22 Feb 2013 21:49:42
1) and life continues. despite being torn apart by bayern I actually respected and loved how bayern did it. that s what arsenal lack. playing together for each other. when bayern defend they do it as a team. when they attack they do it as a team.
2) I do believe that we have a lot of quality in the team. just lucking in three major areas
a) a quality GK. let's be honest scz is a good goalkeeper right now and will be great in the future. he doesn't have any competition hence his performances have gone down in recent times. best choice MIGNOLET
B) A DEFENSIVE MID. mikel arteta has given his all and has done pretty well. but what we need is an imposing no nonsense kind of person that doesn't know what attacking means. but will always be good on the ball when in possesion. I actually believe with good protection verm and kos will be a cb pairing.
c) a striker. and no not just a striker a finisher a ruud van type of striker. we have enough of strikers that need 7 chances just to score 1. e.g giroud. chamakh. bendtner. with all the chances we get sm1 like cavani and we good to go.
anyway fellow gunners a 3-1 (my actual prediction is 3-0 but since we MUST concede then 3-1 it is)win tommorrow and confidence starts cropping up the team and fans.
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22 Feb 2013 18:44:40
hey eds, is there any reason why my post about the Arsenal finances didn't get through since yesterday?
the first one had a lot of links to articles so it might've been filtered out, but I removed them from the one today.
i get it if it's the subject matter that's being avoided, but I was just curious as to why it didn't get through. anyways, keep up the great work, mates. {Ed027's Note - i'm not quite sure where it's got to, i reckon the first one would of been removed becasue of the links.
22 Feb 2013 18:20:00
Hello Ed any fellow Gooners just seen Champagne Charlie, s earlier post about if we were to lose tomorrow should AW be sacked, most certainly yes without a shadow of a doubt. In reality would he be, I very much doubt it. What I would like to see tomorrow is a more solid 4-4-2 with Poldi up front with Rosicky starting, Jenko at right back and even Eisfeld on the bench.
Thanks for the site Ed {Ed027's Note - No problem mate, it's the posters who make the site work, so thank you.}
Heybridge I agree but Jenko is suspended and probably wouldn't start anyway :/
Jenkinson has already served his ban and will be available tomorrow
Other posts will tell you I already have been made aware that might be wrong :D
22 Feb 2013 17:50:02
"22 Feb 2013 11:15:18
I got to say that for the first time I'm ashamed to be an Arsenal fan. I think we have worst fans in the Premier league. Embarrassing guys!"
Agreed. Like YOU. You are naive and so embarrassing because you can't see the wood for the trees mate.
The powers that be at Arsenal PLC are killing the club by trying to stand still and just achieve the basic 4th place to pull in as much money as possible.
On top of this Status Quo they continue to sell the best players to our close rivals, again to make them more money, because it certainly isn't reinvested. AW is at the heart of this and actually enjoys the challenge of dragging a worsening (cheaper) team through the season year after year; seeing how much more he can get away with each time.
We've been lucky for 3-5 years, the next two years really will see Arsenal either:
Return to challenging for the Premier League and minimum Semi Finals of every cup, where 4th place is considered a failure
or
Overtaken by any team that shows the ambition to do so, and Champion League is just a memory like the invincibles
Oh, and have you ever been to a game and seen our fans? We are not fickle. We have underperformed for 7 years, yet we pay a fortune and sing our hearts out, it has just got to the point where enough is enough, and then we are labelled as a disgrace? You want to check out Stamford Bridge pal.
I want my winning Arsenal back.
redgoon
22 Feb 2013 21:42:33
Weve got the best away fans in the premier league. when u sit at the emirates you have got 40000 people that moan at you because u swear. And u never sit with your mates because the club put u next to a 10 year old and 80 year old, so don't give it all that s. t about we've got the worst fans. why can't u say we've got the worst team that's a waste of money to watch then?
I think redgoon would be in agreement with the first reply. no?
22 Feb 2013 17:41:04
why does;nt wenger come out and publicly say the 1st team squad are fighting for their arsenal careers.
if its not his tack ticks that are the problem it has to be the players.
lets see do they have the fight for the rest of the season.
quality players do not start the game slow they play for the whistle. this is why we love jw10.
i thought wenger got away with it in the press this week, the murder in south africa was the story of the last 7 days.
the club was the 2nd most reported thing on sky sport for the last 7 days and it has all been bad news.
i think the club has treated the fans badly again.
if there is money to be spent in the summer they have to come out and say it is going to be spent.
stan kroenke needs to come out and tell the supporter what is going on.
i just want answers.
we have to win tomorrow
3-1
i think we need a captains performance so I will go with jw10 to score the 1st goal.
i hate to think what the atmosphere will be like if we loose.
hope you all have a good weekend.
Charlie, what are tack ticks? Are they a bit like tic tacs?
AJH
I can't work out if you're a smart four year old or an incredibly stupid thirty year old.
