Arsenal Banter Archive September 10 2016

10 Sep 2016 18:51:26
Eds random question not specifically arsenal related.

We've seen transfer fees go through the roof in recent years, largely due to the influx of money into the sport. (I'm going to leave the prem tv deal out of this as it complicates things in my opinion) oil money from the Arab states and Russia, Chinese state money now and big American business money the main sources at a glance.

So prices went through the roof, because there wasn't the quantity of truly elite players around to satisfy the new demand. So my question is, why haven't clubs dramatically scaled up their youth systems to try and produce a larger quantity of elite players? Or have they? I understand things take time and genetics and general talent have a say in the end product of a youth academy, but with the money on offer for players, selling clubs like Everton, Porto, benfica etc have made huge sums of money (I hear Everton is debt free now? Is that still true? )
Why don't we see the brand names of football like arsenal, man utd etc investing more in grass roots football?, because to me there's serious money to be made!

I'm basing all this on just my observations of what I see in my local area and through general football reading, so it may be a twisted view, literally was just curious though.

Cheers in advance.

{Ed025's Note - some still do gav, everton for example have a great youth policy and have made players like rooney and stones to a certain extent household names and its helped with financing the club, some wont take the chance as academy,s can be very costly to run and its a bit of a gamble but i think it can only help in the development of young players especially english to enhance the national side mate..

10 Sep 2016 22:21:58
I think England should pay clubs for the use of their players during tournaments say £1 million performance, this would encourage teams to produce players for the national side as a team that could produce 5 players who played 5 games at a finals would receive a £25 million bonus.
This could be funded by a levy on the TV money the premier league brings in meaning instead of each club receiving £80 million they got £75 each million with the FA receiving the other £100 million.
If a team produced 1 England player they would break even and be quids in if they produced 2, perfect? No but with some fine tuning and tweaking it could be.

11 Sep 2016 11:12:39
62 - I agree but who would have been paid for Carrick, Terry, Cole, lampard etc? Utd and Chelsea or Hammers and us?
It's not always the producers who have them at the height of their career.

11 Sep 2016 09:57:19
Cheers ed and g62.

Everton and Southampton for me in recent years have carried the youth academy torches.

Southampton from what I understand, with proper business management and attention to detail of the super ceo chap who was there turned their whole club around through academy investment.

I know very little about youth football but I do remember reading some time ago that Barcelona had nurtured dos Santos as a player to be sold to help finance the others developments, as he wasn't thought to have a long term future at the club.

Since writing this, real madrid's shop window environment popped into my head. €20million for di maria, isco, higuan etc then sell for €50-60million seems to be serving them well as a second revenue stream. Dortmund seem to average a pretty successful set up too.

When the wealth bubble pops in this sport there isn't half going to be some worried faces I imagine!

{Ed025's Note - and that time will come gav, the future has to be the young guys we nurture and im happy that everton seem to be doing that, but you have to give these youngsters a chance in the first team and blood them in properly, the likes of the bigger clubs seem content to buy foreign and the youngsters overlooked but hopefully this will change and a crop of really good home grown talent can flourish..

11 Sep 2016 17:11:01
Good question SY I'd have thought the easy and fairest way would be for either the fee paid to reflect the players potential for playing in finals or the selling clubs to negotiate a percentage of any funds earned,
John Stones will potentially win 100 England caps and may play in say 7 tournament finals wity an average of 4 games per tournament bringing in 28 million, so it depend on the deal Everton did with Barnsley and again the deal city did with Everton at the time of signing.

11 Sep 2016 18:14:05
It's a fair point with the wanting instant success you make ed. I can't really see why with the revenue streams clubs have they can't do both though personally. I guess they probably will with the tv deal now.

It seems like everyone knows, and has known for a while, that the breakaway league is coming and they want to get into the "elite clubs group" before the real polarisation of money starts. Those who invest heavily and don't make the grade will be thoroughly screwed I'd imagine.

I hope football doesn't get that lame.

{Ed025's Note - i hope so too gav but it seems like the have,s and have not,s gap is getting wider mate..

11 Sep 2016 19:14:33
I think a European or world league would be the end of football in a few short years, and also think some clubs who might be rubbing their hands now might find thier not as big a part of the plan as others would have them believe right now and would shortly after any breakaway find themselves extremely expendable.

12 Sep 2016 11:51:41
On the subject of using the youth ed, are you as surprised as I am that Galloway got loaned out? I think he showed last season that he has potential to be a good full back in the PL, I guess Koeman decided that he's more of a a useful reliable full back for a mid table team as opposed to a great full back for a eeurope-hopeful team?

OR maybe i'm just forgetting that even nowadays clubs do send players on loan with their development being the genuine interest (not just for shop window purposes) and perhaps he'll be used in the future.

{Ed025's Note - im hoping it is just for experience TPG, i think galloway has the potential to be a really good full back or center half, the thing is that we are quite strong in those area,s at the present and at least he is getting game time which will benefit him for the future mate..

10 Sep 2016 17:30:04
Thank you dags for putting the mockers on harry Kane again, as the classy spurs smashed stoke away and are sitting lovely in the top 4 again tonight.

10 Sep 2016 18:45:55
Wow, a Spurs fan getting excited too early again, that's a first!

10 Sep 2016 21:51:47
Raver,
If your lovemaking is like your footy predictions, you must be 'done' before you even get to the top of the stairs mate.

