Arsenal Banter Archive November 10 2014

10 Nov 2014 22:44:59
A 17 year old boy and a 16 year old girl discover their about to become the parents of twin boys but decide their too young to raise children so give them up for adoption.
One son is adopted by a Spanish family who call him Juan and the other son is adopted by an Egyptian family who name him Imal.
Ten years go by and the young couple have stayed together and married so decide to visit the sons they gave up, they fly to Spain and meet Juan which goes really well then return to England.
The young wife says I can't wait to go to Egypt but the husband says I'm not that fussed about going really love, why ever not says the wife?
The husband says Well once you've seen Juan you've seen imal really

10 Nov 2014 23:39:47
Me and my brother are identical twins.

We even finish each others sentences.

Which is nice because he's doing a 30 year stretch for the bank robbery I committed.

10 Nov 2014 23:42:21
I use to go out with a conjoined twin.

But she dumped me when she found out I was seeing her sister behind her back.

10 Nov 2014 23:46:29
When I found out I was a Siamese twin, I was beside myself.

10 Nov 2014 23:51:09
My wife gave birth to twins last week that were made from frozen embryo's.

I'm pleased to announce Ben and Jerry are fit and healthy.

11 Nov 2014 08:04:21
I think you've actually managed to kill comedy Dags!

Minutes silence everyone.

11 Nov 2014 09:04:38
Lol thank you 1404😏

11 Nov 2014 17:01:11
I think u will find there's often a minutes silence after a dags joke.

10 Nov 2014 20:47:43
Those of you who think Wenger will sign a CDM are deluded. He has far too much loyalty to Flamini and Arteta. Its pretty clear his long term aim is to play Chambers at CDM, probably next season after Flamini's contract expires. Its probably not happended this year as we've been so short at the back. Why would Wenger pay mega wages for Khedira or a larger fee for Schnierderlin or Carvalho, when he already has Chambers whom he rates verg higly. Long term he's looking at Midfield 3 of Ramsey, Wilshere and Chambers.

The best we can hope for in January is defensive cover, a player who can cover 2/3 positions. We have zero chance of getting Hummels or any top class CB. I can imagine next year we will have Jenkinson back to cover RB and hopefully a new CB (if we don't sign one in Jan).

Although it has to be said, if we had Khedira, Wanyama or whoever thrown into our team after the international break, we would be not much better defensively. Our problems go way beyond that:

1. We defend far to high up the pitch, with or without a CDM its suicidal against teams that are happy to sit back and hit us on the counter.

2. Both fullbacks have far to much freedom, they get caught too far up the pitch and cannot get back in time. This costs us a shed load of goals.

3. Our CBs are not good enough. For a 6'6" CB Mertesacker should never get beat, but players like Ulloa, Gomis and Abel Hernandez have all outjumped him to score against us. His pace has always been an issue and his qualities that made up for that are fading. Monreal, don't get me started on him.

4. We have no strenght in depth, we lose Koscielny and Debuchy, all of a sudden we are down to our bare bones in defence.

5. We do not defend as a team. Montero terrorised Cgambers at RB, where was the Ox helping him out? We never defend get enough players back to help out and 1 DM will not compensate for the other 3/4 midfielders not pulling their weight.

6. Zonal marking from corners, simply doesn't work unless you attack the ball, our players don't do that.

To summarise, a CDM will solve one of several problems.

Thanks if you read this lenghty post.

That is a great post DG, super insights and all too true. Many Thanks!

10 Nov 2014 22:24:29
At the moment we are making so many poor defensive decisions - dive in / don't, pressure or no pressure on ball, high line or everyone runs into 6 yard box leaving midfield to take pot shots.

I was told that fullbacks should play like as if they have a piece of string connected to each other so one goes forward while the other stays back. Pretty simple stuff and we must get it right.

Let's get behind the boys as they have players missing and they play for our great club!

We need a big transfer window with no excuses

Superb post DG

And you are right Wenger won't sign a DM, it would be admitting he is wrong

10 Nov 2014 22:47:30
Damn fine post DG.

10 Nov 2014 20:32:44
I really don't know how many of you are having this thought:

Alexis looks around the team come the end of the season and thinks "why am I the only one busting my guts every game? I'm off!"

