Arsenal Banter Archive February 08 2014

 

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08 Feb 2014 23:34:31
Walcott, Rambo and Flammini were big misses today! As were gibbs and Podolski who should be starting in my opinion.

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08 Feb 2014 23:21:58
I've stayed away today for the sake of my own sanity, but today was a game of spirit and confidence.

Our was obviously fragile as we've been winning for two months playing poorly; when the first two went in the confidence drained and the fear paralysed us. We bottled it.

We do have the players, arteta, ozil and giroud today let themselves down, they should now pull themselves together and concentrate on 4 games at home in a row.

This one hurt, because we got smashed - but if we can bounce back we are in the mix - but Wenger in the transfer window for me has been poor and indecisive, and we are short of strikers big time

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08 Feb 2014 23:12:38
Arsene Wenger is THE best thing that ever happend to Arsenal football club .
Argue for or against that but the best things that have ever happend to our club have happend on his watch on and off the field .
Some of us remember pre Arsene Arsenal
Our only ever CL/ European cup final is under?
The invincibles built by who?
Who is our second best ever manager?
How good was his teams compared to Arsene's?
How is his record compared to Arsene's?

Whats that saying, be careful what you wish for?

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Here here
sign lord wenger up
Wenger is a top man who would replace him,
welsh gooner

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G62,
I think everyone on the page will agree that Wenger is the best thing to have happened for Arsenal ever.

But, the thing with him is that you can clearly divide his career into two sections - the successful years until 2005, then the trophyless years from then up until now.

This is because he hasn't evolved as a manager.

He refuses to change his tactics at all - employing the same game plan against literally every single other team we play.

This is turned him into a manager, who I fear, can only get Arsenal into the top 4, because people like Mourinho will always be 1 step ahead of him.

People moan about his transfer policy etc. but I think there is a greater problem in his actual management of tactics in big games.

For example, yesterday - he could have set us up to really keep it watertight in the opening 15 mins and make it our absolute priority to not concede, then break and grow into the game.

But, we came out without any recognisable plan and were blown away by an albeit exceptional attacking force.

I'm all for Wenger staying in, but he needs to change for us to become serious big players again.

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Hear what you're saying G62.

I have been fortunate enough to have been a season ticket holder since 94' and went and watched many games prior to that from the mid 80's (can't go any further back as too young!).

Without doubt AW has been great for us in so many ways (with being so influential in the building of the emirates and teams he created, style of play, etc he has succeed Herbert Chapman imo).

I have my frustrations with wenger though, but I do recognise what he has done for us (I have some insight as my brother has worked in the financial dept. at AFC for about the past 12 years, so I know a little about how financially things have been tight, until recently).

I hope the team can respond and go on another run now- is it possible? Yes absolutely- I just hope AW can pick the team up and our season doesn't implode though- our biggest fear.

Whatever happens this season, the summer will be most telling for me- we all know we need a top class CF and someone like Lars Bender as well could make a big difference to this team.

AW deserves a change to create a competitive team, where he no longer has to look to sell players and has good money to spend in the TM.

He proved when we were still at Highbury what he was capable of as a manger- can he do that again, now he doesn't have one hand tied around his back?

That is the big question. Or will he turn out like Winston Churchill, great war time leader (or building of the emirates and taking us through huge financial upheaval etc) but not such a good peace time leader (now having the money to spend to build a competitive team).

I think next season we will start to get some answers.

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Putney I must admit I am frustrated by some of Arsene tactics and decisions too, his stubbornness in the past has made me doubt his capability to change with the modern game.
But I have felt this season he has been prepared to change, defensively solid, more prepared to concede possession and hit teams on the break as well as dominate games too

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LG your bang on this summer is Arsene's biggest ever, if he gets it right happy days if he doesn't its going to be a long long season 2014/15

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08 Feb 2014 22:16:31
Ok so I am admittedly a Wenger lover but c'mon let's not be arrogant out there - we have certain league winners and some up and comers - if he does not play Rosicky, Podolski and Gibbs when healthy then he thinks we are better than we are - these are the gritty fighters to get the job done!

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Red
i was suprised that gibbs didn't start, I think monreal looked shell shocked.
ox has had a good game last week, but I was disapointed podoski did start,
But we will recover we have a difficult time
time for the fans to stand together and show our spirt
Welsh gooner
in Lord Wenger I trust

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08 Feb 2014 22:10:36
Hi guys new to posting but been reading and enjoying site for 2 years. I used to watch team regularly but circumstances changed meaning I am a tv and internet supporter usually now. I would just like to add my views. First of all I have always and still do think we are only top 4. Why. Well giroud is the worst striker we've had since kev cambell. Would not make bench for any top team. We haven't got a proper winger left or right. When was the last time we actually showed a turn of foot and got behind. We send the right and left back forward and when did sagna actually miss the player and get a cross in. The balance is so wrong that's why ozil isn't flourishing he's got no one to hit behind. Who really is the holding midfielder technically very good but lacking true strength. And finally tactically we are not top three. It has been mentioned why didn't we break the bank to get a striker in January. Wenger is reactive not proactive. Improve from strength not weakness.