Thought you would have learned your lesson last season :-)

10 Sep 2016 22:26:26
He did he is not yet bothering is with stories about Subaru driving☺☺☺.

10 Sep 2016 22:33:27
Dags, Charlie sheen, hugh Heffner Peter Stringfellow have nothing on the raver, I'm like a Duracell bunny I go on all night mate.

11 Sep 2016 08:08:57
Yes mate, you are probably as well equipped as a Duracell Bunny too :-)

11 Sep 2016 17:48:27
I'm more equipped than black beauty and red rum dags.

{Ed025's Note - hung like a mouse i bet.. :)

11 Sep 2016 18:14:44
No Raver,
You smell like Black Beauty and Red Rum mate :-)

12 Sep 2016 12:12:24
raver, heard you're cirumcised aswell.

10 Sep 2016 14:37:59
Plenty pace in the frontline - Ozil has plenty of options
Surprised Coq starts.

10 Sep 2016 14:26:25
Certainly not convinced by the M City keeper Bravo.

10 Sep 2016
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10 Sep 2016 08:57:31
It is really strange that on an Arsenal sight, you are ridiculed or people disagree with you if you're being optimistic or if you try to think positive about our Club's chances. Why should an Arsenal fan label another gooner as deluded just because i happen to believe that we can win the league? .

Even on Arsenal fan TV the people who ridicule the Club get more airtime and are lauded as level headed, even though these people regurgitate the same thing over and over. So am deluded if i have hope that we can win the title and look forward to the ride ahead, while the person who constantly moans and throws in the towel after only 3 games is the one who is level headed? . There is something fundamentally wrong with that.

We have a chance this season, just like every other big side to win the league. We have a strong and big squad, we have quality and cover in every position.

Sorry for the rant but i get it that some fans have lost faith in Wenger's ability to win the title and they are justified. I just get riled up when they try and spoil it for the rest of us who believe, and label us deluded for believing that we have a chance.

10 Sep 2016 10:24:20
Great post mate.

10 Sep 2016 10:30:12
Everyone is entitled to their opinion Positive mate wether it's optimistic pessimistic or realistic is for others to decide.
Personally I find it bizarre that people are predicting big things for a 27 year od player they have never seen play and never even heard of a couple of weeks ago and find it even more bizarre that they get upset when people who won't agree with thier excitement without foundation and dismiss them as being negative.
To each their own mate and if we all agreed on everything all the time what would there be to discuss?

10 Sep 2016 10:59:08
It's not the differing opinion so much as the bitter negativity of some who must just spend their whole life moaning.

I further have not seen anyone believing that Perez will be the next big thing but simply getting behind a player who now plays for Arsenal.

I personally think the more negative posters have no real argument just bitterness because they hate Wenger and that's invariably what they spout.

But like you say 62, each to there own, if that's how they chose to support the players, team and manager, good luck to them.

10 Sep 2016 11:25:39
Positive and 62 - you both bring up great points and I would hate a site where everyone agrees. I like being challenged and I like reading different opinions.

There are negative posters who just moan about Wenger about everything to nothing. He's wrong if he does or wrong if he doesn't. They don't contribute at all but they are entitled to their views

On Perez - he has a lot of skills we need. Wenger has been chasing him a while, other clubs also. He knows where the net is and based on a number of experts, he sounds like he will score goals and give us a plan A or B.

Even Malaga likes him and he hates Wenger

The main thing for me - we have addressed our weaknesses - that's great and so surely we should be positive.

10 Sep 2016 10:59:08
It's not the differing opinion so much as the bitter negativity of some who must just spend their whole life moaning.

I further have not seen anyone believing that Perez will be the next big thing but simply getting behind a player who now plays for Arsenal.

I personally think the more negative posters have no real argument just bitterness because they hate Wenger and that's invariably what they spout.

But like you say 62, each to there own, if that's how they chose to support the players, team and manager, good luck to them.

10 Sep 2016 11:25:39
Positive and 62 - you both bring up great points and I would hate a site where everyone agrees. I like being challenged and I like reading different opinions.

There are negative posters who just moan about Wenger about everything to nothing. He's wrong if he does or wrong if he doesn't. They don't contribute at all but they are entitled to their views

On Perez - he has a lot of skills we need. Wenger has been chasing him a while, other clubs also. He knows where the net is and based on a number of experts, he sounds like he will score goals and give us a plan A or B.

Even Malaga likes him and he hates Wenger

The main thing for me - we have addressed our weaknesses - that's great and so surely we should be positive.

10 Sep 2016 11:39:07
G62 mate I Understand that mate and I Agree with you on Everything . I don't think people are predicting big things for Perez, I think we are hoping for big things from him and some are more optimistic than Others. What is wrong about Hoping that an Arsenal Player does well?

10 Sep 2016 12:14:09
Red dog and call me positive just remember who told you so lol when your dreams end up in smoke lol. That feeling of I told you so is what puts some people's emotions back together "we didn't win the league but at least I was right" or "my team don't win but I know more about the game than others".

I don't personally understand anyone who doesn't get behind the team and they are a different type of supporter than me. I like hearing alternive opinions but only once not repeated every other post. But that's my opinion and I think I've said it at least 5 times now lol.

10 Sep 2016 13:21:20
Completely agree, yes opinions will differ but like you say there are different breeds of supporters, some get behind the team and some can't wait for us to fail so they can be right.

But it does being good bants ;)

10 Sep 2016 14:01:55
Yes agree with you all there are some really shallow people on here who can't respect peoples opinions and don't think people might think different to them. Like I say respect opinion but you don't have to agree.