I honestly worry about this. Results aside, of course.

Yep the thought had crossed my mind but Kos more so because he's been with us longer, suffered more and is running out of time to win big prizes .
Sanchez may give us another season through share naivety

10 Nov 2014 22:08:50
I share the same concerns but I also think he's the tye of lad who lives to be a hero.

I think it's a factor of his leaving Barca, he would never make Messi status there, not while they're greatest ever is on the same team sheet.

At Arsenal he could reach Henry status, I think that's something he'd live and die for.

But I'm just guessing

10 Nov 2014 23:00:39
Agree with Sheeny.

At Barca he was a small fish in a big pool.

At Arsenal?, Well he is proving to be a great white shark in a goldfish bowl.

Hero status is just round the corner for Sanchez.

Holy crap g62. now you've given me another thing to worry about

Sheeny/Dags. good point mate, I concur

10 Nov 2014 19:21:06
Oh how I'm looking forward to us playing your boys a week Saturday gooners, really am.

It's going to be painful I feel for your guys, 3/4-0 maybe Sanchez might get you one lol I dnt know, but I feel confident.

That is in no way me claiming we are amazing, but arsenal in crisis and United to play next goes so well together normally 😜

10 Nov 2014 19:37:00
Christopher,

We will beat you 2-0.

Or more likely, we will be 2-0 up with 10 minutes to go but it will finish 2-2.

This will be either the complete end of all hope game or a potential turning point for us.
The fact its come to this is sickening, we are hoping to beat this utd team rather than treating it as potential banana skin game it should be.
If we needed a marker of how bad things are this for me is it

CR, you really do spout some serious cr4p!

We are awful ATM but your defence is worse than ours! The greying dutchman couldn't hit a barn door with a tank and your manager couldn't manage a p*ss up in a brewery!

Haven't you got any friends on your own page? Or any page? In fact anywhere?

I wouldn't mind if you were still the best team in England, but you're not even the best team in Manchester!

10 Nov 2014 20:44:29
Lol 337, anymore?

It's somewhat funny that u post a response like that after a little bit of friendly ribbing and ask me if I have any friends lol. U must be swimming in them with a personality like that my friend.

G62, yes it is strange that u can't seem to pull yourselves away from a United team clearly in transition.

Dags lol. Yes mate and that really sums up arsenal over the last few years, even a lead like that is not comfortable.

10 Nov 2014 22:09:33
Chris TR -
Rooney is a tortoise
Van Persie is past it
Falcao is knackered
Mata can't get off the bench, Fellaini can/

In defense you have Blackett, McNair, and on the odd occassion Blind and Carrick.

To come on here mate, to be fair you've got not self awareness or nads the size of beach balls.

Long live Van Gaal - average boss of a crap team

10 Nov 2014 23:21:30
James Wilson should be enough baggins lol 😜

Failing that we have secret agent welbeck, might have to pull a few strings and ask him not to score lol.

11 Nov 2014 11:52:50
CTR mate,
You realise you're tempting fate, right? You're absolutely asking for a Wellbeck goalfest against that most resolute of defences. Please, talk him down some more, the fates just love that stuff!

11 Nov 2014 15:43:05
But then ain't u tempting fate by claiming me tempting fate, has tempted fate? Now I'm confused lol.

10 Nov 2014 17:23:54
Our first choice defence is decent. The cover is not, only Chambers at centre back is adequate.
The two defensive midfield options, Arteta & Flamini are woeful, we need two replacements.
Imagine if we signed Clyne, Hummels & a new left back (suggestions please). Khedira & Schneiderlin.
We can sell Monreal, Arteta, Flamini & Abu Diaby.

Your sales will get about 5 million kinds and your income will cost about 60 million - you are going to want to sell something for a little more to make this work. How about selling Jack and get it up to 10 million ;-))

10 Nov 2014 18:29:46
How about dipping into that £200m lying in reserve?

We need two new CB's with out a doubt. Per is done.

Why are we selling monreal? On the back of a poor performance in his wrong position? Ridiculous! He's a decent enough second choice left back

10 Nov 2014 19:09:08
The reserve is there for a reason AG, they'll maintain it at whatever level it is, less than 200m I believe, what's above that is there for spending which we did this summer. Next summer there should be more funds. Maybe a small advance in January.