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08 Feb 2014 22:18:17
i've been thinking about this since I went to villa last season away, and I think there might be some mileage in some of my theory

not saying its complete by any means but here goes

it was a rant about the lack of respect the bus and team show to the fans queuing for signatures I remember mid 80's where you could shake hands with a player many a time i've shook hands with many of the arsenal team home and away

but well here goes my theory is we rock up 60 mins before the match or plan to usually is this too short a time to go through pre game rituals warm up at their leisure and calm the pre game nerves, last few games we appear to be really pushing the 60 mins only have to look at southampton 31 mins before kick off liverpool today 51 mins before kick off.

maybe its go nothing to do with it but I travel to a lot of away games and am shocked how late the bus turns up, sad I know the times but when you have a raving mad gooner aged 9 in the family it doesn't feel so bad to be soaked in the pouring rain 2 hrs before game waiting for a glimpse of the arsenal

just thought i'd bring it up much like the physio scenario at arsenal we were never brilliant under gary lewin but christ he leaves and its like we're training on a bed of nails and in a warzone with live rounds - no disrespect to the forces I love them the most but our training regime has to be brutal its the only reason for the injuries that or they are made of glass

i'm hoping today is a freak of a result with majority of the blame on injuries and arriving late IMHO

i'm now praying to the footie gods we let the backlash lose on Manchester United sorry I should show respect manwho lol

well we all now the effect they have on our team I just hope we go at them from the warmup we need a statement of a result

then maybe a little payback on saturday - I know pool saying today was the big one but well i'd hardly call it the big one but listening to the press pool have won it citeh have stalled and we're in the river having fallen from the bridge with chelski hanging there by a thread

people end of the day there have been many twists this season and I think 13 games to go there will be a couple more for sure

we're in the running but we have to wake from forget today and believe

COYFG

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08 Feb 2014 20:47:07
Banter please Ed's.

Liverpool fan here in peace,

I'm not going to talk about the game today. I do however want to say a big thank you to you Gooners!

The way you have acted gracefully today and towards us all season in fact is a breath of fresh air.

I have a lot of time and respect for you guys!

Chin up guys

Btw, do us all a favour and win the league if we don't :)

Take care

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I'm one of the fans that wasn't gracious in defeat, but since I've calmed down (just) is like to say, fair play you deserved to win and we had it coming.

And we will try to win the league for yous ;)

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After todays turn up i'm concerned about winning again if they play like that, no disrespect you guys played well but I can't help feeling we contributed significantly to our downfall

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08 Feb 2014 22:05:43
Another Liverpool fan in peace.
Would much rather you guys win the league than Chelsea!

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Here here Bennett jr mate, the gooners fans on the whole are a class act!

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Thanks Bennett, true gentleman.

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Let's face we were beaten in every area of the pitch today plain and simple, we were awful and came up against a side that were at thier best.

I've said all season that if we don't win it I liked to see Liverpool win it just for Sir Alex, haha!

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08 Feb 2014 20:36:38
I'm trying really hard to be positive right now. Thinking of the situation that being second. A point behind the leaders. Having to play the leaders (all be it away from home ) having to play man city at home. Liverpool having to play both city and Chelsea at Anfield. But I'm struggling to believe we can turn it on against the top teams. We havnt for the last few seasons consistently so why would we now. Wenger saying there are questions to be asked is bang on. And what do people make of this comment from Wenger
"It raises questions that we have to answer on Wednesday night. I still think we can win the league because mathematically it is possible."

Because it's mathematically possible we can win the league? Is he admitting the team/squad isn't strong enough and yes it's mathematically possible to win it's highly unlikely.

You would think that Silent Stan being in the crowd today could be the only positive. Not that he knows F*** all about soccer, excuse me football. Any owner with an ounce of desire to win would demand strengening. You can be the won't be at the Emirates on Wednesday. If we lose ( I did say if ) he won't want to be there because the fans will show there distaste as they did post deafeat to Aston villa.

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08 Feb 2014 20:15:37
Just like to add that I think a major problem we have against the big clubs, is in my opnion AW does not let our players go at it from the off.we lack belief.In a couple of games when we have done this i.e.Napoli and Liverpool at home.we were totally dominant.Also I agree with the text
about Poldi being first choice, no disrespect to Olly.
Heybridge Gooner

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08 Feb 2014 19:47:15
Can anyone tell me how many world class players we have at Arsenal. I don't think we have any, and I have also never said this before, I think it is time for Wenger to go.

Limerick Gunner.

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We were top of the league this morning and there is nothing to say by Wednesday night we won't be again, let's not start all this crap again.

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You've got Messi and Ranaldo who are class above then you have the very best of the rest.
Mesut Ozil was that when he arrived
The worlds undisputed king of assists
The whole of them premier league were gob smacked when we signed him
We couldn't believe we had himwhat has changed? Us!
Bergkamp wasn't an instant hit when he arrived, give the bloke a chance.
If he left us in the summer he would be a traitor! We can't have it both ways

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Nobody showed their "world-class" today, but it doesn't deny the fact that we have world class players and world class potential on our team.

World Class: Ozil
Soon-to-be: Ramsey

I do think Wenger missed out in the transfer market. This summer we need a young and exceptional center defensive mid and world class striker.

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We have many class players I think world class is thrown around to easily, world class is pele, best, eusabio beckenbaur cryff bergkamp henry

not many of the players proposed as world class are fit to lace their boots

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I think it shows how much we miss Ramsey and Walcott

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LFC fan here Limerick. You may have missed out in the Jan transfer window( so did We) but outside of City, you've played the best football, been top of the league and had the best start in the Premier League for quite a while!

Arsenal in previous seasons have started poorly and finished strong.

All bodes well for you guys this season!

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Nicky D
thank you for your honest coments, I don't think we will struggle.to get 3rd/4th
i never realy beleaved we had a chance of any higher.we like liverpool are building, (with very little money)
We where outclassed on the day by a very good side
Welsh gooner

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08 Feb 2014 19:46:45
Just a thought, after the 3-1 to Villa we went on a long unbeaten run.

After we lost to Manchester United we went on a good run again. After losing 6-3 to Man City we won something like 7/8 games out of nine barely conceding a goal.

So, I guess in adversity again we rise up and go on another unbeaten run starting with a massive 3pts on Wednesday.

Bring on Mata, RVP and Rooney. Seasons are defined by how teams respond to setbacks.

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Good point Greeny, If there is anything about them as professionals, individually and collectively they should play like there possessed by the devil. I'm actually quite pleased we've got united on Wednesday. No better occasion to put in a performance, and if we get beat it answers a lot of questions as to where we're at, and will confirm to others what they've been saying all along.
Flybo

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Agreed Flybo.

By 10pm Wednesday the critics will have officially ruined us out of the title race or we'l be back in the hunt!

I pray it's the latter.

