Arsenal Banter Archive May 20 2017

20 May 2017 22:19:20
Hello eds. I know you are already getting sick of the Usmanov questions but may I ask if you have any idea if he will be back with a second bid to Kroenke? I can see that everyone is getting excited but once you answer this question I think it will summarise/ conclude the whole drama. Thank you guys.

{Ed002's Note - My understanding is that Mr Kroke doesn't wish to sell up at this time.}

20 May 2017 22:37:36
Thank you ed for clearing that up. I know you have seen that their have been rumours since yesterday that usmanov will be back with a second bid, do you have any idea if kroenke can be convinced to sell? The amount of money being rumoured for a second bid is a huge sum mate.

{Ed002's Note - I would not worry about any rumoured amounts.}

20 May 2017 23:03:53
So if we are being blunt and realistic, is it fair to say that Usmanov will not be buying arsenal? Thanks ed btw, lol I'm doing you a favour so that you don't have to explain twice.

{Ed002's Note - No, his plan was always to do that - this has been explained before.}

21 May 2017 10:17:57
Ed what you just said is a bit confusing, Are you disagreeing with me buying so "no he wants to buy arsenal" or are you agreeing with me saying "no his plan was to put a bid in, he was never going to buy arsenal"? I really am sorry mate, I'm not trying to take the piss.

{Ed002's Note - His plan was always to buy Arsenal - that has been explained over and over. Right now Kronke has no plans to sell. This is extremely simple and I am not sure why you are struggling with it.}

20 May 2017 14:15:04
Ed,

I know there have already been comments on the subject, but can you address the Ushmanov bid? Likelihood of success? How serious is he? Could there be a second bid?

We have as owners two of the richest men in the world, yet some how, we don't have the ressources to go for world class players.

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It is simple. An offer has been made to SK but it has been declined. I am not sure how you associate the wealth of the owners with Arseal not buying the "world class" players you want.}

20 May 2017 14:42:25
Arsenal alex, it isn't that we don't have the resources to buy top players, it is against Wenger's beliefs to run a football club in such a manner and Kroenke to his credit allows his manager a free hand in such issues. i'm sure if Wenger asked for say £200m to send on players, then the club would come forth.

20 May 2017 17:43:53
It's going to be one of the most if not the most pivotal summers in the clubs history. Stan is not far behind abramhovic in the billionaire stakes and usmanov is 4 billion richer than abramhovich their combined wealth is far superior to the Chelsea owner and slightly above city's owner (although the city owners family wealth dwarfs the lot ) so with things as they are it's a case of does kronke allow Wenger free reign of the company debit card? Or does Wenger have it but not use it? Is the company debit card only for ranches and American football stadiums. Are we an investement or are we a play thing. The way it is seen in general is that for kronke it's good business and for usmanov it's billionaire bragging rights. He has the worlds biggest yacht does he want to have the worlds biggest club? I think he does and if he's serious he will make an offer Stan can't refuse and walk away with his held high knowing that in the business world he's done good business! As it stands there is no point usmanov throwing money at the club because he has no say and any sucsess from that would increase club value and make it a more expensive purchase.

20 May 2017 18:08:24
For me and for most of the fans, kronke is not in it for football reasons, uzminov is. Sy said he didn't want a billionaire owner running our club, well we have one already and he's not bothered about football issues, he's not an arsenal fan, he's an arsenal worth fan. The other billionaire wants success at arsenal on the field. Not a statement that has ever come out of kronks mouth.

20 May 2017 18:29:31
It's definitely a pivotal moment, if we don't make Champions League and we do lose the likes of Sanchez how easy will it be to get back in the top 4 as United have found.

Does what is a £2 billion club become worth less because of the above. Is now as good a time as any to sell whatever we hear right now from Kroenke.

He knows Usmanov's worth and that within reason he can go higher. Does it also bring as yet unknown potential buyers into the equation.

We now not only wait on Wenger but Kroenke as well. I guess it will tell us how serious Usmanov is too.

My initial excitement is now back down to a heavy sigh!

20 May 2017 18:29:38
Your right steve the pair are worth 21 billion between them.

20 May 2017 19:05:25
I'm with you 100% Stoner, we wait on either or both Arsene and Stan to leave Arsenal before anything of note is going to change.
Unfortunately the odds are not looking good on either so it's pretty much as we were.

20 May 2017 19:38:05
I agree we all know the outcome but maybe uzminov does have another ace up his sleeve. We live in hope.

20 May 2017 20:49:06
Both are billionaires but like Ed states - why is that linked to Arsenal's spending power. Both have a philosophy of a club spending within their own means. Why should owners invest like cuty and Chelsea? I can't stand owners like that as they turn the EPL into a playground for the rich.?

Usinov (spelling ) sounds like he would demand more, have more interest and would have financed the stadium debt very differently but doesn't sound like he would throw the needed 500m to sort the squad out over the next 3 years.

I am happy wit him the guy running the club but want our values to remain but set higher expectations on the manager

That's my point Steve.

{Ed002's Note - Owners are restricted in the amount of money they can give to clubs beyond what the club earns.}

20 May 2017 20:55:23
Interesting quotes from AW

"Of course we can need help to become better. I am always open to open that. I am always open to things that improve the quality and the future of the club. After that, you have to see if it’s really efficient because the titles do not always make you better. ”.

20 May 2017 21:35:49
Titles don't make you better?
Have I read that right SY?
Does he mean giving people titles or other clubs winning titles?

20 May 2017 21:56:09
Sy you are stuck in the past. Clubs are not run like that anymore, they have to balance the books like every one. It hoe you spend it that's the secret.