Robbie I'd be weary of Clyne. Look at Lovern afterall. Southampton CBs have the luxury of well organized team working in unison defending from the very front. I think in a team where the CBs don't have that kind of cover they'd show themselves to be average.

Not that I'm having a go at anything Southampton they deserve everything there getting right now and it's great to see a team of their resources doing so well

Clyne isn't a CB, he's a RB so that renders the above point moot.

My guess is that Robbie was suggesting we focus on Chambers as a CB, I agree that it seems to suit him better and then use Clyne as a RB. He is no doubt a great player and offers a lot going forward aswell as being defensively competent but I don't think either Clyne or Debuchy would settle for being second choice.

Absolutely, Clyne would be used as a RB, whereas Chambers looks far more promising as a CB. We can afford the players I suggested, if available. We could also consider selling Campbell or/and Podolski, if Wenger isn't going to play them. We could also sell Jenkinson when his loan deal expires. So funding the purchases would not be a problem. The problem is getting Wenger to sort out the defensive side of our game. We seem to be scoring okay, but conceeding too easily. In Wengers defence, we are without Ospina, Debuchy, Koscielny, Abu Diaby, Arteta, Ozil & Giroud. With Walcott & Gnaby not yet match fit. Any team would suffer with so many injuries & to crucial first team players.

10 Nov 2014 19:57:26
That's right Perfect I got confused. I think the point stands for Fonte, Alderweild has potential but if he signed for a one of a lot of clubs in EPL instead I think he'd be struggling atm

Haha out of all the names I've been called, I quite like perfect.

Yeah, Lovren is an example of outstanding players being a little less so when playing a different game in a different environment. Perhaps it is just taking him time but there are certainly examples of great players not being able to click in different teams. E.g. Shevchenko, Veron and ofcourse Torres. Torres is a strange one because he'd already proved he could adapt to English football by being the best striker in the league whilst at Liverpool; it just shows the relevance of every team's tactics and how the different ways and positions you use players in can affect their performances massively. HINT HINT :P

10 Nov 2014 22:11:30
Haha

Diego Forlan another one

10 Nov 2014 15:36:01
So, all this negativity regarding our defence and most of it is justified. We need a solid partner for Kosch, someone who can read the game as well as Per but is quicker. Also we need a holding midfielder who can dominate teams, powerful, strong and can cover the ground. We need to go back to having a Gilberto or Petit.

Who is there that fits that description? i'm at a loss

Hummels and Khedira.

For me, Carvalho would be first choice but that seems to be very optimistic. Khedira is great but seems to be more box to box as opposed to a typical 'I'll sit back and protect the back four whilst you lot go and grab the headlines' defensive midfielder - I believe they refer to it as the Makelele role and, in my opinion, that is what we need.

10 Nov 2014 12:25:40
Terrible just terrible.
Ramseys gone back 18 months injuries aside we have had one good season out of him to my knowledge and that's it.
Apart from Sanchez, Chambers, Chamberlain and I'm struggling to think of who else is playing well or should I say acceptable, the rest aren't worth a toss lately.
If we manage to hang on to Sanchez for the next couple of seasons I will be surprised to be honest .
What Walcott is doing on the bench for the majority of the game is beyond me. He is either fit or he isn't simple as.
Selling Podolski seems to be a backward step and one we could regret.
We can't beat Swansea?!
May aswell forget the rest of the Champions League and save ourselves the embarrassment of it all.
We are playing like a bunch of mugs.
No style, no idea, no plan.
Who's to blame?. Because I am lost for an answer.
Is it Wenger is it the board or are the players getting lethargic.
January transfer window!! Who are we going to attract in that? Any decent player is probably going to be Cup Tied for Champions League games anyhow and in my opinion it's only the needy and greedy that are available in January.
It beggars belief what goes on at Arsenal lately.

I feel your pain Golds trust me, especially when my four year old daughter has just told me she now supports West Ham (Needless to say she's grounded, but it could have been worse)

As for Podolski I am lost on this one, he's on huge wages and fit but can't get a game! He has to go and the money immediately invested in a CB or DM

10 Nov 2014 13:49:43
Good post Golds mate.

337, really?
Mate, I'm sure you love your daughter to bits, but you might have to send her to an orphanage, lol.
West Ham? Yuk yuk yuk.

