Arsenal Banter Archive June 04 2014

 

Use our rumours form to send us arsenal transfer rumours.

04 Jun 2014 23:50:33
Just for fun I popped over to Everton page and politely asked if they would consider swapping Wilshere for Barkley.

They, including our very own Ed025 (to be fair he's Toffees Ed too), basically told me to pi55 off.

How dare they, lol.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed025's Note - he is far from the finished article yet dags, but he is a very exiting prospect, jack can be the finished article for me, he just has to grow up a bit and realise just what he has got..

05 Jun 2014 00:04:44
Top assessment Ed, hit the nail on the head there mate.

Agree0 Disagree0

Better question, Barkley for Oxlade?

Agree0 Disagree0

Dags if you do find an Everton fan who says yes to your offer please would you ask them if their also interested in a 1997 VW polo with 130,000 on the clock and 9 careful ish owners and one not so careful one. If their genuine and not just a tyre kicker I want £15,000 for it or £17,000 for cash

Agree0 Disagree0

05 Jun 2014 09:43:49
G62,
You and I could drive to Goodison, with Jack in the back.
Leave Jack and the car there and get a train back with Barkley and £17,000 in a bag.

Think of it as a high classed ransom.

we good? Lol

Agree0 Disagree0

I'm well up for that Daggers me old mate and on the way back we could tell Ross all our jokes, he's new so he ain't heard any of them before so we could hit him with then all one after the other :-)
He's a lucky boy no question about that

Agree0 Disagree0

05 Jun 2014 16:37:25
Nah, think that might scare him back to Goodison mate, lol.

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed025's Note - you would be done by the cops for torture boys.. :)

05 Jun 2014 20:03:42
Hehe thanks Ed.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 23:37:25
Shezney
? Mertesacker. Koscielny. Gibbs


Ramsey. ?



Walcott. Ozil. Santi



?

We need a new rb a holding player to replace arteta from the starling line up maybe a left sided player not a fan when podolski plays wide also giroud is not starting material

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 23:59:26
? Aurier

? Schneiderlin

? Remy.

"In Dags we trust".

Agree0 Disagree0

So you would keep giroud as first choice striker

Agree0 Disagree0

Ideally:
RB: Aurier
CDM Lars Bender
ST Jackson Martinez

Realistically
Jenkinson
Schneiderlin
Remy

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 23:24:56
Let's be honest fellow gooners, do we need fabregas?
Ramsey
Ozil
Wilshere
Chamberlain
Diary, flamini, arteta (back up)
And we're signing a defensive midfielder so do we really need fabregas?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

We don't NEED him. But seriously, I'd pay 30 odd million just so he doesn't play for Chelsea.

Agree0 Disagree0

05 Jun 2014 00:14:15
Do Man City need Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo and Jovetic?
No they don't.

Do they need Toure, Fernandinho, Nasri, Garcia, Silva, Milner,Navas.
No they don't

Do they need Kompany, Demichelis, Richards, Zabaleta, Kolarov, Lescott, Clichy.
No they don't.

But they have all of the above, all terrific players.
That's why they are champions.

Agree0 Disagree0

05 Jun 2014 01:58:13
Great post Dagz

Agree0 Disagree0

It's about time we dropped the small club mentality, we are a global brand and a champions league regular we should have as many top class players as we can get.

Agree0 Disagree0

05 Jun 2014 06:48:14
That Dags is exactly why Cesc is a no brainer and why we need to spend the £100 bloody million.

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed025's Note - i believe £100m will be enough for arsenal to retain their place in the top 4 jenny, to actually win it that figure will have to be doubled, all the teams in the top echelon will be strengthening as well, so even though it sounds like a massive amount it really will only get 3 class players, mind you, more luck with injuries would help..

Top posts from Dags Trev (hello mate) and Jenny that's the right attitude that will make us champions again, add to Ozil not Kallstrom is the way forward.
Ed025 you might be right about 100 mil not being enough but if spent on 3 very good players it would be a massive step in the right direction and make us top 3 deaconates or higher imo.

Agree0 Disagree0

05 Jun 2014 08:48:37
Thank you USG.

Totally agree Jen, we have it so spend it.

Agree0 Disagree0

05 Jun 2014 07:50:33
I know ed, I actually wanted to put double that figure but there is more chance of Dags telling a funny joke! Lol.

Agree0 Disagree0

And on the cesc issue i'd have seven of them over cesc.

Agree0 Disagree0

Dags sheik city do need all of them, i'm confused. Why is everybody saying they don't need them. The point is its not one player, its the team.

Agree0 Disagree0

05 Jun 2014 21:55:42
Steve, that's the point I'm making.

They have very good players in every position, plus players who are just as good who can come in to cover injuries/suspension/substitutions.

That's why they are champions.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 23:21:23
I'm on edge everytime Jack plays, he really needs to get over these injuries, get out the media, start training hard to really start improving.

People keep going back to that game against Barcelona, he had xavi and iniesta in his back pocket. He needs to get back to that level.

Obviously his injuries have hampered him enormously, but there's a reason that there is only one game where we can genuinely say he bossed it. Because it's the only game that he truly took into his own hands.

I'd hate for us to, in 15/20 years to look back and say "what a player Wilshere could've been, he could have been up there with Bergkamp, Ramsey and Vieira."