22 Feb 2013 17:06:30
K this is not an I support wenger or I don't post. But would the fans on this forum prefer.
A. Usmanov to come in the summer pump loads of money in to the club and start building a team to compete for the title next year. maybe win the fa cup next year and the fa cup and capital one cup the following year and be constantly challenging for the title winning it a few times over the years. But putting the club in debt to achieve this trying to pay wages and so on.
B. we qualify for cl again this year start building this summer with quality signings challenge next year finish whatever second or third win nothing.
The following summer do the exact same buy some quality challenge again finish the same second or third but no trophy and start winning the same from then on as option A. But all money made by arsenal football club.
Look forward to hearing opinions
Dave 6
22 Feb 2013 17:39:21
I don't think there is any requirement to pump loads of money into the club. It has the money now to buy the quality we need.
The manager has to spend it on the right players for the right positions and get them playing as we used too.
We've got a strong core tied down to long term deals, most of which are playing at or extremely near their peak. what we need is investment with longevity. the current squad need much needed additions- not necessarily superstars, but quality signings that're fit to wear the badge.
the club still has money without falling into debt for at least 2-3 season despite 80-100 million spendings
i'd personally prefer it if we win things without a sugar-daddy or megalomaniac in power.
22 Feb 2013 16:57:47
So, the season is all but over, all we have left to HOPE for is a top 4 finish, if that does not materalise, then what?higher prices for an under achieveing team to watch, same old excuses, when will it end?its been going on for 8 seasons, make no mistake next season will be the same as this one, and maybe without champions league football, so we will be reduced to playing Thurs&Sunday, no big sky games in mid week, no C, L. money, no more C, L. away games, the share holders are making money, while the supporters suffer, very brave decisions need to be addressed, at the end of this fruitless campaighn, but the board has us locked out, and there puppy Wenger gets away with it. Angry as hell south Gooner
22 Feb 2013 16:52:23
why does wenger even answer questions about money to do with the club.
what does it have to do with him.
he is employed to be a football manager.
why don't we just employ david gill and stick him on the bench.
wenger do the job your paid for and nothing else.
22 Feb 2013 16:23:57
just watching Arteta's interview and funny thing that he mentions about Arsene's approach, ". he relies on the player's character and beliefs of how they need to handle a situation but as well as straightforward in what he has to say. "
explains why our players seem clueless when teams shut up shop and sit back to defend.
22 Feb 2013 15:32:39
tomorrows game will be typical arsenal either we will wupp villa 6 or 7 nil or we lose 1 nil - nobody knows what arsenal will turn up either way its too late wenger should walk the plank at the end of the season- we need a fresh start and the mentality needs to change
GS
22 Feb 2013 14:52:18
3-0 against Bayern away. am I deluded to think we can actually do this? {Ed027's Note - i go to sleep thinking we can win 4-2 and go through
Even in Ed027's dreams arsenal still can't keep a clean sheet! {Ed027's Note - thats one thing we can all agree on
There is a full 90 to play yet lads we have to believe we can do it. they say it ain't over till the fat lady sings well she is sat at the table still eating her chips and gravy not even thinking bout bursting in to song yet.
Love this club COYG
Dave 6
I wouldn't say deluded. I do think there's more chance of me wining euro millions tonight than arsenal keeping a clean sheet in Munich.
We will win 3-1 then it can go either way in ET
Well Paul I covered all bases and bought myself some scratch cards haha! As long as one wins I'll be happy. Arsenal or the cards that is.
22 Feb 2013 14:46:17
Ok looking to tomorrow - we need a big home win! Obviously I will take a tidy, disciplined 1-0 but obviously a big win is more desirable!
Considering the opposition, the games we've played, and performances, I would like to see Mannone play. Then I would have thought this was a perfect game for Jenko but he's banned. Coquelin or Yennaris at RB. I just don't think Sagna is giving anywhere near what he is capable of and the fact that his best game all season came as a CB says it all.
So Mannone, Coquelin, Mertesacker, Koscielny and Monreal as the back five would be good. Vermaelen needs to get his head sorted out. He can always come on if one of the defence is having a shocker.
Then in midfield I would have Diaby starting as an out and out DM. Ahead of him I would have Jack in the middle, Rosicky wide left, Santi ACM, Theo wide right and Giroud up top.
From there you can make sensible subs based on performance. You can bring Ramsey on and an attacking mid off to protect a lead. Or to swap for Diaby if he's poor. You can rest a mid and bring on Arteta if we're doing well. We can rest Theo or replace him with the Ox. We can do the same for Giroud and Podolski.
This is the sort of first team with rotation options I would like to see more of. We start with a DM. We have a midfield that glides through the opponents and we have a big guy to aim for, with Theo on the pitch too. We have an insurance policy with Podolksi. We can bring him on instead of Giroud, Instead of Theo, or instead of Rosicky and play him wide left. But what we would have is the basis for an attack and options to rectify any issues, as well as options to rest our best players.
Thoughts?
1-nil to the Arsenal. that's been my motto all season.