In all fairness she chose them because she likes the colour of their kit as it is the same as one of the dresses in frozen (lost me too) but god forbid if she likes the Spurs kit, she will have to be adopted!

Even worse my GF has an 11 year old son who had been at Arsenals Academy since he was 5, in the summer he decided to leave and signed for Spurs!

10 Nov 2014 14:32:35
337,

My deepest sympathies are extended to you, lol.

10 Nov 2014 18:46:39
11 is such a young age to give up on football .

Good post goldboy.

10 Nov 2014 19:24:19
Even though I've followed his career since WC 2006 I'm with you on Podolski 337.

In similar vein there is surely a January transfer window for children, lol

That's funny sheeny, just to clarify I love podolski but if he can't get a game he needs to be sold while we can get a decent fee

10 Nov 2014 22:15:32
With you all the way. Especially for the wages he's on. And like Vermalen I'd really like him to have a good career, they're good blokes, just wasn't happening any more for TV. Seems the same for Podolski

10 Nov 2014 11:40:05
Doom and Gloom this morning.

We aren't good enough it's plain to see, .

However, If Kos and Debouchy were not injured we would be in a very different position, those two are top class defenders and even if we had signed another CB OR RB these two would take a lot to replace.

Take JT or Cahill out of chelsea, and Kompany away from city and see how they get on? Look what happened to UTD after Vidic and Rio left, they signed two players for big money in Smalling and Jones but they're not good enough. City singed Mangala for over £30m and he's pants!

We all have to get our chins up and not bitch at each other, it could be worse, you could be a Spurs supporter!

If players weren't injured 337? that's our excuse every year, no one goes into a season with two established CBs and especially a team with our injury record.
I know your looking on the bright side mate but pretending to our self's isn't going to make us champions ever again or even realistic challengers

That was'nt my point G62, it was the calibre of the two main injurys. I listened to an interview the other day from the young WBA striker (name escapes me) and he was asked which were the best CB's he had played against and in a second said "Koschielny" followed by kompany.

My point is that even if we did have other back ups for those positions they would not be easilly replaced, and the Ed's will tell you that we did try to replace TV5 but with us already exceeding the wage threshold for FFP regulations we could not have signed another £100k per week player this year, we have to be careful.

I don't do excuses trust me, but those two are top class defenders

I totally agree with the calibre of of Kos he Ozil and Sanchez are 3 players who could get into most top CL sides and losing any hurts of course but you have to allow for that by having good if not great back up.
We have many many first team squad players who are taking up wages that we could and should be using elsewhere 337, which ever way we slice it Arsene hasn't done his job well enough :-(

The way I see it is that he put all our resources in to attacking players, and I understand spending big on Sanchez but when you only have so much money it wasnt the most important place to spend on, however he should have tried to offload maybe Podolski, Cazorla or Rosicky before we signed Sanchez and for that he has to take the blame

Arsene try's to play the perfect game. What he seems to forget is that he had it in the Invincibles. We are now without a game plan except keep passing & that ain't working.
If you always do what you've always done etc.
Everyone knows & can see what is wrong if he can't then there is a more serious problem. If he can see it & is choosing not to resolve it then he shouldn't be manager.
This ain't the fault of the players we have enough quality players to resolve this. & there should be someone there to talk to him. But maybe that is where the real problem lays, that he has built a fiefdom & no one is brave enough.

10 Nov 2014 19:28:40
Kos is one of the best in world of CBs the last 18mnts only for his propensity to concede peno. Although a lack of cover in front of the back 2 is partly to blame for that.

Remember when we all that he was a terrible signing? Wenger definitely knew that time. Lifting him from Ligue 2, his last master stroke perhaps.

10 Nov 2014 10:41:06
Ok where do we go from here?
Arsene isn't going to be sacked or walk away before the utd game and there's no window so as a club/ team what can we do.
Be us pro or anti Arsene its irrelevant in the immediate future but what can we do in the next two weeks that's within the realms of realism to stop this decline?

10 Nov 2014 11:17:31
Pretty much nothing.

Just hope and pray and most importantly, get behind the team and hope our fortunes change.

Things are bad, but have been worse.