The next few seasons for Jack could put him in the same bracket as Joe Cole or being compared to Gazza, which I think we all know he could be up there will Gazza.

Incoming midfielders should all give him the competition that should spur him on and also give Wenger the option to use Wilshere if and when required to get him that match fitness he so desperately requires.

Peace out gunners.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 23:36:14
That's a damn fine post mate.

Agree0 Disagree0

Akie how could anyone argue with this post mate! Brilliantly put top top post mate

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 22:29:26
personally I hope he has a slight injury that needs 3-4 weeks to recover so he can some home, same for Jacky boy

Believable0 Unbelievable0

And what about Ox the human being and his hopes and dreams rather than Ox the commodity?
I hope he recovers quickly and fully and has the world cup of his dreams, and the one he deserves to have.
Get well soon Ox mate

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed025's Note - i echo that mate..

04 Jun 2014 23:35:44
From his reaction and the fact they're talking about a scan on Thursday because of possible ligament damage I've got everything crossed for him.

Really hope it's nothing but have a bad feeling :-(

Agree0 Disagree0

Could be 6 months with an op on his ACL. Fingers crossed he's fine

Agree0 Disagree0

05 Jun 2014 01:59:18
Hope for his sake he's ok

These injuries can demoralize a young kid like him

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 22:27:42
So Sterling gets a red.

If the ref puts it in his match report he gets a 3 match ban, as does Valencia. Will one game be served next friendly? It depends how that match is arranged but it should count as one. He'll then miss our first two group games.

Does anyone have any further info on that?

And can Roy drop him from the squad now? If he can should he? 2 games is a lot in a World Cup.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed025's Note - it does not affect anything in the world cup paul..

04 Jun 2014 23:03:16
Apparently he will miss the office Xmas party, his sons Bar-mitzvah and his Aunty Flora's wedding reception but he's ok football-wise.

Come on Paul, lol.

Agree0 Disagree0

That's what they were saying on BeIn sport post game

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 22:20:05
Most of us loved Charlie Nicholas so much and so wanted him to be brilliant we pretend to our self's he was dispite the fact he wasn't. Some of us are doing it again with Jack

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 22:48:47
You make a fair point there mate.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:47:43
Ox Ozil Theo
Jack Rambo
Gibbs Kos BFG Jenks
Shezza

With the addition of a proper world class striker I take that starting lineup next year

Ox is ready

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 22:00:10
Throw a good solid defensive mid in there and that's a good team.

Oh, and Remy.

Agree0 Disagree0

I doubt many will argue Ox but someone else in your MF provokes a few questions as I'm sure your expecting

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 22:24:34
Rambo plays the deeper playmaking role, Jack is box to box, like Xabi Alonso and Khedira

Except with those two they can interchange, which makes us that much more dangerous

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:45:39
And now Jack comes off injured.

Goldboy, get posting lol.

Yoyoo, where are you?

Ding Ding, round 2.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

I've not said he isn't injury prone? Just that we need to stick by our players.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 22:44:45
Dags. What was that? I must have missed something. Something to do with "Sods Law" was it.
By the way did you see the England game.? I thought the Ox played superb. Rooney was crap as usual.Unfortunately I've just heard that the Ox has got a bit of an injury but may NOT! miss all of the World Cup. Whatever that means for us again!!

Agree0 Disagree0

Ok back to your corners lads, and Golds watch those rabbit punches and Yoyoo watch the holding

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 23:09:39
Lol, just playing devil's advocate mate.

Yeah, Ox played very well but could have a serious injury, shame because it will be a big loss, from England's point of view.

Agree0 Disagree0

No injury for Wilshere by the way, just cramp.

Agree0 Disagree0

Good hook Yoyoo

Agree0 Disagree0

05 Jun 2014 09:51:15
m very pleased to hear its just cramp.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:43:05
Ox better not be hurt, what a match he played

This match proves, play Stevie deep and let Jack push

On form, I replace Rooney first from the attack, Barkley is a starter. Barkley is awesome.

Nice to see Lambert goal, and also worth a punt at starting Sturridge wide and Lambert up front, dropping Rooney

Wayno again, did nothing, and will not do a thing in that heat and humidity

Flanagan over Milner, otherwise get ready for that to be how England loses the matches they lose

Lambert
Sturridge Barkley Ox
Gerrard Jack
Baines Jagz Cahill Flan
Hart

That team can do some real damage. In Jack, Ox, Barkley, Sterling and Sturridge, England have their modern footballers w technique, touch and pace

Also

The red cards are absurd, refs it's a friendly for God's sake

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed025's Note - good side that for me US..

04 Jun 2014 22:19:48
Rooney remains an embarassing clown, spent the whole game getting in Lamberts way and celebrated his goal like he was back. What a joke.

Your boy Ox is looking good, hope the knock is nothing, England have some genuine quality young guns out there. Agree with that team.

Shame Woy felt the need to put in 4 out of confidence out of form chumps from United.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 22:52:23
Woah Marcellus, how the devil are you Sir?.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:34:55
Another poor performance from Jack, I hate to admit that I think that.
Fabregas in, create competition.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 21:47:55
How dare you Sir,
wash your mouth out with soap.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:14:10
How good does Ox look for England, superb display from him

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 21:38:19
Full of running mate, he looks good.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:42:04
If you watch me play football mate, I'm a bit like Ox.