Dunno bout mannone. We need to win this one! The rest is A O. K. that team, droppin rosicky for prince poldi, is the one that should've lined up 'gainst bayern. the back 5 obviously not. Your right bout tommy v. sumtin's up with him.
Typical me I missed a player.
22 Feb 2013 17:37:15
Jenks has served his 1 match ban v Blackburn
22 Feb 2013 15:42:57
Lol guys check out this look a like
this actor from the show Psych his name is James Roday
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/14700000/James-Roday-Comic-Con-psych-14731657-500-300.jpg
looks like a certain striker we all know
I always say that when I watch the show!
22 Feb 2013 14:35:46
Anyone else realise the importance of keeping Wenger? Without him we would be on a level with the likes of Liverpool and Everton. Where as he would be instantly flooded with job offers from Madrid and Paris to name a few.
The media need to get off his back and so us fans. The good times will come back and I hope Wenger is our manager in 10 years time.
So does my Spud mate.
We are on par with Everton & Liverpool, with him! that's the problem. We are no longer competing with the the likes of Man U, Man C & Chelsea.
Really Arsence? are you just trolling for AFC?
You don't think another manager could have done better with our squad in the last 4 seasons?
Or bought better players?
Or deployed better tactics?
Or motivated the squad better?
Or persuaded better players to stay and deadwood to leave?
I think you're deluded.
redgoon
22 Feb 2013 14:35:39
Begovic Stoke
Amorbietta looks likely
Replace Sagna with VDWeil at PSG (possible swap deal)
Sakho PSG
Capoue Tolouse
Gotze Dortmund
Jovetic Fiorentina
Not a bad way to blow the transfer budget
N. Wales Gunner
Gotze and jovetic would blow the make-believe transfer budget on their own. add begovic and capoue to it, and your looking at 100m +
22 Feb 2013 14:29:06
My Spud mate (care in the community project) asked me a tough question as an Arsenal fan:
Would I take the coveted 4th place league finish, if it meant the spurs won the Europa League?
I said NO, I would hate him bragging about a title won during our infamous drought period (and a European title at that). I'd rather they got the spot in the Champs Lge where they probably have less chance of winning it than Arsenal.
Then he reminded me: Bale stays if the spurs get 4th place, whereas the Europa Lge title (and no CL football) would likely see Bale gone. not to mention Arsenal would be even less productive in the summer with no CL footie (and I don't think this will force the regime change most of us want - can imagine the PR: "AW is the best man for the job of getting us back to where we belong in the CL. The last 15 years have proven that. blah blah blah).
So I changed my mind. Arsenal need to take 4th over the Spuds, even if it meant they won a cup before us. If it meant their only star player left, there is no way they could sustain being above us, short term pain and all that.
Spuds winning EL AND getting 4th isn't even something I can contemplate it is so nightmarish!
Still, hopefully Inter Milan get their revenge, and Arsenal can get their $hit together and overtake those pretenders (the more likely result IMO)
gun44
Of course I would. I am not concerned about Tottenham, other than to finish above them in a top 4 position.
We can always finish 3rd
watford gooner
22 Feb 2013 13:42:17
For those fellow Arsenal fans, that still back Wenger, could they please explain how he is going to get us back competing, bearing in mind his recent methods & refusal to have a net transfer spend.
WHy not all the 'against' telling the rest of us why that would bring success and how it would bring success and bear in mind any manager you choose would also have to agree a deal. I've just seen a post where it was inferred all wee needed to do was buy the most expensive available 7 players on the planet. beats me why we're not all earning 5mill a year as managers - it's bloody easy!
exiled clock ender
22 Feb 2013 13:26:42
Someone below has stated that this weekend's match against Villa is the "most important for years", and that we "need to get behind Wenger and the team to finish 4th".
The same was said prior to Bradford, Man City, Liverpool, Blackburn, and Bayern Munich. Unbelievable we couldn't win any of these massive games.
Next weeks derby with the spurs will no doubt be "the biggest game in years" again.
This is a joke right? The reason every single match is billed as being the "most important in years" is because this is what WENGER has done to us.
Bradford and Blackburn should never have been stumbling blocks on the way to cup finals - this is only the case because WENGER has dropped our standards and expectations so low with constant dissappointments.
Man City, Liverpool and Bayern at home are the games we should wish for every week - Arsenal vs the best the world had to offer. But instead Wenger has made us so bad that we are scared of what Aston Villa might bring at us, let alone the elite clubs.
And the spurs should not be within a sniff of the CL this season, they are weaker than last year FFS with a load of new players bedding in, old players now a year older, no real surprises to their play and the fear of their only true star bailing on them at the end of the year regardless of what happens.
But WENGER has allowed this to happen with his complacency in all areas of the club. And if Bale gets sold, the spurs drop back again, making top4 easier again, and Wenger continues with this average crap.