I agree Dags things have been worse but you need to be over 40 years old to really remember it?
Those under that age don't remember the pre George times and there's no reason they should have to experience it either we are loaded with money and there's plenty of excess baggage that can be off loaded to make room for new players and pay their wages.
To many non premier league top four players at our club who hold back those who could be champions we need more quality and less quantity to support them before we once again lose them as we have so often in the past

10 Nov 2014 11:51:01
I wouldn't worry g62, it's a banker right 😃

Chris I should come back with something like your the next best thing to Burnley we could have but at the moment I'm glad Burnley's out the way mate :-)
Honestly when I looked at things in August I thought it would take LvG a while to sort you out and it will and although it was obvious chavs and city would finish above us I thought for one more season we'd finish above you for sure and crown it by taking 4 points minimum from you one more time under Wenger and who knows we still might :-)
But unless Arsene walks this our last chance to beat you in the near future because LvG will spend what it takes to make you real challengers again next season over the next 2 windows while Arsene obviously wont.
I must admit Chris total confidence of even two weeks ago has been replaced with desperate hope for the game against you now mate :-(

10 Nov 2014 19:46:46
Pray to Cthulhu Dags we win 10 games in a row.

G62 I wouldn't agree with having to be over 40, it's all relative. For instance, for the calibre of club we've been in my time, 1/3 of my life and support we've been in the doldrums.

For younger again it's more. Those that might have been scrappers for the invincibles have only the last decade to gleen fondness from.

10 Nov 2014 09:27:20
The more I watch this team the more players I conclude just are not good enough.

I thought we needed a top cb in the summer for mert to drop back as third choice, but right now i'd say he's not even good enough for that.

Said it before, ill say it again. Chambers IS NOT A RIGHT BACK.
Good player maybe but that isn't his position.
Hes been booked, skinned and caught out of position in every game.
Dm or Cb maybe. RB definately not.
Arteta and Flamini weren't good enough 2 seasons ago and that hasn't changed.
Ramsey has gone backwards
Wilshere has gone backwards
Cazorla has gone backwards
Ozil has gone backwards

One promising looking player we have is Joel camobell yet its sanogo, wengers boy wonder who has looked nothing more than a championship player from day one who gets the nod yesterday, I mean what an omnishambles.


There is so much wrong right now.

The players seem divided
Theres no leadership, no aggression, No pride.

What we are seeing here is deep malaise

Caz doesn't want to be here, Arteta Flamini Rosicky are done at top level and dispite giving everything he has Monreal just isn't up to it at left back let alone centre back, but give him credit he does give all he has and it isn't his fault Arsene picks him.
That's where we need to big in the cull and probably extend it to poldolski and sanogo too and these out and getting Jenks home would be a good place to start.

Flamini wasn't even here two years ago, you just want to have a moan, it's embarrassing. Metersacker Just won the World Cup, in the best international team I've ever seen. Obviously that eludes to the fact that he needs a decent CB partner. Chambers is 19 FFS. There are so few players who know where they'll play there careers at that age. Cazorla is a top class player, Sanchez is a top class player, Özil is toopclass, Gibbs, koscienly, walcott, chamberlain I could go on and on. We know the problem, we need a better holding mid and an extra centre back. This is getting so tedious now

I agree Saint.

It would not hurt to rotate a bit more too. Poldi is a scorer sitting on the bench (not to mention more sturdy than Caz for those rainy away night games) and Rosicky is an international captain that has bailed us out too many times. Why field the exact same squad night after night and not rotate - especially if someone is out of form and we have one or two of those - FFS!

10 Nov 2014 11:13:31
Saint you're right Flamini wasnt here. He still wasnt good enough

And mertesacker got dropped at the qf in the world cup!

Even with a dm/cb well still be rubbish with le senile one in charge

You akbs are so deluded

10 Nov 2014 11:26:21
Also if you read the post i'm not havong a go at chambers personally, i'm just sayinv he's being played out of position as proved by the amou t of times he's booked, skinned and caught out of position

And when are tbose so called top players going to play like top players? you're blinded by loyaly to a past it

10 Nov 2014 22:21:47
It's the position he's played most in. I think what we're seeing is his inexperiences coming through and I belive it would happen whatever position he'd be playing in. It's the nature of youth in football.