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08 Feb 2014 19:42:01
Ozil is a world class player. Fact.
German player of the year and most assists in world football over a 2 year period who such players as Ronaldo were upset to lose. I watch most arsenal games and he simply creates a lot of opportunities from nothing. And he does have pace in abundance as well as brilliant vision, touch, skill and technique. As I say, Germanys best player, who is better than Silva. You just need people behind him that allows him to play and one in front who can actually shoot. Maybe bendner haha.

Not even Ronaldo would have changed todays game. I believe arteta is a liability, and mertesacker is too slow, his positioning makes him above most teams but against world class players you need more than that.

Giroud I believe would be a good back up striker when you should be resting a world class striker which you haven't got. And I don't know what podolski has done to Wenger? I think he's a quality player. I also prefer gibbs to monreal. Quite often I felt you didn't have anything protecting the defence. So you need a quality dm who's better than flamini, so flamini is back up. A world class striker and cd. Possibly a new rb.as sagna seems to be declining.

just my opinion of course and arsenal are my second team.

you are still second by 1 point I think 17 points better than last year. Heads up lads, wengers done well getting through the stadium being paid off. You'll be fine challenging this season and the trophies will come next season with bug buys.

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I think you forget about BFG and KOS we marked SAS out of the game at the emirates, and we categorically outplayed them pretty much how they did today

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08 Feb 2014 19:37:27
After todays result Wednesday is a must win game, not only to win but to win in style.As the Dagenham Gooner as already said we have lost two players that were scoring goals, but AW chose not to buy, the window has closed and brackets(WE)must live with the consequences if there are any.I think todays game was a alround bad performance and from what I have seen the scoreline could have been worst.Just like to mention Ozil.We paid a lot of money for him and I know it takes time to gel.but the next couple of months are massive and I would like to see him take the game by the scruff of the neck and impress his class on the game, because so far we have only seen glimpses of what he can do.If we don't bounce back strong.we just might be running around Carrow Road celebrating Champions League spot, which in my opinion is not just good enough.Just one last thing, if it all goes horribly wrong do you see AW pressing to sign the new contract or do you feel the board might think enough is enough.Any thoughts anyone on the scoreline Wednesday.
Heybridge Gooner

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Without getting in to the 'transitional' mantra, and 'lack of finance' spiel. I do question if Wenger still knows what it takes to win a league. He doesn't adapt and doesn't change tactics depending on the opposition. He believes his 'philosphy' can conquer all on every occasion. I hate Mourinho, but he is a master tactician.

Also one of the things that has changed about Wenger, is I remember a time in the early years where if you wanted a manager to spend 5m 10m etc, you wanted it to be Wenger. Now I'm not so sure

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If there is any justice and if the soo called law of averages evens out you will get lots of bad luck every game and slide down the table. Another season without a trophy coming at ya.

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Spot on Flybo. I can't stand mourinho but look what he did in January with the acquisition of Matic. It's as though he got him in specifically for the game against city to nullify yaya toure which he did superbly. It's signings like that which win titles.

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I'm a lpool fan but spurski you just sound like an evertonian, bitter at your better rivals, Arsenal as a club andcfans show you up in every department!

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Spurski - forever in our shadow so jog on

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08 Feb 2014 19:32:32
Ok so our worse fears come true we lose to utd (again) liverpool knock us out of the cup, Bayern take us apart over two legs, we loose to both city and Chelski and only draw away to spurs and Everton.
Despair is plentiful.
But
Aaron returns, Flamini keeps himself available, we get back to avoiding banana skins in our other matches and finish on 80 + points for the first time in how long?
Bare in mind I'm painting proberly the worst case scenario here how bad would our season really have been compared to recent years?

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08 Feb 2014 19:22:50
Banter please Eds,

After going to see '12 years a slave' at my local cinema, I now know how it feels to be exploited and robbed of your dignity by ruthless, mercenary overseer's.

I mean, £4.20 for a Pepsi Max, come on.

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I cried more today than in the movie.

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I had a look recently at the list of movies for the best picture oscar and I don't doubt 12 years is a solid fav

i can't believe dallas buyers club is so far out in the betting, another film to really open your eyes and brain to the suffering

we suffered today but end of the day its a game

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08 Feb 2014 18:29:59
Looking on the positive side I'm pretty sure I've managed to bury my Liverpool supporting other half and his two kids without the neighbours seeing.

If I warned them once about whooping and hollering I warned em 5 times!

Also how grateful am I that I didn't off hire that mini digger on Friday ;-)

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How long you got that digger for Jenny? If you can keep it until Thursday it might be handy

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Any chance Jenny you could meet me at work, mind you I think i'm going to need at least 200 diggers been none stop with abuse :(

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08 Feb 2014 17:50:31
I'm not one for knee-jerk posts and I'm not going to start now, but

I'm not going to point the finger at any of the players (well almost), but I think Wenger is to blame.

The team has played heroically this season, thus far, but we needed to freshen up in January window. Why didn't Wenger strengthen? We have lost 2 players who give us a lot of goals, Theo and Ramsey, so why didn't we buy?

I love Giroud but he will not win us the league. I have posted many times before that he is good for the type of game we play, he holds the ball up very well and leads the line for our mids to run past him but until he scores 25/30 per season we won't win anything, except maybe one of the cups.

Ozil. I love the guy and he's a good player but he is not, I repeat, he is not world class.
Ronaldo, Messi, David Silva, Suarez, Aguero are all world class. Why? because they change games, they win you games, they constantly influence games, they win you points from a losing situation. Ozil doesn't do that. I'm not talking about the odd brilliant performance away to Stoke or at home to Crystal Palace, I'm talking game after game after game.

A world class price-tag doesn't mean you are a world class player, and for me, he is not, but hopefully next season.

Positives?

Man City drew and we are 2nd behind Chelsea, so we are still in a healthy position but we have to start performing against the big times and stop bottling like we have done for the past 4 years.

