek
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Begovic, Fabregas, Di Maria, Hummels, Higuain, Richards
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Begovic
Gundogan (As much as it hurts me)
Di Maria
Rooney
Piszczek
HP
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Begovic
Fabregas
Grenier
Subotic
Higuain
Piszczek
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Cesar, sczeny will be as good as Cech
Fabregas he's captain fantastic, more loyal then the red scum
di maria, classy player
subotic, more suited to the prem, plus
in champs final
rooney, revenge
pizchek, richards gets teared apart by world class players
Bergkamp5353
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Can I ask why people are saying Subotic is suited to the PL? They do know he is almost as slow as BFG and doesn't read the game as well to compensate. He is a good defender but he'd be caught out over here.
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12 Jun 2013 09:52:53
Nani 8.5 mill snap him up wenger much better than Gervinho
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I was thinking the same thing this morning, most wouldn't want Nani but if I had the choice of him coming on or Gerv it would be Nani everytime
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I would start nani just let him get some confidence back and on his day he is a good player and can change a game in seconds
Ali
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Both are equally rubbish on their day. a bench player needs to be impact. all heart. all out glory. not some lazy player who wants to be a starter but not good enough. rather have a player who knows he's not top 11, but sure as hell makes it tough to look at anyone else as no 12.
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12 Jun 2013 09:47:47
Seems to have gone very quiet since the season ticket deadline has passed. Same as season past.
Essexgooner
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Yeah, was annoying when we signed Cazorla in late June last season?
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12 Jun 2013 09:32:15
Anyone know much about Douglas? Seems like a good, young cb who is available on a free. Would be a great 4th choice cb for me.
Anhowa
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Douglas is currently the best cb in holland he's surely worth a punt
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12 Jun 2013 08:46:30
Nani & Rooney are on the way out of Manchester United (Arsen is ready & waiting)
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There is no chance arsene wants nani. every year he has regressed. at this point in time, him and gervinho are about the same level.
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12 Jun 2013 08:19:01
£8.5 million for Nani reportedly
Take a chance?
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12 Jun 2013 07:34:07
Just like to say well said to US Gooner. I get as frustrated as anyone when players get injured but it is wrong to turn on them for their injuries. except when they s** off to Man U as soon as they are strong enough that is!
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12 Jun 2013 06:28:31
Wanyama. Yep Arsene would definitely want him, he is cheap! and if he is cheap then our Arsene is the man. Next thing we will be reading is Arsenal scouts have been trolling Sunday league matches for players for next season and charging them subs every week. Ha ha
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Players price not always reflects his abilitys just look santi. When IG said that we have money and we will compete, he didn't say we will buy expensive players. That 70mil "war chest" means only that Arsene will go for his prime target, he won't be forced to buy second choices. If Wanyama is his prime target, then Wanyama will be a beast for us next season 100%.
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12 Jun 2013 00:52:26
Just watched a vermaelin video on you tube kinda forgot after his poor form this season how good he is when he is on his game. Have to keep him at the club immense player Just thought I'd share.
Cant sleep and watching vid after vid of arsenal hope wenger is going to spend could do with another invincible team.
One thing that struck me was how much our passing style has changed we ain't as free flowing as we once were I'm even only going back a few years our quick snappy passing seems to have left us just a thought enough of my ramblings back to counting sheep.
At least it's counting them I am and not trying to sh. That's it I'm losing my mind with insomnia I'm out
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