Sorry, I meant Oxo, as soon as you touch me I go all crumbly and fall apart.

Agree0 Disagree0

Couldn't agree more Banbury he looks superb to be fair has done for while now, love the way he wins the ball back when he loses it, no prima donnas hads on hips just total commitment, love the Ox to bits.
Aaron or Ox? For next seasons best player, excited about it already I really am

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 20:50:24
Last season, come the new year, we were top of the tree and playing some damn fine football.

For me, AND IT'S JUST MY OPINION, Losing Theo was the Biggest blow possible, a real hammer blow.

Theoretically, if we were top of the table next season, with, say 20 games to go and assuming we still have the same team, which one of the following players would you prefer we lost for the remainder of the season?.

A) Ramsey.

B) Walcott.

C) Wilshere.

D) Ozil.

E) Chamberlain.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

Surely this is a no contest? The only possible answer is Jack isn't it! Or have is understood the question, AGAIN ;-)

Agree0 Disagree0

Ozil for me, all day long

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:36:48
G62,
My post had an underlying sub-text, well figured out mate, respect.

Banbury, I also totally understand why you said Ozil.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:44:55
Walcott

He's the worst actual footballer of the bunch

Ox can do his job

That said, Walcott was our biggest loss this year as he makes Ozil's transition much easier

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 20:45:46
The Ox has to start v Italy

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 20:42:40
If diego costa was availible at £32M I'm very surprised Arsenal didn't move for him. He's a player who I thought could of really added something to our team next year.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 21:08:22
Good shout Jack but pretty certain Chelsea have had him in the bag all season, I think it would have been a fruitless chase mate.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 19:31:52
Just to throw a different angle on the Jack debate, what's your 3 outstanding memories of his season good or bad take your time pick which ones stand out most for you?
For me its the goal against Norwich, the smoking thing and the city incident
Now do Ramsey Ment Kos Theo Giroud Ox and see which ones take the least time to decide on.
Many had spells out injured so that doesn't make any difference either way, Jacks took least time to come up with for me and I think says a lot about his progress or lack of it

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 20:35:43
Totally agree mate.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 19:27:43
Only Arsenal and it's genius fans would say no to Cesc

More importantly, only our sunshine "what have you done for me lately" supporters, who LOVE Rambo now but were ready to sell a year ago today, would consider selling Jack

He's been playing hurt, but he CLEARLY needs to do more

Perhaps we, as a fanbase, learn our lesson from Alex Song, Kieran Gibbs, Aaron Ramsey and a horde of other players Arsene has gotten right, and shut it

Selling Jack Wilshere. Genius idea.

I'm willing to bet Bayern and Barca would be in absolute full favor of that.

But why would they spend 30m on an overrated, injury prone, bow legged player? Probably because they are stupid clubs, right? That must be it

I visit this board a lot less due to the absurdity of some of our "what have you done for me lately" support

Wenger out, Wenger in. Time to sell Poldi, I love Poldi. BFG is the worst, oh but he's the best, but he did fall down against Hull so he's the worst again. Jenks can't play for Arsenal, oh but he did score a goal the other week, so let's give him a shot. Unreal

There were CL match days this banter board was flooded w transfer ideas rather than supporting our lads.

On behalf of those of us fans who actually care about the long-term sustainability of our success, please stop. It's the same persons that go on twitter and spew garbage at these 22 yr old kid who play for us.

If you think Rambo has forgotten some of the vitriol our fanbase showed, think again. The kid was down in the dumps, a 21 yr old, and we bashed him like there was no tomorrow

The day he walks, and it will come, don't be surprised

Please continue with this garbage about Jack. And when he kicks our ass playing for United in a few years, don't bash him for being a traitor, or regret us selling him.

Perhaps we can fill Jack's roster spot w Adam Lallana.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed025's Note - good post that USG, and some credible points, but you have to realise that the guys with these views are just passionate supporters who want whats best for the club, sometimes they go over the top yes, but i believe its for the right reason mate..

04 Jun 2014 20:31:02
One of the best post I've seen here for ages.

You get the same people saying no to Cesc, sell Jqck and then they also think Giroud is good enough to be first choice striker.I'm glad Arsene is in charge!

Agree0 Disagree0

Very few people want jack sold, but I think an awful lot want him do much. much more on the pitch and a lot lot less of it

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:01:07
USG, I have a lot of respect for you, but I never understand people who send venomous posts aimed at people just because their views are different from yours.

It amazes me and if I'm honest, saddens me, especially as this is a football banter page.

Agree with G62, I don't remember anybody endorsing the sale of Jack Wilshere, I certainly haven't, but as G62 and Goldboy have said, people just want more from him.

We shouldn't be talking about 'potential', he should have reached, and surpassed that, 2 years ago.