A struggling Aston Villa at home WTF
22 Feb 2013 13:17:06
Arsenal have only scored one goal fewer (50) than they had at this point of their ‘Invincibles’ season of 2003-04
Its how many have been conceded defence is the problem as has been mentioned on here many times
dave
Sorry mate the timing is too bad.
Also when you mention stat make sure you mention completely and not just the things you like. Just look at the goals scored against us.
That season we had ZERO defeats.
Its good to be optimistic but better not be foolish
Also our goals scored this season is distorted by the games such as reading and Newcastle where we have decimated sides. Ignoring plenty of games where we couldn't find the back of the net (Sunderland and stoke at the start of the season, and villa more recently spring to mind). Far too often we were unable to break down a stern defence where lesser teams put 10men behind the ball. Or perhaps more alarmingly can't get any chance or shots on target against the top sides. This was something the invincibles were able to do and win 1-0 or at least grab a draw against the likes of united
Anhowa
22 Feb 2013 13:13:47
in my opinion every game now a days is a crisis game.
i have a question for every 1
if we loose to aston villa on saturday should wenger be sacked.
I do not believe the manager should be sacked during the season unless we are facing relegation. Never. I believe once you have chosen your outline for the manager and the season's targets, the manager should be given the season to achieve it. Only if it becomes unachievable by a certain point way too early should a manager be sacked. If someone were to say what about the league then, why wasn't Arsene sacked back in September? I would say because we never intended on winning the league.
If we lose on Sat, I will still feel Wenger should go at the end of the season.
CC by any means, are you planning to apply for the arsenal manager job and hoping that it is vacated soon.
We will NOT lose to Villa
5-1 win, simple.
337
The reason Wenger will not leave is, no top or elite club wants him, an 8 year blot on his C, V. has seen to that, and who suffered not him not the board not the backroom and playing saff, no us the supporters, and if he was to go. what state would the new manager find he has to deal with, remember one thing 8 years and counting, no way will Wnger put together a trophy winning team by next season. South Gooner.
Rubbish- If Wenger Leaves he will be hunted by a host of top clubs wanting to pay him a fortune- we have been extraordinarily lucky to have watched the arse through this period. I have been watching them since 1956 and believe me 8 yrs during which time we were continually in the top 4 and better- on several occasions but for some grusesome injuries we could easily have one 3 more titles and a couple more cups - is nothing. we used to be continually between 6th and 10th!!
Think we all know that he won't get the sack if we lose. And like metal said I don't hint he should mid season
22 Feb 2013 13:11:21
Hi Ed's
From your recent postings you are obviously expecting a 'Boardroom revolution' in the next 20 months, I assume to coincide with Wenger's contract running out. Could you please update us what you think the 'New Look ' arsenal structure could be.
Many thanks
Colchester gooner {Ed002's Note - Not somewhere we are going now - the levels of grief are not worth it.}
Do you mean the grief you get after you give us info?
22 Feb 2013 14:28:02
I'm guessing the amount of ridiculous grief Ed02 has been given simply because he has a life to lead and a job to do outside of working for free on this site and has not posted that specific information soon enough for the impatient imbeciles on this page. It is now apparent they have cut off that information and I do not blame Ed02 one bit if that as I suspect is the case.
22 Feb 2013 13:10:43
Who do you think will eventually replace Wenger? I think Jurgen Klopp would be ideal.
22 Feb 2013 11:41:50
It is well known that the main reason why we havnt spent is due to the funding of the new stadium.
But now we have new sponsorship deals, the stadium is just about paid off (is it not?) and things are looking on the up financially.
We are about to reach a stage where we are no longer financially restricted and wenger will take the odd risk here an there, fight a bit harder for a player he wants and throw in a few extra mil to secure a first choice target.
I think we should wait it out for a few more years as these next few years will answer the question on whether the stadium change has left us in a weaker position or whether it was wenger. If we start killing it within the next few years we will know it was because of restricted finances, if we are still rubbish and struggle for top 4 then we will know its Wenger.
Nick.
Exactly the point I have been trying to make.
Dave 6
Please explain Arsene's dated tactics and strategy on the pitch? Arsene is a legend but has not moved with the times.
Its sad but time for a change.
Melbourne Gooner
Completely agree. I support Arsenal not any one person.
I've been a supporter for more than 40 years, I was at Walsall in 83 when we got knocked out of the league cup, York in 84 when we went out of the FA Cup, Wrexham in 92 when we where league champions and they had finished bottom of Div 4 (remember that structure? LOL) andthey put us out of the FA cup, Wembley in 88 when Luton beat us in the League cup final. I was also at both the cup final in 93 (and the replay) and at Anfield in 89.
Thats taught me that if you truly support any team you have to take the rough with the smooth.
We went from 71 to 79 without a trophy, then till 87. Those were also lean years but we got through them like we will get through these and we will be winners again - we always come back if you look at our history and we will do it again. as long as we stick to supporting whoever is picking the team and whoever pulls the shirt on and goes on the pitch.