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DG I respect your opinions mate but I think your wrong about Ozil he is world class mate and we will see that next season.
January? Yes we could have done with some class signings and I have to believe we tried to get them but along with others found it difficult to get players mid season, no way would Chelski have sold us Matta.
As for a striker of course we need a top class finisher but who mid season could we have got realistically.
We are all disappointed by today and a bit worried about the coming weeks but hey ho we have always known top 3 would be an improvement to build on I the summer

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Liverpool fan here. I think your spot on with ozil. Don't think he can change a game on his own. It's ok him having the highest assists in last 3 years but look at the players he had to assist. Arsenal don't have the strike force to take the chances. Centre forward needed big time. Unfortunately, think your season is about to unravel, best today, think you will draw against utd. Get beat by us again and if think Bauer will beat you 3 zip in CL which will mean tie over. Might be a nearly season for you guys again. Could be wrong but that's my opinion.

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DG I understand what you're saying about not signing players in the jan win, but (see a reply below to a post by TG).

I can appreciate what you're saying about Ozil also, but I don't fully agree.

Ozil's strength's are his vision, creativity, intelligence, ball control, etc. He can at times be inconsistent, yes go missing and doesn't posses great physical strength. BUT

to quote Mourinho:

"There is no copy of him – not even a bad one. He is the best number 10 in the world. He makes things very easy for his team-mates with his football vision and the decisions he makes".

But I think his strengths rely on other players, particularly players with pace and off the ball movement, etc., (imo). So he is not going to have the same type of impact of the players you mention.

But that doesn't mean he isn't "world class" at what he does best, does it? (in much the same way a player considered world class in these positions gk, cb, def mid, etc that may save you points and influence a game, etc but they might not change a game either in the same way the players you mention can- but can they still be considered world class in where their strengths lay?).

I think Ozil is just another piece of the puzzle and we are still a few pieces missing. I also think he is still adapting to the PL and our system (some players do take longer).

I think we haven't seen the best of him tbh.

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G62 and LG1,

You are probably correct Gents. Guess i'm just pi55ed off about today's result.

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08 Feb 2014 17:37:13
Ok lads and lasses what's done's done we have to move on from today and get ready for Wednesday and the rest of the season, but how?

We look like the seasons catching up with us fast, we have been getting away with not so good performance's for a while now so what would you do to get us going again.
Please not what we should have done in the window as that's done, but how can we turn things back in our favour

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G62,

We have to re-group and pull together as a team.

We have had a few set-backs already this season, Villa home and Man City away and we bounced back, let's hope we do the same again against Utd.

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08 Feb 2014 17:36:25
Avoided coming on here til now as I was far too stunned/angry/frustrated etc.

Didn't see the game and can't bring myself to watch the highlights later. It won't make pretty viewing I'm sure.

Don't really care about playing the blame game. Collectively it wasn't good enough and as other posters have commented, we've not exactly been ripping up trees in games recently. Getting the job done and that's about it in the last few games.

Fair play to Liverpool, they played really well by the sound of it, coupled with being 4-0 after just 20mins which is inexcusable.

Anyways, this does mean however that Weds is literally a no excuses, must win match against Man Utd.

Small mercies: We had a two point game which is now still only a 1pt deficit.

Man City drop more points.

That's it!

Chins up fellow Gooners and Goonerettes!

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Fair points Greeny, good post.

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08 Feb 2014 17:12:46
It's one match. Get it out of your system and move on.

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But it's not "one match". It's every game we've had against teams who would be considered our direct competition for years now.

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Its pretty bad if we had ground out a draw in every big game we lost we would be in a very strong position draw at Man Utd, City and Liverpool and we are 2 points clear of Chelsea and 6 points clear of City. Our top 4 game form is pretty shocking only worrying aspect of our game.

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08 Feb 2014 17:08:38
Some of you shot me down after the transfer window pantomime for again calling for an end to Wenger's clownish behaviour. we had a chance; if we strengthened and I still expect some more defeats coming up now we are facing top opposition.
Hope I am wrong but if not the fans need to finally call for a change

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TG, Arsene ain't going anywhere and the window is closed mate.
Your fighting a losing and lost battle, we are still having a good season so let's enjoy what we can of it, who knows it may we'll prove to be a great one yet

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For whatever reasons we didn't strengthen in the jan win- whether that was down to players AW would've wanted either not being available or not wanting to move or both (world cup year and all that).

Also, I suspect AW already has a short list of players he wants to sign in the summer and is saving his "pot" for them (rather than paying over the odds in the jan win for players which may not have been his first choice anyway).

We simply don't know.


On the whole, is that worthy of AW being sacked? Really?

Personally, I don't think so.

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I hope you are both right and the best happens.

Feel like I've been fighting this losing battle for years
Let's look at this end of the season. If it gets worse it has to be change time.

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08 Feb 2014 16:56:31
Really poor from Arsenal blown away in the first 20 mins, the players really took it easy Mertasacker on the first goal, its the first minute and he allows the ball to run across instead of clearing, and Ozil oh god he played like a player belong to the relegation team, pathetic. Only 2 players get some credit wilshire and the Ox and for some mystery reason again podolski doesn't play.

We could have gone ahead of city after thier boring result today. Got to pick this up against utd.

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08 Feb 2014 16:48:54
From watching us today there are two things that need changing! Zonal marking and allowing teams to come at us! Zonal marking for me doesn't work, surely sitting around an area invites the opposition to attack even more because they have a free run at goal but also how can u stop a centre back charging at his marker leaping I. The air when the marker starts from a static position, it just doesn't work! It's simple just mark your man! Secondly we never apply pressure to teams, we just invite them! Like Liverpool today they never gave us a moment to look up, they pinned us back, this is something we should be doing rather then sitting back, we need to be hungrier! All in all shocking performance, wenger has some explaining but still feel we will beat utd and Liverpool in the return to the emirates! The season is not over!