Agree0 Disagree0

Please don't ridicule or knock peoples opinions, because wether you like it or not they are free to express them. I don't agree with a lot of people on here but then i'm not going to. that's life my friend.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:17:54
Well said Jack Dee, sorry I mean Steve r, lol.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:31:43
I cannot and will not respect the opinion, that a kid, who plays his ass off for us, should do more while playing hurt

Or that we should even consider selling him

I'd like to see someone suggest this about Silva at City on their board

I totally respect this as a banter site

That's not banter, it's lunacy

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:57:25
USG,
You don't have to condone nor respect other people's opinions, but just try to be less venomous in your reply.

Express your opinion but don't ram it down peoples throats and dismiss their views as those of the ramblings of somebody who doesn't know what they are talking about.

I respect your views, try showing other people the same respect they show you.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 22:27:08
Dagz I agree and apologize

It's just that every team in the PL would die for a Wilshere

We have it and don't even value it, considering he's young enough where we could sit him a year and still he could star

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 22:28:18
Dagz

The kid played hurt all year and we are bashing him for not playing well or hard enough

It's ridiculous

Most would be applauding it for giving it his all playing hurt

Agree0 Disagree0

Dags that's a fantastic post mate, all joking aside for a change, well said you mate

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 22:59:05
Pleasure G62.

USG, no need for apologies mate, whatever peoples opinions are, we are all friends on here.

You have a fair point but so does Goldboy.
Personally, I think Jack divides opinions and will continue to do so until he remains injury free and finds his form.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 18:25:10
This Fabregas issue looks like it could go on for a while. I for one would love him back regardless of who our current squad is and would hate to see him at a rival when he was our captain.

In reality it doesn't matter who reports what and what the Ed's are saying there is probably some clause in the contract with Arsenal involved and nobody will know what it is until it is triggered/ignored or whatever.

So let's move away from the cesc rumours and cross our fingers for some good news :)

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 18:16:28
Serious post.

Some people really need to lighten up and start reading post's properly before they criticize others on here.

I'm not sticking up for Goldboy, because he is big enough and ugly enough to defend himself, and is free to post an honest opinion about an Arsenal player without being subjected to post's questioning his love of Arsenal.

Goldboy gave his opinion about Jack Wilshere, using a valid argument and valid points about him, points that are blatantly obvious for all to see.

The whole point of a football banter page is that you should be able to express an opinion, whether wrong or right, and than throw the whole idea up for discussion.

let's talk about it, let's discuss, let's dissect, let's throw our opinions around about the topic, some points could be valid, some not so, but please let's discuss in a civil fashion.

If you disagree with somebody's opinion, that's fine.
Reply back and give YOUR opinion, its called BANTER.

Remember, although we all support the same team, that doesn't mean we have to have the same views on players/formations/tactics, if we did, this site would be boring.
But, thankfully it's not, and that's because we are all able to post an opinion without fear of ridicule and being called "a 2nd class supporter".

Anymore of this and I'm going to start banning people on here.

Oh wait, lol.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed025's Note - love it dags...next time there is a vacancy for an arsenal editor...i will get you to nominate somebody.. :)

04 Jun 2014 20:31:04
Hehe thanks Ed,

I think it should go to that fella who keeps harking on about Remy, his name eludes me at present, but you know the one, lol.

Agree0 Disagree0

Love it when your angry Dags, I wouldn't want to crunch your gears mate :-)
I've always said that Remy is a must buy honest Indian I have Sir

Agree0 Disagree0

I thought for a minute someone had hacked your account and stole your identity, then I realised at the end it was you. Jack.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 21:15:28
G62,

Mate, behind the stunningly handsome good looks and chiselled manly physique, there lies a demon who has a very very eerie devilish dark-side, a man not to be messed with or a Pandora's box of satanic hell could be unwittingly unleashed, with fire consequences for anybody who stands in my way.

Damn, got to go, must do hoovering before my wife gets home or she will go mental at me.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 16:43:03
Ed025 is that you out there at the moment. Have you been reading this. What's your take mate. Am I losing the plot on this debate.?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed025's Note - not for me goldie your expressing an opinion, stick to your guns mate, but we must also be mindful that guys like yooyoo have their opinions as well..

You say what you feel, its your opinion, others have their opinions. that's all it should be, unless, someone is personal and me i'd ignore them. No one is right or wrong just opinion. Keep it up, you are just passionate in your thoughts, .

Agree0 Disagree0

{Ed025's Note - thats right steve..

04 Jun 2014 18:09:16
My take on the Wilshere debate.

He has shown us glimpses of what he can do, his goal vs Norwich, 2 goals vs Marseille etc. When he was 19 he had an injury free season and was a revalation. He was absolutely fantastic, and I believe got a MOTM vs Barca that year.

Id say next season, Whilshere, Jenkinson and Ox will be fantastic and earn starting places. Wilshere will probably go to the World Cup and shine like he did vs Brazil at Wembley. Any talk of selling him is nonsense knowing the quality and potential he has.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 19:02:24
Please God you are right mate.

Agree0 Disagree0

Exactly Detroit.
I've not said Wilshere has fulfilled his potential, not even close to doing so, but let's give him chance before our fans want to get rid of him.
When he has been fit, he hasn't set the world alight, but he hasn't been bad, has he?

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 16:21:01
04 Jun 2014 11:56:01
{Ed023's note -

If anyone is interested in doing the World Cup Predictions, please send your predictions with the layout below. It will be going onto its own page within the next 10 days:

WINNER: Argentina

BEST PLAYER: Aguero

TOP SCORER: Aguero

GROUP WINNERS: Brazil, Spain, Ivory Coast, Italy, France, Argentina, Germany, Belgium.