Ok 8 years is a long time but I remember when were moving we were told it would mean that we had to be carfeul with cash for the next 8 to 10 years.
Wenger has made mistakes (who hasnt?) but to call for his head just before the stadium (and the other sponsorship deals)d changes from the causing a problem financially to helping us financially is premature.
He's done a sterling job job keeping us in the top 4 despite the financial handcuffs and when they come off he deserves the chance to show us why the move was so good.
Also, for those wanting rid of him - the darkest hour is always just before the dawn so let's give it the next 18 months or so and see where we are then!
He deserves the chance to deliver the end result of his vision, hard work, patience, honesty and foresight.
The club is not any one person. It will be here after Wenger, Walcott, the Ox and all us supporters, just like it was after Chapman, Norris, Alex James, Mclintock, Adam and all the people who have supported and worked for the club before we came along.
We are only minding the shop for the next generation - and Wenger built foundations for those who follow us to make us even better than the best we have ever been before.
Always remember we are THE Arsenal, we stand for what's best and right and we will be great once again - and soon!
Keep the faith and ignore the doom mongers, they will hope we forget their words when we are enjoy the rewards of the sacrifices we have made over the last FEW years. (8 out of 126 years of history isn't many!)
Soopergooner
I have also keep making this point to some deluded fans. Obviously the ones that are wanting to spend money that isn't there are maxxed out on their credit cards. let's pay the debts off and judge Wenger next season. We should show this man a bit more respect, granted we have not won a trophy but he has turned Arsenal round a great deal and they wouldn't be the great club it is today without his initial guidance.
In response to Nick's original post - I don't think waiting a few years to see if someone's plan has worked out, is an acceptable time scale in this case. We have already waited 5+ years, and wenger has already moved on from his original theory of 'youth is best' - by spending money on players who are coming to late 20's.
You can't just keep waiting and waiting. you need to be pro-active.
22 Feb 2013 11:15:18
I got to say that for the first time I'm ashamed to be an Arsenal fan. I think we have worst fans in the Premier league. Embarrassing guys!
Elaborate please!
Leaving 22 minutes into bayern game and not just a few. constantly booing a team and manager that obviously need backing and helping with confidence not adding constant pressure for a start
dave {Ed027's Note - register your name Dave, thanks
22 Feb 2013 11:12:09
We should have gone for AVB when we had the chance. That will really come back to haunt us.
22 Feb 2013 11:24:59
What chance? When was that?
Rubbish comment. Tottenham are forth because Arsenal have been atrocious this season. AVB has not caused this. however the poor player management and running of the club is the real problem
Are you deluded? Why not get Steve Kean? Joker
They went out both domestic cups before us & let's see if they reach the next round of the second rate Europa League. The two matches against Inter, will take a lot out out of them & going out, as is likely of the CL, might help us in the league, as our players will be rested between matches. If the Toot finish in 5th & we manage to finish 4th, Bale will be off & AVB will come under pressure.
22 Feb 2013 10:42:03
For those Arsenal fans still backing Wenger, do they seriously think he can take us back to where we were way back pre 2005? The team has slowly declined since 2005 & nothing in Wenger's current methods, give me hope that we will compete at the top under him.
I am amused at the 'disagrees', as the person that wrote the comment, asked if Wenger will be able to compete at the top. What do they disagree with? The question itself? For my part, I do not think Wenger can get us back up there, as his football philosophy has changed since he won things & he clearly misses the assistance of Dein & Fiszman.
22 Feb 2013 10:23:02
Michael Laudrup is the manager I feel would be best suited to taking over from Wenger when he finally leaves Arsenal. Although it is true that he has had only one season in the PL, I do Foresee Wenger seeing out his contract and therefore giving Laudrup more time to adapt.
Laudrup has rightly been getting plaudits this season and you may feel my views on him are only based on public opinion. This may be true but I also feel he has the image and ambition to carry a club like Arsenal into a new era after Wenger.
The person who eventually replaces Arsene will need to command respect from the Board, the squad, the fans, aswell as other teams in the PL and europe. Laudrup is a Legend, he has achieved everything and is highly regarded around europe amongst players and pundits alike. He has fantastic player knowledge and the influence to attract top top players to our club.
He also seems very calm and relaxed in interviews, which seems a comfort to his squad and as Swansea have proved he can play decent football, (although some may argue Martinez and Rodgers laid the blueprint). If they do win the carling cup, many big teams are going to take notice of this, rumours are already surfacing that Real Madrid may approach him in the summer, for me that would be shame.
Klopp and Mourinho are two names that crop up a lot here, honestly, I can't see either coming to the Emirates. Klopp has a young hungry team in a thriving and competitve league and Mourinho has never agreed with the Arsenal way of conducting business and they would not provide a war chest big enough for him, plus he has no longevity as a manager. As much as we are all desperate for trophies, I still feel we should not sell our souls to get them and keep some sort of ethos at the club, for me there is only one guy for could do that difficult balancing act successfully, but maybe its too premature to tell yet.