He's had a great honeymoon period but now it's time to work and develop, maybe he dosen't have the shape of a typical RB nowadays, but I believe whatever position he'll end up in he'll be a success.

At the end of the day if it wasn't for injuries to Kos and Debuchy he wouldn;t be laying as often as he is now. He's been thrown in deep end, swam well for a while but now he's cramping. I think we have to except that I don't think it's because he's not an RB. It's all he new in his senior career before joining Arsenal

10 Nov 2014 09:04:07
In response to the poll - I have maintained that I won't call for Wenger's head before the end of the season, as I think that we'd be (even) worse if we suddenly changed manager/spent the rest of the season with just Bould in charge.

But I will definitely be of the opinion that he should leave at the end of the season if we don't improve on last season. And that is looking less and less likely.

In reality, I love Wenger and what he's done for our club - I still remember the period before when we were incredibly inconsistent and going much further downhill under Graham/Rioch than we ever have done under Wenger. But he just doesn't look up to it anymore. And, although I want to reserve judgement until the end of the season, my faith in him is pretty much dying with every passing game.

These last 2 seasons he has reaped the rewards of careful financial management and now has a chance to compete with the bigger-spending teams, but we are way way off.

Wenger has a serious job on his hands to prove he is still fit for his job. We need to see strong defensive reinforcements in January, and a CL/PL campaign that, at the very least, gets us not far off the winners. Unfortunately I feel like I'm living in dreamland when I say that.

At least if Wenger calls it a day at the end of the season he will have left a better squad behind than what Fergie left United. At least whoever comes in will have a solid platform to build on with players like Sanchez, Ozil, Kos at their disposal.

It may not be what he wants to do but it would be the honourable thing to do.

Good post Oleg mate, I don't want Arsene to be sacked I really dont, if it happens it will be the saddest day in our history.
But how long can our great club be run by a man who refuses to be helped or listen to advice that is the same no matter who provides it.
If the man who steers the ship insists there are no rocks ahead dispite everyone else seeing a mountain in front of them how long before someone grabs the wheel?
We can as you say afford this season but unless we make top 3 we need a new captain to plot our course or there could well be a mutiny on the good ship Arsenal

10 Nov 2014 07:53:27
Noodles

Good post apart from the last bit.Wenger is so arrogant, I wish people will listen to me, he will never change he wants TOTAL football, that is now dated. He doesn't know how to close a game out, he is inept when it comes to tactics . There are plenty more managers I am sure we could find one.

There is only one way this would turn around. . . .Bring David Dein back to the club

I would love Dein to come back and I think Arsene would too

10 Nov 2014 06:48:36
I believe our season will be defined by how we cope until January with a lack of defenders & inept defensive midfield options. In January we must sign at least one top quality central defender & defensive midfield player. In the summer another central defender or right back is needed, a further defensive midfield player & a left back. Then we need to release/sell: Monreal, Flamini, Arteta, Rosicky, Abu Diaby & Podolski.
Failing which we will ot compete with Chelsea & Man City.

Right on Robbie. Couldn't have said it better myself. Those defensive options must come in sonner rather than later or we risk slipping further behind City and Chelsea.

If we'd kept Jenks and signed a CB things wouldn't be like they are today.
It you go into a/season with just 2 out and out CBS and win the league your either extremely lucky or a genius but if you pursue the same course of action and it goes very badly wrong there should be questions asked of your ability.
Why is this not true of Arsene? How long does the stadium give him a get out of jail free card for? The whole of this contract and maybe beyond.
Sometimes things are beyond seeing before hand but our problems we're glaringly obvious before the season started and the worse of it is for very little money could have been sorted
Players who Arsene has no intention of starting could have been sold to finance what we needed but Arsene is loyal to players who he doesn't even use

10 Nov 2014 02:57:28
Ed your saying Arsenal cannot invest in a top Defender and Midfielder because of the FFP? Can you please tell me where you get this bizarre information?

As far as I am aware the FFP depends on your revenue and turnover. Between 2011-2014 Arsenal have accumulated between £245-£300 million per year, with net profit between £75-92 million. Sure we have overheads but the FFP is most in line with the clubs turnover. So can you give me a link to your sources as to where Arsenal are struggling to stay within the FFP regulations?