TEAM TO WATCH: Belgium.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 12:47:29
Happy birthday LP9

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 17:36:46
Happy birthday Lucas.

Top boy.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 19:09:51
Aha

Happy Bday Poldi!

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 12:45:43
You see I told you so Dags there is always one that doesn't get the point of a post. YooYoo. I don't think you are getting it mate but let's try and make it clear so you understand what I'm saying. Nobody said Jacks not been good for us have they? What I am saying is along with a few posts from others and to put it in a nutshell, Jack is becoming too injury prone and it doesn't seem to change from one season to the next. But if you are happy to stick by him well good for you mate. Along with a few others I would prefer to bring in a player that can hopefully put in a shift during the season instead of seeing them getting paid a fortune and sitting in the stands . And if we go through next season and Jack has another bout of injuries yes I think we should consider letting him go.Why wouldn't you? Being loyal doesn't win trophies . Are we going to honestly sit there and keep saying "poor Jack great player can't wait till his fit again we need him. " The same with Vermaellen I can't remember the stats exactly but let's put it this way . If he was doing a normal job he would have been off sick for over 2 years out off four coming up to the beginning of this season we have just had.Are you going to tell me that we should keep paying him too. To finalise let me put it into perspective. Would you get paid probably £10.4 million roughly for being off sick on and off for two years? and if you were an employer would you carry on paying the wages? No! me neither. Be real mate!

Believable0 Unbelievable0

'Being loyal doesn't win trophies'
Brilliant, haha.
Take a look back at the FA cup final - Ramsey scored the winning goal, therefore it does.
Wenger stuck by his player and it paid off, massively.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 16:39:27
Yooyoo. What are you talking about. Mate. You are going from one thing to another. People are talking about being able to express their feelings on different situations. Nobody is being disloyal people are just putting it as they see it. So according to you then Ed025 Ed02 and many others on here can't be loyal Arsenal supporters because they dare to make a suggestion that affects an Arsenal player. Ridiculous. I'm loyal to the club not individuals they make up a part of the club. And if they are not putting in a shift just like anyone else illness or not then its time that there position has to be looked at. Are you really suggesting regardless of his injuries we should keep him? Be real mate.

Agree0 Disagree0

Wow. I didn't realise how much of a issue this little comment would turn into :L
All I'm saying with that last comment about Ramsey is, stick by our talented players when they're having it tough.
I can guarantee Wilshere will come good.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 12:29:30
I will say it again, I love Cesc. He was phenomenal at Arsenal when we had him. But all this talk of him coming to play DMF? That I do not agree with. Cesc is not a DMF. I would rathe we try for one of the Bender brothers, Khedira or Pogba then. We had positions that we have been genuinely lacking for quite some time now: ST, DMF and LW. Only when we have filled these positions with quality players, then Cesc will be a big bonus. In the last 2 seasons, I haven't heard anyone complain that we are short in midfield.

2ndly The way Cesc left us broke a lot of hearts. It obviously showed that his allegiance lies elsewhere. While we are talking, we might as well put in a bid for RVP and Nasri. Cesc thought the grass was greener on the other side. He made his bed, now he has to sleep in it. I would pnly be happy to get Cesc back when we have filled ST, RB, DMF, LW and GK. If we spend 35mill on him, I am pretty sure we would have already have blown more than a third of our transfer budget on a non-crucial position.

Say no to Cesc for the DMF position!

Believable0 Unbelievable0

Couldn't agree more. Money needs to be spent elsewhere first, especially at ST. Cesc simply does not play in an area we most need to strengthen. Don't want to see him in a blue shirt, but if it's between Cesc and Costa/Cavani or the like, I'll take a top striker. And by the way, chucking a few mil for a thorough study of the ongoing injury problem would be money well spent. Probably more cost-effective than loading up on MFs for "cover."

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 12:27:26
consider this.

midfielder, spain international (88 apps) and senior club appearances 308 (63 goals), only 26. consistent starter for club and country. golden boy award, golden player award, player of the year award. player of the month award. played with the best players of the last decade.

and much more. if this sort of quality is available. shouldn't every club be looking to acquire it.

we got ozil last year. as you can't miss out on quality . and this guy at 25 was way better then ozil is/was at real madrid.

just saying.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 11:50:11
Before anyone else says anything about wilshere!
look at all our best goals this season, he was involved. none of you are actually concentrating on the great football he has played, and is playing! he got goal of the season for god sake!

you all love to jump on a bandwagon, you did it with ramsey, ozil, podolski, etc, he is 22 years old, and in footballing terms 26/28 is your peak! so just imagine how good he could be!

nicely at the moment we don't have many players to mock, there is no scapegoat so you all look to our stars when they are struggling, and instead of supporting them, you make their lives even harder!

we all love arsenal that's why we are here, so support your club stop trying to break it!

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 14:20:55
It's beyond belief people think we should sell Jack, idiotic.

Agree0 Disagree0

There are no scapegoats. Monreal, Arteta, Giroud, Sanogo, Cazorla and even Ozil have been scapegoats this year.