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I agree. Zonal marking doesn't work. The opposition is still free to move around. It's much more difficult for the opposition to make contact with the ball if a man is next to him, and even if the player loses the man, it's still as if it's zonal marking (if that makes sense). My club team does a mixture of zonal and man marking. We have 1 or 2 playing zone across the six-yard box then we mark up man on man

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Id love to see mert man mark. I mean wed lose by 6 every game but yeah

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08 Feb 2014 16:45:04
gotta say a big shout out to dags, g62 and jenny and anyone else I missed, who as always very gracious in defeat on our page. Dream game for us tbh but I certainly hope ye pick yourselves up for the rest of the season.

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Thanks Simon, we all love our team and want them to win every game but there comes a time when you have to give credit to your opponents and today you deserve all the plaudits that come your way.
Well done again mate, hope you all have horrible hangovers tomorrow :-)

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Pleasure Simon,

You boys smashed us all over the park today and were totally ruthless.

Well deserved win and we wish you all the best for rest of season (after next sunday that is), lol.

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Ha ha g62 the only consolation is when the hangover clears I can look forward to the banter at work monday for a change lol

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08 Feb 2014 16:40:14
Very disappointing and not what we expected.

I don't see the need for pointing fingers.

On the whole, our team has been great this season and have shown a lot of the qualities of which many will undoubtedly criticism them for not having today (if that's the case they have defiantly overachieved, haven't they?).

Liverpool were fired up for this and scored an early goal- I am pretty certain if it was a clean sheet after 15-20 mins, it would've been a different result. Pool' were fantastic today, we weren't at our best- have to take it on the chin and move on.

The season is NOT over- many said "that's it" for us after the city game and ironically we didn't lose another game until today.

Sure we have some big games to play and I hope the team will respond as they have done, in fairness, on every occasion after a defeat this season.

I think many of us know (deep down or otherwise) that we are still 2/3 top players away from being the "real deal" and therefore also recognise how will the team has done so far this season (we are 17 points up on this time last season).

Yes hugely disappointing, but still a long way to get yet.

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08 Feb 2014 16:20:41
Why did Wenger change a winning team today would have stuck with Ox in midfield and Podolski on the wing could have spared Wilshere to come on later. Not slating him Jack put in a shift and gave his all but never really looked dangerous! Would have 100% bought Gibbs back was surprised he didn't come back last game.

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I would have played

szcz
sagna mert kos gibbs
ox arteta/wilshere
santi ozil podolski
giroud

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Exactly what I would have gone with mate!

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08 Feb 2014 15:29:58
Gutted by our performance today, but I'm not going to slaughter every player as we win and get beat as a team . What gets me is that in big games we are always slow to start . Now I'm no expert on football but our players should have expected a battle today . We need to fight for the right to play the slick passing game, not expect to just turn up and play . Liverpool were fantastic today and I can't fault their performance . I would just like to see some players with a killer instinct that shows no mercy to other teams . In other words, winners who have an unbeatable will to win .

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08 Feb 2014 15:16:51
Oh well

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08 Feb 2014 15:16:33
If only Kallstrom wasnt injured.

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Haaahhhhaaaaha actually cracked up reading that!

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Then I'm guessing they wouldn't have loaned him to us haha

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08 Feb 2014 15:13:15
That was poor by anyone's standards and pathetic but ours, no one can argue we were worse than poor today.
But its a very bad day at the office against a Liverpool side who when in full flow can hurt the best, badly.
Some fans on the tv are calling for Wenger's head? We're top of the league and they wasn't to sack the manager?

No doubt this page will be full of posters tonight who have only been heard from after Vila utd city games and during the January window who see this as their time shine in a season that for your them has been horrible with us doing so well.
Yes I'm disappointed and shocked but still very pleased with how far we have come this season in all.
Its a very bad day in a very good season so far, I think we have try and keep sight of that this weekend.

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Yeah agree with you.

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Couldn't agree more G62, just a bad day at the office, leave it in the past and focus on the next game. I still couldn't a happier gooner :) win or lose

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08 Feb 2014 15:04:29
poor very poor today but we can get revenge next week and dump them out of the fa cup

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08 Feb 2014 15:41:51
You can have the FA Cup. it's not worth a carrot!

This was the biggy for us.

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08 Feb 2014 15:01:50
A massive test today and we lost. I could never see that result happening.
We have been slow to start in most of our games and Liverpool capitalised on that.
Some of the players, Giroud and Ozil look tired / burnt out and we have even tougher games to come.
Wenger you have got to get the team ready for Man U. we must not drop any points, then hopefully we can get our revenge against Liverpool in the cup.

As you can see I am not spouting about how the squad should have been strengthened. we all know it should have. but we just have to go the rest of the season with what we have.

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08 Feb 2014 15:00:13
today we have to pretend it never happened, we need to forget it asap. we were pants and were let down by players that didn't have the heart to go toe to toe with a decent Liverpool team. we are top of the table and acting as though we are champions elect, today was a wake up call, smell the coffee lads, you've got the best chance in years to win something and we basically pranced around like a bunch of namby pamby fairies. they're was no running back no tackles. nothing.!
where do we start, the defence was blitzed in the first 20 minutes, the so called best defence still had their heads in the sand before they realised we were 4-0 down! we have no midfield base that protects the defence, arteta as I have said before is a liability, he slows us down in attack and defence. monreal is not as good as gibbs and was found wanting. kosci and merti were like the chuckle brothers, this is supposed to be the best defence in the league for gods sake. fair play to Liverpool they destroyed us. it could have been more if not for szecsney.
ozil needs to grow a pair and put in some fight or wenger needs to bring in some muscle to protect him and give him space. ox and jack fair play to them put in some fight and tried to keep face. santi was also non existent and how wenger must rue not buying a forward because today giroud didn't turn up and was pants.

the subs were onto a loser and couldn't change the game. we lost it in the first 20 minutes.

the doom mongers will be out but hopefully yes just hopefully these players will see their crap performance on tv and realise what they have done today. destroyed arsenal and put more pressure on wenger! if they don't lift themselves for the next 2 months with our big game heavey schedule then imo they don't deserve anything and should stick to filling in their twitter accounts where they seem to spend most of their pampered time. I feel sorry for the supporters today who had a long trek too see this poor poor arsenal team. they deserve better. and the hard thing is that arsenal are good enough to beat any team but today they beat themselves up.

come on arsenal get your ar*es in gear and come back and show what your made of.

hulk hogunner

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I came on to say very gracious of the majority of your fans and especially dags but I seen your name and had to comment what a great name totally original and 1 plus for you guys man city did nothing good luck for the rest of the season

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Thanks Giblet

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Thanks giblet

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08 Feb 2014 14:51:51
Gentlemen and Jenny, I deserve to be shot for my bold 3 nil prediction. We were spineless, gutless, lifeless and useless. Is Giroud premiership winning quality? Absolutely not. Sad that it's too late to remedy that for this season.