Also does anyone know if PSG or Man City have actually paid their fines? No doubt they will just contest them and get off with paying nothing near the huge fines they incurred.

{Ed001's Note - how is it bizarre that a club that pays too much to its back up players, and always has done under Wenger, might be falling afoul of the rule that says they are only allowed to spend a certain percentage of their income on wages?? Not my fault that you have no idea about the FFP regulations and think that it is all about profit or loss.}

Ed if you read my post correctly you would see I didn't say FFP was related to profit and loss. It is the collective turnover of a football club (including it's overheads, EB's, Wages etc) and Arsenal by no means spend anywhere near the figure they turn over each year. Again I would like you to show my a few links to support your claim that Arsenal are struggling to stay within the FFP regulations.

If you have a look at Arsenal's annual reports for the past 5 years you will see that we are very much comfortable financially. There is also online publications from sources such as the telegraph and the guardian to support the theory Arsenal's turnover far exceeds its running costs.

As a senior financial adviser with a wealth of experience when it comes to facts and figures, I believe it's you who doesn't understand FFP and the global financial system of huge corporations.

I'm sorry but if you can't provide some solid evidence then your just talking b******t.

{Ed001's Note - yeah alright then, yet you still have not understood the point I made about it being a percentage of the turnover is allowed for wages. Nothing to do with all the other nonsense you are spouting to try and sound clever. It is nothing to do with spending on transfers. How difficult it is for a senior financial advisor to understand? Or is this why the whole world's financial system crashed, because we have people who can't understand the turnover to wages ratio required for sound financial management??? Or can you just not read and understand that I never said that Arsenal's turnover is not exceeding their running costs at all? You really are just arguing out of ignorance.

As for solid evidence, if you want that go to a news site, this is a rumours site, or are you unable to understand the difference between those as well?? I give the information I have, if you choose to disbelieve that, then feel free, but don't argue from ignorance of the FFP ruling, you are only making yourself loook silly.}

10 Nov 2014 08:12:44
Downunder,

Unfair comment mate.

I don't understand FFP rules, but it has been documented that we are in breach of those rules due to turnover to wages ratio.

Unfair to have a pop at Ed.

Eds, would you mind telling me if there is a fixed percentage of annual turnover which can go towards wages? And if so, what is it?

The financial reports show that we've been spending over 50% of total revenue on wages for some years now - so is the cap more like 60-70%?

Apologies for hassle!

{Ed002's Note - The issue Arsenal has with FFP is the growth in wages last season and this. It is not a big deal and will likely result in a strongly worded letter.

However, I am completely done with explaining anything to do with the financials and FFP on the Arsenal page.}

I don't pretend to understand the ffp rules I'm still struggling keep up with the off site rule changes, but from what I have heard its about how much we earn each year not how much we have saved in the bank.
If our income is x amounts we can only pay 70% (example %) of our income in wages and stay within the rules.
Its irrelevant how much we have in the bank its income based only.
Not sure if I'm right but that's my take on it

There is a .................

{Ed002's Note - Please just stop spreading all of this misinformation.}

Im not eds. ....................

{Ed002's Note - I am done with you for a while - you are spreading misinformation because you simply do not understand and of this. Take a few days off.}

09 Nov 2014 23:50:01
i know it's still early in the season but I seriously believe we will struggle for 4th.
after last season winning the cup I really thought like many did that it would be a stepping stone for better things come at the arsenal.
if we go out the fa cup then all it'll be is fighting for 4th place to make up the numbers in champions league.
there just seems to be no fight and backbone in the team.
the only way you'll see that in an arsenal team now is if you watch the dvds from when we done the double's or the invincible's.

as for wenger, I have been a huge supporter of his and stuck by him like many through bad times when others wanted him out.
i hate saying this but we do need change, it won't happen anytime soon though.
but despite how much he's lost the plot I would not want him to leave on a bad note, that's why I said before the fa cup would have been good for him to leave on a high.

i just wish we had usmanov in full control, david dean would have dealt with transfer's.
but usmanov not having full control is down to lady bracewell smith who sold to kroenke.


apologies for the long post guys

Good post Mark I totally agree Arsene should have walked away to a hero's farewell in the summer, now its going to end badly for us all.
Something will give sooner or later and its not going to be pleasant to see