What is certain is that we need to seriously contemplate Wengers successor carefully and quickly, because I think he has only 1 year left at Arsenal. whether he likes it or not.
Pinchy the Gooner
Completely agree, for all the reasons you stated.
In other news, I find it laughable that people still think Wenger would walk into any job including the Madrid one. Who in their right minds would take on Wenger?
I'm not talking about lower clubs I am talking about the world's best - i. e. Madrid, Barca, Bayern etc etc, Ajax etc, I mean people have been going on and on about how he could walk into any job - why? He has no tactics, dated training methods, he is shockingly irresponsible with wages and is crap in the transfer market - no don't give me that BS about how many players he signed 12 years ago. What has he done since? Did it take a genius to work out that £10m for Arteta would be good business? No it did not. I'll give him credit for Santi and Monreal, fair play, nobody saw them coming, but all the other deals have been a waste of money, or the signings weren't ready to come and do a job for us at the time of purchase so we knew before the start of the season that there were slim chances of winning anything or improving - 'next year' syndrome. This is all because of Wenger.
When you think we could line up with Any GK, Debuchy/any RB, Cahill, Samba, Enrique; Capoue, Jack, Mata, Hazard; Ba, RVP with a bench of Szcz, Sagna, Vermaelen, Arteta, Rosicky, Theo, Moses but instead we have the crap we have it is no surprise our club is a laughing stock right now. Teams leagues below us honestly believe they have a decent shot against us! Our reputation is utter dog sh!t right now and this is not the board signings Santos instead of Enrique, or ignoring Moses who dominated us twice last year raping Sagna in the process (note -LAST year. ), this is all Wenger's remit.
Someone tell me why on earth PSG, Madrid, Malaga, any of these teams would take on Wenger now? If you were the employer would you go with the guy who used to win things, whose biggest trait is 'experience' (which is nothing if you don't do anything with it), or the younger, hungrier, up and coming guy with a clear vision of what he wants to achieve, how he wants to do it, a shortlist of the players he wants, when he wants to get them, etc etc.
Do you pick the manager who has not used a single iota of experience to beat a better team once when it counted, apart from the historic Barca game? Or do you pick the one who tells you he's watched almost 50 hours of footage of that team and gives you a tactical breakdown of what they'd do against Barca or Bayern in the last 16?
For this reason, I imagine we are stuck with Wenger until the end of his contract. To see him go, would that mean we need to pay out his remaining £7m? Any know this? Or would the club that wants him have to pay that?
I almost don't care who the next manager is as long as they have decent competition experience and a history of some sorts.
22 Feb 2013 08:20:31
ed please post.
there has been a couple of posts about my attitude and the way I have attacked arsene wenger.
arsene wenger has been at arsenaal for 16 years. he has seen us through the move to the emirates.
the 1st 8 years were a success because george graham gave him the core of a team. they were able to pass on the arsenal way to wengers signings. after he flogged henry, vierra, bergkamp, pires, jens and the rest of the invincibles he never built a squad to compete.
the reason 2005 was last time we won 1 cup is because wenger has not put together a winning team. there is no getting away from the fact that wenger has not won a cup in 8 years.
is that good enough for a club that is 5th highest earner in the world of football?
the stadium is on a long term loan till 2031 and we have huge cash resources, money is not an issue.
if you want to look at it from a footballing view wengers record is abysmal in the transfer market for the last 5 years.
do people really think that wenger fought with the board for money?
you only have to see him in press conferences to see he has just become stubborn and set in his ways to change
do people really think we could of not invested 100 mill in the summer and kept are best players and brought 2 new signings?
wenger is the highest paid person at arsenal, as long as he's there you will not get a change in the wage strucure. no 1 will be paid more than wenger at arsenal.
how many players are on more money than saf at manchester united?
what about theo walcotts contract talks, why did they take so long?every 1 knows its because of wenger.
i have the same opinion since I have been using this site for over 2 years.
337, terry and any 1 else that is denial if you don not like my posts do not read them.
people need to stop supporting wenger and start supporting arsenal.
for 5 years I have argued that I want wenger out and I have never changed my opinion, I have as much right to post my feelings on the way the club is run as any other arsenal supporter/fan.
CC your starting to get paranoid again and singling out people personally who comment on some of your posts.
Read back all my comments and at no point have I expressed a problem with you, merely added my opinion to this site which is not the 'Champagne Charlie forum'.
Also at no point have I claimed to be an Arsene Wenger supporter, the opposite in fact, I have critisized his tactics and added as recent as yesterday that 'just changing AW is not enough' and that we need to change our coaching methods, tactics etc.
So once you have read back my comments over the last few days you will see that the only comment directed at you was a light hearted 'calm down' the rest of them are general comments on the discussions.
Lastly, you have had to change your name a few times because you do get a bit too excited with people and then they just disagree or negatively comment on your posts, some have even stopped coming on here because you have attacked them personally, and posts like this do not help.