It's not so much a bandwagon being jumped on, it's players failing to reach the standards they set.

Regards JW, he is Diaby mkII. He has had his prime, he will never stay fit enough to be considered world class. I hate to say it but he's that fragile I'd bet he'll come home from Brazil with a serious injury.

No doubt a great player when fit but it happens that often I'd punt him while his stock is high and buy Fab back.

Agree0 Disagree0

GOLDBOY just doesn't seem to get this.
Rather put down our players than support them.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 16:01:39
SADFACE. Exactly right mate. It is really annoying when people suggest that there is a vendetta against Jack. Of course there isnt. He can be involved in every goal, save, corner,free kick and whatever might come his way and I for one am happy to see it. But he has unfortunately become unreliable. It hasn't just happened overnight its been building up for a couple of seasons. I don't know what is up with some people on here seirously. I've never wrote or read that Jack is a complete waste of time as a player but I have wrote and read that its about time Arsenal started looking at whether his injuries are now getting in the way of his worth. If some people read the posts correctly they would see that s what is being suggested. Nobody is saying what a fantastic player but I don't like him so let's get rid of him.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 16:23:14
SADFACE.Exactly right mate. It is really annoying when people are not really reading the posts correctly. Well they think they are and put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5.Nobody has said and niether have I that Jack is a complete waste of space. What I have said along with others is are his injuries outstripping he worth to us. Or are some people suggesting that we should hold on to him regardless of whether he plays or not just because its Jack Wilshere and he has been at Arsenal since he was a kid.I think some people are so blinded by trying to be loyal that they have completely overlooked the point of the suggestions and the reasons why. My reason at the moment is that he is worth a few quid on the transfer market. The longer he goes on with injuries the price will be going down.Dont you think for one minute that there are loads of clubs out there that are thinking the same thing as i'm posting. They would love Jack we know that but they are also thinking what mileage would they get from him so that's going to affect his price. As Dagaenham said in an earlier post would we be rushing out to buy him if he played for another team? I can think of a few other players with less baggage than him at the moment. So to sum up its not about Jack as a person even though I also believe he has a few outside issues that's affecting his game. let's see what the Word Cup brings but more importantly what he brings to Arsenal next season.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 11:56:01
{Ed023's note -

If anyone is interested in doing the World Cup Predictions, please send your predictions with the layout below. It will be going onto its own page within the next 10 days:

WINNER:

BEST PLAYER:

TOP SCORER:

GROUP WINNERS:

TEAM TO WATCH:

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed023's Note - I would just would like to add that entries close at the weekend so best of luck if you're entering}

04 Jun 2014 12:49:31
Great idea Ed023.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 11:04:28
What would you ugly lot think about another burgundy kit, I loved the last one and think I might be tempted to buy one for the first time in 7 years

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 11:37:49
No didn't like it mate.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 17:42:48
I'm not ugly so I can't reply to this post, lol.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 11:12:29
Today's poll would Eto'o be a good signing?
I could see why Arsene would want him, it must do his head in sometimes with so many young players around him all the time and it would be nice to have someone his own age to talk to I guess. They could reminisce about the 1958 world cup and a young Eto'o starting out on his career

Believable0 Unbelievable0

Brilliant, haha! I'd be gutted if we got him.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 18:44:26
Lol G62.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 11:12:01
I read people saying Cesc has already done his medical for Chelsea. This is crazy talk people and I mean most of rumours around Fab are absolute nonsense. He is with his national squad and 100% focused on the world cup. Last time he was always under Xavi's shadow but this time its his turn and he has a lot to prove so he would not waste his time on anything else. I think he hasn't even decided to leave Barca let alone choosing his next club. I don't understand how so of mates in here already think of him as a Chelsea player.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 09:43:57
I find the apparent attitude of the club over Fabregas baffling. Wenger has always said that he would only buy players who are better that the ones we currently have. So the question is if you replaced any one of the following players in an Arsenal 11 with Cesc would that team be better or worse.

Ozil
Rambo
Jack
Ox
Santi
Arteta
Diaby
Rosicky

In my opinion the answer is an unequivocal yes. Rambo has had one great season scoring goals but Cesc also has that in his game, Ozil whilst a great player at setting up goal scoring opportunities has not yet settled in and proven himself in the Premiership whereas Cesc is a proven provider, Jack has not kicked on, mainly due to a series of injuries, whilst he still has great potential he isn't yet at Cesc's level for bossing the Midfield. Santi has great feet but is too inconsistent he can be great but all too often in important matches goes AWOL, Cesc is a game changer in big matches. Arteta has done a decent job with great passing accuracy but has lost too much pace and does not put in the killer pass that opens a defense, Cesc has the passing accuracy but better vision for the decisive ball and is a lot faster. Rosicky and Ox are great at driving at the defense but lack Cesc's instinct for picking the right lay off once you have made the run. As for Diaby, Cesc can easily average being fit for more than 10 games a season! oh and is a better player than him. None of the players above play the role of a quarterback running the game and bringing the talents of the whole team to the fore by picking the right plays. Cesc along with his other skills was the playmaker that ran the midfield for our most successful teams in the past, this is the one role we never replaced when he left.