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08 Feb 2014 16:42:09
I got shot down for saying the same thing about Giroud after we lost to United.

Very worrying, he has still not had a good game against a top team in the league.

Still quite happy with automatic champions league qualification as-long as Spurs and United don't get in.

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08 Feb 2014 14:44:56
Chins up boys, lost a battle, but still in with a chance to win the war. Self pity, finger pointing is for total losers, we are ARSENAL and we live to fight another day. Well done Liverpool, well deserved win.

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08 Feb 2014 14:50:39
Well 5-1 in the end. Embarrising first 20 Mins blown away by Liverpool's Intensity. Fair play to them they played very well but why did we start so letharic. Wilshire seemd to be the only one showing any fight in that first half. 2nd half better but game was gone Liverpool could just sit back and chill out.

Wenger and the players need to take a long hard look at themselves and their motivation and drive starting the game.

Same lack in midfeild defensive protection and lack of width still apparent, these issues have been there ages and Wenger does nothing. Flamini is the only midfeilder with any sense of defensive disipline and was a big loss. Arteta does not cut it for me.

Ozil did nothing but making allowances as his first season in
EPL.


Carzola offers no protection for Monreal who is poor defensivly. Liverpool really exposed that side.

Wecan only ope the players will just forgot about this game and not loss confidence for the next run of games. Wenger needs to use Podolski and Gnarby more for better width.

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08 Feb 2014 15:02:29
I think that United in the next game is almost a blessing, they have to get themselves together for that and it doesn't come any bigger than them as a team who seem to have the hex over us.

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08 Feb 2014 14:44:20
No-one on that park in an Arsenal shirt showed any commitment at all today other than Jack Wilshere. I'll also omit Szczesny from criticism as well.

With the way we've been playing recently, you can't say it hasn't been coming. Shocking!

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Sorry I have to disagree and say wilshere didn't play well and you can't put a goalie that has conceded 5 either

we were collectively poor no fight no pace no guile

almost walking round like we had lead boots

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I didn't say they played well. I said that they at least stood up and showed commitment to the cause. You can't blame Szczesny for any of the goals and it would have been 7 or 8 at HT if it wasn't for him.

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08 Feb 2014 14:31:47
joke of a game. Wake the **** up United. I've had it with us starting slow. We haven't done rubbish this year; we haven't won anything so why is everyone so casual. I know you all are just as disappointed as I am today. Today's not going to be a good day.

Arteta can't play as a defensive mid. Appalling today. Really missing Flamini and Walcott.

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08 Feb 2014 14:26:43
I have resisted saying this but Ozil is s**t.

If he hadn't of come for 42.5 million with a reputation would we be so patient waiting for him to come good?

Girouds been pants for about 3 months as well

Time for podolski and rosicky to get a run in the team. Get Gibbs back on the left and get santi back in his best position

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Seriously, do you think you might be reacting badly after today's terrible loss? Because I do.

Yeah ok, maybe not at his best, but to say he's s**t in general is simply ridiculous.

Ozil has contributed this season and of course we are waiting for him to come good - for all the reasons you suggest.

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To be fair I might have been a tad hasty that's what this game does to you!

I just hope his class makes the difference in the next few months. As fans we have been starved of ready made world class players and with such high expectations recently he's brought very little to the party

Although I thought Ramsey was crap this time last year- shows what I know!

maybe he needs a world class forward to feed the balls to. I love giroud for his work ethic, but we are missing a game changer in that position - suarez anyone?
That said it was the defensive side that was so poor today

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08 Feb 2014 14:19:32
F****** disgusting 5-1 down, this is the point where we fall away again, man u next then Liverpool and bayern munich WTF was wenger thinking bringing in one 31 yearold with a broken back in, it's a disgrace 1 big singing last year and he thinks he can go back to he's stingy ways it's a joke, I no the board said we won't be competing till the 2014/2015 season when were with puma and can buy BIG, but we are 1st this year so why throw it away, should have spent in jan once again he has f***** up

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Would you be saying the same if we had lost 2-3? And WHO would you have brought in? You think Draxler would come here and be a scoring machine all the sudden? Sure its a bad loss, but its one game, still time to regroup, Wenger getting the starting XI right for a change would certainly help!

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08 Feb 2014 14:16:20
At least we don't have to play Liverpool until, oh sh*t!
Flybo

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Quality Flybo!

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08 Feb 2014 14:04:14
5-0 at the moment, worst day for years. Hopefully people will stop singing Mertecrapper now as this game has shown he is not good enough. Kos is the reason we have been great at the back, not Mertesacker

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Agree about mertesacker been saying since last season but he's had a good partnership with kos

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Really Chess!? We failed collectively. If you blame Per for it, I sure have some questions. Wer was our midfield? Wer was our full backs?

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08 Feb 2014 13:58:03
I tell you how bad it's got. I'm agreeing with Piers Morgan.

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08 Feb 2014 13:52:28
I don't know what's worse, losing or my Annoying wife sitting next to me cheering for Liverpool. Come on boys please at least reduce the score line.

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DIVORCE.
I'm not talking about your wife :-(

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08 Feb 2014 14:04:02
I'm sat with 3 Liverpool fans, my other half and his two kids, it's somewhat tortuous!

Could be worse, it could be raining, oh it is!