EVERYBODY is entitled to their opinion and just because they do not agree with yours, this does not make them wrong!
337
CC your starting to get paranoid again and singling out people personally who comment on some of your posts.
Read back all my comments and at no point have I expressed a problem with you, merely added my opinion to this site which is not the 'Champagne Charlie forum'.
Also at no point have I claimed to be an Arsene Wenger supporter, the opposite in fact, I have critisized his tactics and added as recent as yesterday that 'just changing AW is not enough' and that we need to change our coaching methods, tactics etc.
So once you have read back my comments over the last few days you will see that the only comment directed at you was a light hearted 'calm down' the rest of them are general comments on the discussions.
Lastly, you have had to change your name a few times because you do get a bit too excited with people and then they just disagree or negatively comment on your posts, some have even stopped coming on here because you have attacked them personally, and posts like this do not help.
EVERYBODY is entitled to their opinion and just because they do not agree with yours, this does not make them wrong!
337
Hi Charlie I'm not here to attack your opinion as your entitled to it as much as you are entitled to air it.
It's just maybe you are right about the money wenger had or didn't have and chose not to spend it but in my opinion he was building a title winning team on a tight budget until they decided to jump ship to a "better life". Do you honestly believe we would still be in a trophy drought if we still had adebayour, toure, nasri, flamini, hleb, van persie cole plus others. Only for a bad leg break on Eduardo we were looking good for the title that year. And he didn't break the bank to put this team together it can be done.
Now I bring up David Dein he was shoved from the board at the end of 06 start of 07 I think and this clown gazidis was appointed. Just looking from the outside in the change in our club started I honestly believe then I'm not saying Dein would have kept all those players but he would have kept most of em. How many years were these Vieira speculations going on for he never left until the club were ready to let him go if you listen to his autobiography that is what he states. I'm not saying that was the right decision but the club were in control of that move.
Looking to last summer the change seems to have started Wenger bought a well known quality striker in podolski what about cazorla these are arsenal quality players but bought for cheapish. With the big changes ed 002 is talking about we'll see what they are I think we are on the cusp of another golden laden run for our club the move I think is about to pay. As I have stated in another post I would like it if wenger was given the chance to implement change let him finish the way he started on a brilliant high. Obviously that all involves if there is change on the way cause if there isn't change within our club then I fear for us yes get rid of wenger then but whoever comes in will not change much unless the board change there ways listen to fans and bring back the glory years.
Look Charlie we might disagree on wenger but at the end we both want the same arsenal to dominate again and that's all that counts that's why this forum is so good cause we can argue our points but wanting the same outcome.
Dave 6
CC I suggest you read over your own posts and maybe you might realise you say the same thing just in different ways. As everyone has said we all have our own opinion and that is what this site is about. You however are on a mission to try and convince everyone that your opinion is the only one that counts. The constant rehashing of your Wenger bashing is to be honest boring and whilst some of us may agree and some of us may not it may help your cause if your posts were more of a constructive nature. Its easy to say don't read your posts but you must make up at least 80% of the posts on here making them difficult to avoid. As Dave 6 said rightly its all about Arsenal and getting us back on the map be it Wenger or anyone else.
Paul V
21 Feb 2013 18:09:48
ed002 do you expect usmanov to be on the arsenal board with in the next 12 months? {Ed002's Note - There is every chance that he will be within 19 months.}
Will he be on the same board as kroenke or is kroenke off? {Ed002's Note - I am not getting in to that right now Chuck.}
Cant blame me for trying:) {Ed002's Note - To be frank I am reluctant to say any more on the subject due to recent abuse - of which there has been plenty.}
I really cannot see any improvement in Arsenals situation until Kronke leaves, and we take a chance on Usmanov.
I did post this earlier in the week, that there was a lot of talk where I was sitting at the game saturday about Kronke selling his shares this summer, with Usmanov becoming majority sharholder, also Wenger would be joining PSG, with Carlo Ancellotti moving to Arsenal. This seems almost common knowledge with some of the supporters I was talking to saturday, Can any of the Eds clarify this at all?
Sorry ed did I miss something did you get abuse about the information please don't let some people put you off I think we're all dying to find out bout what you know.
Dave 6
Ed we all appreciate the work you do.
the new signing your name will get rid of the abusive posters.
keep up the good work.
i will leave it down to your judgement when to share the info.
i won't annoy you any more
22 Feb 2013 00:57:33
Metal answering your post further down said I'd bring it up a bit.
Fair enough if I was wrong bout time frame of caution wasn't quoting gazidis or anything. As for wengers mistakes I agree he has been making a few of late but I just feel that everything is pointing toward a shift at the club finance wise with everything I said bout sponsorships etc and ed 002 teasing us with his info I'm intrigued to hear ed by the way.
I just feel that wenger came to our club done unreal things for us which is clear with his trophy haul but the most impressive I think is the amount the stadium move cost the amount of financial pressure it put on the club and we stayed in the top four every year challenging in some shape or other.