The modern game is all about the squad, lack of depth cost us a chance at the premiership, there are a lot of games in a season when you are in 4 competitions, a quality squad allows you to absorb injuries, rotate for lack of form and rest players without significantly weakening the team.

When Cesc left he made it very clear that the only team he would go to was Barca, there was no bidding frenzy and therefore in my opinion he went very cheap.

If Arsenal had been decisive about wanting him back and he had made it clear the only club he would leave Barca for was Arsenal it would hopefully have put other clubs off and we could have got him back at a bargain price.

Come on Wenger this is a no brainier, get Cesc back, improve both our squad and first eleven and deny one of the worlds best players to our opposition in the premiership. Do you really want to play Chelsea, City, United or Liverpool with Cesc pulling the strings for them.

Cesc, a world class proven goal scoring CF, a DM, a RB and a CB and we are sorted.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

Spot on.

Agree0 Disagree0

Can't disagree, but I highly doubt there is money (or the will to spend it) for both Cesc and a proven, world-class CF, as well as RB and DM (unless you want more signings like Kallstrom). I'd love him back, but there are greater needs elsewhere; CMF is not the highest priority. If Arsenal could do it and not skimp on a CF, great, but I don't see it happening. Would love to be proven wrong though.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 07:35:28
Now I think most know I like Jack Wilshere and equally I believe he will be great for us.

Like Golds said, this coming season and maybe the World Cup are where he now has to show us all the real Jack and I'm sure he will. We have to bare in mind he has yet to have that constant run of football that is so often put forward for a player to prove his worth as we are now saying Jenks needs.

These are our players, some deserve a bit of stick, Mr Bendtner springs to mind, others evoke some great banter but Jack is to me worth some more time.

There was I think from you Golds talk of Jack being bow legged and this being why he was injury prone, I read that it was the great Stan Collymore who started that one on talk 5h1te radio. It also went on to say his running style was similar to a certain Johann Cruyff who apparently had a half decent career. I'm not a doctor like Greeny so can't say for sure. :-)

Also gunner62 I know you think he needs to keep quiet and let his football do the talking which is always a fair point but you are also championing the arrival of Balotelli, is he not 500 times worse than Jack for doing the exact same thing. You'll be going apoplectic if he does sign. Lol.

Oh anyone hear a rumour we are being linked with a guy called Remy. By all accounts it was a done deal but a last minute hitch with his agent Dirk Dagala getting put away in Broadmoor has put it on hold. He has no current release date.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed025's Note - a supporters loyalty to a player can only go so far jenny, for me its a 2 way street, he has to give more for the cause..

My personal and medically trained opinion is that he is slightly "bow legged" which causes him to run slightly on the outside of his feet when he runs. Couple with this the fact he seemingly has glass ankles and it's an injury prone player waiting to happen.

I do think he will come good for us next season IF he stays relatively injury free. However, I totally agree with G62 with regards to him keeping his gob shut and doing his talking on the pitch.

As for Loic Remy, I won't even go there!

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 08:10:39
Lol Jenny,
I'm now officially in love with you and going to get a job as your personal stalker.

Post of the year so far, brilliant.

Agree0 Disagree0

Thats a very fair comment Jenny, but for me one of them at 21was a star of Euro 2012 and already had a PL winners medal plus is one of this summers top transfer targets, the other is 22 year old jack.
In terms of personality one is a total box of fireworks that can light up the sky as well as explode in your face and the other is a hand touch with dodgy batteries that just shines itself in peoples eyes to get noticed every now then.
I want Jack to reach every bit of that fantastic potential of his I really do and would have a lot more patience with him if he shut upoff the pitch

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 09:12:48
I understand that ed025 and Golds makes good points about him, I'm sure he is in the last chance saloon and needs to step up this season with form and a lack of injuries. Maybe I'm being to soft.

It's for me, remembering how good I thought Ramsey was and then he nose dived to come back last season with a bang. I guess we all want that for Jack but it's down to him and nobody else.

Thanks Dr Greeny a great prognosis, will you be attending Broadmoor to assist with treating Mr Dagala or is that beyond even your medical expertise. Lol.

Dags the surveillance cameras are on 24/7. x

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 11:43:30
Jenny.No I never said he was bow legged. I said that when I first saw him play when he was 16 in a Carling Cup game I said at that time I could see him getting plenty of injuries due to the way he goes in for the ball when challenging or being challenged. He seemed to go in side on and I could see him having problems with that. And I was surprised that this was never coached out of him as he still does it.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 14:11:52
Cameras cannot stop true love Jenny; restraining orders sure can! Maybe the cameras are on to savour the moment dags :)

Agree0 Disagree0

I've said on a number of posts that JW is bow legged and this is understood to be the cause of most of his injuries.

I don't/wouldn't listen to Stan Collymore so wouldn't have picked it up from there, can't think where I picked it up from, perhaps just my opinion - it is now anyway.

I think every player needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis. A star player needs to be arrogant and a bit controversial, they need their ego fed to help them thrive. JW hasn't earned the right to have an ego, he's a gobsh!te with a horrible attitude, bow legs and glass ankles. He needs to sort himself out and focus on his career. Not twitter or annoying spurs fans.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 17:03:44
SADFACE is great he doesn't mess around. Nice to see someone not pussyfooting around. Tell it like you see it mate. Carry on. Nice one. and before anyone says he can't be an Arsenal supporter of course he is but he is not being blinded by saying what might be acceptable. I for one think its refreshing when our own supporters can come on here and say it as they see it. I thought that was what it was about. I read it said ARSENAL BANTER not ' ARSENAL PAMPER'

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 17:49:17
Good point TJRed, lol.