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Jenny, you were sitting with 3 Liverpool fans and a tortoise?

Weird (smiles)

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08 Feb 2014 13:48:59
Giroud is not a Arsenal standard player, it could have been 1-1 if he had tried to take the shot when it was 1-0, apart from hold up play he has nothing to offer, can't dribble, can't finish, can't run, against big teams he is totally useless.Missing Podolski on the pitch

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Giroud is a decent player but defenders kno how to deal with him he'd be better if we played 4-4-2 but if we play what we do know he's not good enough this isn't a reaction just after the Liverpool match as for podolski he's not proved nothing and I would expect him to be moved on in the summer really missed theo 2day Liverpool were good 2day but I think most goals were self destruct

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08 Feb 2014 13:45:20
why these players so nimble. look at the physicality these liverpool players have. we get pushed of the ball too easy. their is no presence. beautiful football without the muscle isn't going to work. invincibles had spine and flair.

by far ozil's worst ever game in the shirt, so far.

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Simples we need players with some balls, it's embarrassing how easy it is for Liverpool.I think even they are surprised

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08 Feb 2014 13:44:31
Pathetic performance really embarrassing 2 set pieces what a joke! Could of been 1-1 if giroud had a better touch not blaming him also tactically Wenger messed up again we need a battler in midfield flamini is ok but we need a matic or yaya toure a pacey striker is a must this season is slipping away again

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08 Feb 2014 13:42:59
4-0 Embarrasing really. Liverpool flew out of the blocks and we were caught cold and did not match that intensity. Trying to play offside on first goal when it was not on with such a good delivery. 2nd goal good header but poor marking, 3rd and 4th no midfeild protection for back 4.

Monreal in particlar is struggling but he is not being protected infront of him by Cazorla. There is no midfield protection infact when we have lost possestion in our half. Flamini a big loss but were is Arteta. Ozil not doing nothing Giroud can't hold onto ball and get into game.

3point gone but Need to show some pride 2nd half and not let this performance effect us for games coming up. Get Podolski and Rosicky on

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08 Feb 2014 13:39:51
Ozil who?

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That's the kind of comment that could come back and bite ya on the apse, try a bit of humility mate, surely as reds were above that?

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08 Feb 2014 13:36:26
There's no work-ethic about this team we don't close people down, we don't track back and defend, such poor management.

Mourinho gets all his teams working hard for him. If you don't buy into that then you are out no matter how good you are, a.k.a Juan Mata.

Giroud tries his best to but when Ozil and Santi don't bother, it's all for nothing. Arteta is never a holding midfielder and I feel a bit sorry for the guy playing there. The Ox is a box-to-box midfielder, he scores 2 last week from there then we move him out wide, why?! Monreal is good going forward but is a pretty poor defensive player.

There is just such a lack of work-ethic in this team. It's unbelievable!

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08 Feb 2014 13:35:04
Tactically we cannot cope with their formation, as well as a few bad attitudes being shown by the key players

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Dont like to blame individual players but were look are far more solid side defensivly when Flamini plays instead of Arteta. The 3rd and 4th Goals were left wide openwith players running at our back 4 without protection, where was Arteta then. Also Liverpool are really exposing Monreal as a weak link but to be fair he is getting little help from Cazorla in front of him.

We often seem to start flat and we needed to start with the intensity Liverpool started with.

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08 Feb 2014 13:29:01
It's a pet hate of mine and after watching this 1st half I'd ike to request players stop getting called OG12 & PM4 I know there's much bigger problems On our plate but theses players are not Cristiano Ronaldo & let's leave the stupid initials & numbers too him.

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Tomorrow larky tomorrow not today

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08 Feb 2014 13:24:53
conceding in the first minute - not a disaster - plenty of time to regroup. even at 2 - we take this is unacceptable. why does this team have no fight?

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08 Feb 2014 13:19:53
No striker(s), no wide player, no proper holding midfielder, no cover at right back, no new centre back, no goalkeeping competition.

Wenger has failed to deal with those issues for far too long now. The money is there now for all to see.

Our usual February collapse will now arise and we'll be back scraping for 3rd(max) and 4th. Liverpool will dump us out of the FA Cup and Bayern will teach us a lesson in the CL.

Never been so embarrassed in my life sitting watching this. Shocking.

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08 Feb 2014 13:18:50
This is embarrassing, i'm shocked at how lazy our team looks. Are they tired? Is the squad not big enough? i'm disgusted by the lack of fight.

Wenger should have freshened up in January, Its a shambles!

Top of the league, Your definitely having a laugh!

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08 Feb 2014 13:18:09
We'll done AW
This is all down 2 us not buying anybody in the window
Wat a joke! 4-0 in 20 min
I hope this ends horribly
not happy

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08 Feb 2014 13:17:37
WTF!

Sorry for a minute I thought we were top of the league, great squad that's why we didn't need any players in Jan, have I just woke up from a bad nightmare?

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08 Feb 2014 13:17:26
Oh dear, 4 down within 20 minutes, what's happened? I'm working so can't watch the game, is the score a fair reflection? Are we really playing that badly?

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08 Feb 2014 13:17:15
What is it with us and losing the huge games? We haven't beaten Chelsea, Man City or United since two seasons ago, and now we are losing to a side which has Jon Flanagan in it. Wenger always seems to get found out by decent managers because he plays the same tactics every game.

I'm just hoping and praying that this isn't the start of our spiral down to fourth.

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Id take flanagan over monreal or gibbs i'd even play him at cd over mert but i'm a reds fan but on todays performance you would love flanno in your team

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08 Feb 2014 13:16:33
We always seem to get hammered every now and again, bloody awful, forget the league title now

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08 Feb 2014 13:12:53
here's my 2 cents and it's not even 20 mins in! Liverpool have just shown our next 5 opponents how to beat us, as we have played the same way for the last 15 games or so! play with pace in the first half as we don't start playing until the second half! u can't win them all but seriously lads well well fecking done!