20 May 2017 22:04:20
Ed how did that work for Chelsea and city when they were first purchased. Both far smaller clubs than arsenal are now and tiny revenues in comparison but still spent ridicules amounts on players! Are the laws different now? Not bitching just wanting clarification because Chelsea were a top half club and city were a yoyo club spending as much time in the championship.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea were in the Champions League when Mr A purchased the club. Arsenal were then and remain valued higher than both clubs. FFP came in some years ago. I have no idea why you are whining. Arsenmal are more than comfortably off and yet you want to make it about someone else - it is embarrassing.}

20 May 2017 22:17:45
Steve - have old fashioned values but know the world changes. If you stand still.

62 - hopefully it's job titles which makes sense.

20 May 2017 22:24:28
Sy its not the old fashioned values but the ideas about sugar daddies that's old fashioned. Clubs have to balance the books whoever owns them. Its how the club is run that is the secret.

20 May 2017 22:53:48
I do apologise ed. I did state that I wasn't bitching in my comment I was hoping that you would inform me as I didn't have a clue as to how things work mate. Sorry if it was unclear in my post 👍🏻.

{Ed002's Note - Don't worry. The bottom line is that FFP came in to try and level the playing field but there is so much additional money in the EPL now it doesn't help too much.}

20 May 2017 23:08:59
Thanks SY mate I'm sure you're right, but the fact we have to even consider he might have meant the other option says a lot about the stuff Arsene comes​ out with, he's no stranger to own unique take in what amounts to success or even a trophy come to that :-)

20 May 2017 23:25:52
62 - I had to read the title bit twice as initially I was hung up on titles and "wtf"! Ha ha :)

Will the fourth star be shining on us tomorrow or will she turn her back as we don't appreciate her or have relied on good fortune once too often 🤞.

21 May 2017 12:17:26
Nearly all big business have big loans in one way or another, that's how it works, you borrow to go forward. Its nothing new.

19 May 2017 22:57:41
Eds"002 I know you are sick of answering this, but since it is being reported in The Telegraph I thought maybe something has changed.

Has Wenger agreed to sign a 2 year deal after the FA Cup?

If you can't answer yet, to preempt 100 questions about this later on from people, can I also ask if you would post if you do get clarification?

Thank you once again!

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any agreement just yet but as I have said it is likley he will be staying now. I suspect that this matter and another will become clearer on May 30 or soon after.}

20 May 2017 12:22:58
I believe negotiations are going on between Wenger and the board in relation to Wenger staying, which may include the length of any deal, employing a director of football, transfer policy as I believe Gazidis wants more investment in players. Howeverm I still think PSG come into the equation, possibly as manager or as a director of football?

20 May 2017 12:38:04
Derby can you please start with the KDB posts again because I found them a lot better than the PSG one 😷.

20 May 2017 12:48:47
Would Stan sell for £10 billion? Yes
Would he sell for 10p? No
So it's the price somewhere between the two that he's offered that will decide who owns Arsenal this August.
Stans a money man with no personal attachment to Arsenal football club while Usmanov? Time will tell but from what I've read on here Usmanov has the money to make it happen without a problem so it's the depth of his passion that's in question not the depth of his pockets, from what I've read that is!

20 May 2017 14:24:29
The power is with Kronke. He doesn't have to do anything sadly. can't see him selling to Usmanov, but if he did consider selling he would definitely invite others to bid against Usmanov, as you never sell an asset to a single bid, two buyers are needed to set the price.

20 May 2017 14:30:27
What was the psg posts sanogo. Kdb has been a fine signing and surely put the ozil debate to bed.

20 May 2017 16:06:10
Ed002 thank you for the reply. Wasn't sure if I would get one given how harassed you are over this particular subject.

Just wondering if you can clarify your answer a little with regard to the 'other matter' you mentioned? Is this to do with :-

1. The Director of Football people are taking about possibly coming in?
2. Allegri maybe saying something about his contract at Juventus (or even Simeone) ?
3. The job that Gazidis is going for?

Sorry if you don't want to be pushed further on these things. I thought I would ask in case you could say a bit more, I can only guess based on what you have said already.

Thank you :)

{Ed002's Note - It is not a matter worth going in to at this time.}

20 May 2017 18:30:53
RGs PSG post derby.

20 May 2017 11:02:53
Stan and wenger obviously won't go without a sit in and gun fight but hopefully this is the start of a process that will ultimately lead to a real change, not the probable no real change that's being touted. I hope usminov can either wrest control fairly quickly and smoothly because I don't think the fans en bloc like him or his ideas. I don't think he will think about the fans at all, only himself but i'm sure if he becomes stubborn stan the fans may remind him he's not welcome. Will he listen or will he hide away in his american ranch and make us suffer.

20 May 2017 09:45:43
Tomorrow will be a difficult day, as I can't see anything other than a Liverpool and Man City win, whilst we have a tricky match against Everton. I hope I'm wrong! I am looking forward to the cup final, as we stand a chance of lifting a trophy, which would cap off a difficult season.
In respect of Wenger, I can't say I like the way he has handled himself, leaving the club in a confused state over whether he is staying. In addition allowing Ox, Ozil and Sanchez's contracts to run down to a year is criminal. Personally I would sell Ox and Ozil f they won't sign an extended deal, but I would be tempted to take a gamble on Sanchez by holding him to the last yer of his deal, unless we can get afee well in excess of £50m or do a swop deal to bring in quality replacement. let's do our bit and support the team tomorrow.