And great post Golds.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 07:33:25
Ed. I've got to ask your opinion.
Now you have probably read the posts I've put up about Jack and my reasons and again I will say I've always said he is an assett when fit.
What are your feelings on what has been posted. Thanks.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed025's Note - in my opinion goldie you have a good case, there is no doubting his ability, but he has to contribute more for me. now i know its not his fault he gets injured, but does he really go through the pain barrier to represent the club?..not for me, i personally think he has issues that have nothing to do with football which are major factors in his lack of what i would call commitment... make of that what you will mate..

04 Jun 2014 09:10:54
Thanks Ed. Yep I go with that too. I've also heard of the other issues too! You know where I'm coming from!?

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 07:01:16
Don't know if this is abit controversial n don't want to be the bad guy but. can't help but feel cashing in on Jack making way for Cesc.
Can't help but feel he isn't really improving like we thought he would :-/

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 07:25:13
PET. Read my earlier posts to Dags mate.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 10:44:11
Cash in on Cazorla for Cesc yes, all day everyday! Jack,never

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 04:50:33
Everyone needs to stop worrying. I get the feeling Wenger is just letting the other clubs waste their time bidding for Cesc, before making his move. Bit of payback for messing him about with Demba Ba last summer.
If Cesc is signed along with a DM, RB, ST, CB & a LW, then he'll be an excellent signing, if he's signed and those areas are left lacking, however.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

I think your onto something cobber, be lovely pay back by Arsene to let Mourinho and Chelski get so close to Cesc then just at the last minute and go I THINK YOU'LL FIND HE BELONGS TO US :-)

Agree0 Disagree0

I would love it to be so. just to see at the next spain team meeting cazorla unveils an arsenal top and shoves it on him ala pepe reina 4 years ago

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 04:37:37
Arteta was brought in to replace Cesc

So now Cesc cannot replace Arteta?

I'm confused why Cesc cannot play DM for us

Believable0 Unbelievable0

Spot on US. Get Cesc back wenger it's a no brainer! Depth in squad needed to battle domestic & euro cups. Cesc signing means Arteta, Flamini and Rosicky bow out over the next 2 seasons and Cesc slots back in. If he goes Chelski I'd be gutted, time to stand up and declare Arsenal are back. Makes sense to do this deal sooner as season ticket, silver and red members all renewal membership deals. Please don't leave it late wenger. COYG

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 02:20:50
Would you consider signing Hangeland, as cover for Mertesacker?

I would like to see:
Ruddy
Richards
Hangeland
Schneiderlin
Di Maria
Balotelli

Any thoughts?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

As soon as I heard he was released from Fulham I immediately thought the speculation would begin. Wenger likes him as a player and I wouldn't be surprised to see him brought in as freebie cover.

Not sure he is up to standard though.

Agree0 Disagree0

Not good enough for us. He's had a poor season at Fulham and I would prefer we sign/use a young CB as cover.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 08:44:35
If Vermalaen leaves, I would take Hangeland and a young, pacey centerback.

I don't want Balotelli, too much of a trouble maker. He'll disrupt our team chemistry. Wenger is a manager, not a miracle worker.

Di Maria. Would love him at Arsenal, but I don't see Real Madrid selling him. At the moment, he's the best winger in the world.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 00:14:15
Right, so Falcao is out of the WC. Plenty of time to negotiate his move to Arsenal now, right eds?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 08:04:55
There's wibble wibble nothing wrong with me lol.

right I got to go, have to take my Scandanavian dinosaur to get her nails manicured.
Where did I put her lead?

Agree0 Disagree0

We love injured players at Arsenal so yeah why not? A one legged £49m player will do wonders!

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 09:38:11
Loving that reply Greeny. :-)

Agree0 Disagree0

03 Jun 2014 23:26:13
Is there anything wrong with Dags that £500,000 worth of psychiatry wouldn't put right?
Discuss

Believable0 Unbelievable0

I'll put forward some money. Think we'll need closer to a mil though

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 07:37:54
Apart from the fact he was born at an early age and walks with his feet close to the ground I think he's alright.

Agree0 Disagree0

I think Dags would be really appreciative of us thinking about his mental state.

Unfortunately, he hasn't got one.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 10:37:16
I did post a reply to you bunch of society misfits but its in the post above, lol.

That kind of proves your point really, lol.

Agree0 Disagree0

03 Jun 2014 23:51:23
Im sure if Cesc goes to Chelsea and it does look likely, maybe he will get Franks shirt, then gooners will get over it, we did RVP, move on I say

Believable0 Unbelievable0

04 Jun 2014 01:10:50
I thought it was already 'FACT'? ;)

I tend to agree with you though. On our list of most important priorities for the summer, Cesc would be pretty low on that list.

Agree0 Disagree0

04 Jun 2014 08:45:33
I agree G95 BUT if we have the cash, I say do it.

Agree0 Disagree0