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08 Feb 2014 13:12:38
Embarrassing ain't the word. Hang your heads in shame.
Question.
Does this happen to city or chavski?
Answer.
No

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Reason why: Bigger squads and much better managers who are not afraid to change with the times.

Will this stop us winning the league?
Answer.
Yes!

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08 Feb 2014 13:12:35
i'm sat here thinking WTF has gone on, did we get off the coach and this is a warm up match liverpool A versus liverpool B?

please tell me i'm dreaming 4 f**king nil in 25 mins i'm dreading this

and ffs just kill me now before monday I can't face work with all the scousers

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08 Feb 2014 13:11:55
This is the worst performance I've seen for a long time. Even worse than the 8-2.

And all these games coming up could see us challenging for 4th again at the end of the season.

Not sure if it's my emotions getting the better of me here. But this could be brought down to the January market, özil giving it away to much, defence worse than it has been for the past 6 years.

This result is horrendous. I'm nearly crying.

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One more thing. This seems to have been coming, a sloppy draw at St. Mary's, a not so comfortable win against Palace.

I'm ready for an onslaught, hopefully the lads don't give up as easy as I seem to have done.

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08 Feb 2014 13:10:55
Shocking. Just shocking.

Mertesacker at fault for first goal but got to do better on the free kick.

Monreal left 2 on 1 by Santi, corner conceded, got to do better on the corner

Next 2, Ozil's fault, lost the ball twice. Is it possible to get a refund on our 42.5m? Been utter gash since his first 3/4 games.

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Hopefully he will improve next season. He seems to be too lazy and won't defend, Ramsey should be behind him to make up for his mistakes when he's back

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08 Feb 2014 13:10:39
Why oh why is it that arsenal are the only one of the big teams that lose like this what the fu&& is going on this is disgraceful to watch.

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08 Feb 2014 13:09:06
this is all Wengers fault, Wilshire not match fit, Ozil lazy, Arteta keeps getting caught, complete rubbish

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I'm trying to stay off the 'Wenger's fault' bandwagon but I can't see anyone else to blame either mate!

When you take a look at how Mourinho stole the show against Man City for that tactical masterclass, and how Wenger has set his team up is an utter shambles! Why did no one that could make a difference come in?!

No back up/ replacement for Giroud, Özil's weaknesses have been exposed here and we need to get the wingers playing like Chelsea's; tracking back and full of energy.

Seriously p**sed off

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08 Feb 2014 13:08:30
We need baptista and arshavin on at half time

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08 Feb 2014 13:08:07
WTF!!

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08 Feb 2014 12:08:37
Today we will win 3 nil. For 2 simple reasons:

1. Lucas is out and they do not have a natural DMF replacement. Gerrard looks lost in that position
2. Liverpool will try to over run our defence with their 4-4-2 formation, we will over run their midfield. Battles are lways won in midfield these days

So I predict a 3 nil victory. Podolski, Giroud and Santi :)

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Urgh. .

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HAHA! 3-0 sure mate, how did that work out, Gerrard > arsenals whole midfield

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While you were busy over running our midfield, your keeper had to keep picking the ball out of the net . mystic meg you ain't!

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08 Feb 2014 12:03:19
Does anyone know of any streams for todays game?

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Don't know about streams but we look like we are up **** creek without a paddle at the moment

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I'm trying to find a way to cause a power failure in pool with the hope we can blame the light, cause sure as f**k we can't blame anything else but the players and manager here. its like we're ill or something or never played together

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08 Feb 2014 09:13:29
Here's an interesting stat from DM on how has been leading the title race - Man City have only been top position for 9 days over the whole season.

'It is a sobering statistic. Arsenal have dominated the title race (130 days in first place) but City's number is outstripped by both Liverpool (24 days) and Chelsea (10 days).'

Just shows how the media warp perspective - keep the faith gents.

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Very good post Baggins, easily overlooked with all the hype.
But please no one say
I would love it absolutely love it if we won the league
Kevin Keegan did once and he didn't get away with it :-)

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Happy being second all season and finishing just one day top of the table - May 11!

The media see City putting teams to the sword, fortress of a home ground and a bottomless squad / wallet. No surprise that MOTD etc see them as the most likely favourites BUT you would be a fool to write us off because we do have a great team, team ethic and are strongest we have been for ages. However, we can not afford injuries and I think that is the reason why they don't see us as champions BUT they do see us as contenders.

Time will tell and hopefully Per is lifting at least one cup this season for the mighty Gooners!

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08 Feb 2014 11:34:28
We've reached the point in the season where they'll get to say, see we told you so or my god these boys can do it.

I can't remember going into a run of games being so excited about us and what we can do.

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And it appears the critics are right, i've never seen us play as badly and I was at old trafford for the bad spanking, this is becoming even closer to a proper spanking than that one.

i'm feeling sick at how we aren't even competing no show no tactics, and what does wenger do send them out in the same formation this just re-iterates he's clueless tactically and clueless with his players.

if we are sat in the summer with no quick signings it shows he never going to change

and what do we get for this showing or arsenal crash month aka feb highest ticket prices in the country and the cheapest squad of all the big boys

where the f*ck does all the money go

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08 Feb 2014 06:48:54
Woke up at sparrows fart this morning. Bladder was full, so emptied it then tried to get back to sleep. Then I had a thought that swept in to my head which was "big game today". After that thought the chances of me 'getting off' was as realistic as Susan Boyle at a speed dating event.

With Podolski driving the coach up there, I'm hoping we arrive with a certain ruthlessness and arrogance that come with a genuine championship contender. Per and Kos need to be on it, and the midfield need to be superior which they are. Hope Giroud can cause their centre backs havoc. Any chances created need to be taken!

I haven't exactly said anything mind blowing, just needed to get it off my chest before the game. We need 3 points so let's go get them. COME ON YOU GOONERS
Flybo

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I think you said it all perfectly Flybo, I hope you didn't wake Olly to early and left him alone last night, he needs his strength today

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Think he might have woken the whole god damn team :) they playing like they fooking asleep

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