So if its true and the money is about to be released to the manager and the tide has changed after everything that this man has done for our club I mean keep us competitive through all that we sack him and let someone else have the fruits of his labour it's not fair to a legend of our club.
Look I'm not pro wenger or anti wenger I'm pro arsenal I want us winning titles blowing teams away again like the invincibles. I want this new stadium to give us what it promised. That arsenal would be recognised by everyone else what we recognised all along that our arsenal is the biggest and best in the world bar none. So if we're on the brink of that with finances I would like a true great of our club to be given the chance to bring us there.
My point metal hangs on the fact the money is coming but that's my opinion I respect you metal always read your posts but it doesn't matter if we agree or not cause all that matters is that if I'm right and it all comes true you will be delighted that we are great again and if your right wenger leaves and someone comes in and makes us great again then I'm living in arsenal wonderland again and that's what we all want.
Sorry for long post but I love this club.
Dave 6
Mate never apologise for a 'long' post! It's not our fault some people cannot stomach anything longer than a tweet - symptomatic of younger generation attention spans.
I think it's important to note I used to worship Wenger, I really did. There was a stage when I was a bit younger where the thought of him one day not being at Arsenal could have made me well up. But it was different times. In those times our reasons for success were because everything we did was forward thinking. Since then though, all we have done is look over our shoulder. Look at Fergie, and Mourinho - they are forward thinking managers. They try something, if it doesn't work, they assess and they don't try the exact same thing twice unless it was very nearly successful.
We have had identical problems and measurable times of the season every year for at least 5 years now and this is with a revolving door of players. Which means it's not the players alone. Everything at the club is dated except the facilities. We're the hapless granddad trying to use a biro to write a text on his smartfone which costs him a fortune to run because nobody helped set up a decent contract, whilst Fergie and Mancini etc have all the bundles and perks for the same price and have been touch typing for years.
That is just one analogy for the club. Others say we're an analog club in a digital age.
We work on the way things were done 10 years ago. We haven't got with the times. And this is all-encapsulating. The training, the food, the game reviewing, the analysis, everyone knows.
And at the forefront of that, for me, is not the board, it's Wenger.
One bit of proof, is it is crystal clear there was a time when Bould was doing his thing with the defence. We were top 6 and had the best defensive record in the league - we had something to build on. Maintain that, adjust the attack and we could have been talking about challenging for the league.
Instead, after conceding two free kicks against Chelsea and losing the game 2-1 even though we actually outplayed them, Wenger had a freak out and Bould' influence was nulled. Everyone knows Bould has zero input on the defence now. Wenger saw us concede two goals off set pieces (first time all season, and tbh, both unlucky rather than poor defending) and boom, next week the defence is a shambles, we're back to zonal marking.
Tell you something, I would love a game against Arsenal if they were zonal marking!
So you see, for me, it's done. I have no desire to support a man who has no desire. And believe me he doesn't. I was taught for example, to stop saying you are a good person and BE a good person, and then you won't need to say it. (My ex could have learned this lesson. 'I'm not selfish!' lol)
What Wenger needs to do is stop saying he is passionate, stop saying how wonderful he is and that we'll miss him when he's gone, stop saying this team is the greatest, and start showing us. To do that, he needs a total update on his outlook, training methods, he needs to relinquish absolute control, drop the behind the scenes nonsense and focus on the team, the players coming in and those going out, and that is it. He can coach the attack, Bould can coach the defence. This will of course never happen, and if anything Bould has let me down immensely because a guy like him should have the balls to lay into Wenger when needs be, which is almost every week. If he doesn't like it he should walk and then tell the fans it's because Wenger is impossible to work with and has an entire team of staff whose advice, tactical analysis and feedback he totally ignores, and a heroic defensive coach who isn't allowed to coach. We all know it. This is why I don't want him to stay, and tbh I think I will stop talking about this topic now, I am sure everyone is sick to death of my reason why I want him out at the end of the season.
21 Feb 2013 23:32:44
riberys comments
"We didn't think it would be so easy, " said Ribery. "We know Arsenal are having some problems in the league, maybe they are lacking confidence.
"Each to their own problems. But we feel good, we feel confident and we're delighted to have got that result.
"We're all working hard together, with the will to play well, to win together, to defend together. It's important to carry on like this. "
WE didn't THINK IT WOULD BE SOO EASY, omg if ever we needed motivation! NO ONE SAYS THAT ABOUT THE ARSENAL! c'mon lads, atleast show some dignity at the allianz
Yorkshire Gooner Joe :D
Lol even if it's true, isn't it rude to say that?
Shouldnt he say things like 'they were a challenge, a quality side' etc.
Even I it's bs, a bit of manners would be appreciated haha.
Nick.
To make it worse didn't one of the blackburn players say something similar
dave
He has every right to say this Nick, rude or not, I would have been disappointed to come all the way to the Emirates and leave with a tepid win instead of a win off the back of a historically good game, which is precisely what it should have been!