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15 Jul 2013 22:41:58
Oh it gets better. According to the Italian press (pinch of salt may be required), Chelsea have made an enquiry about Higuain.
. fml! {Ed027's Note - Higuain was offered to Chelsea, Chelsea refused
Think about it. Why would he go to a club where the manager was at his former club and never rated him.
15 Jul 2013 22:25:07
Suarez = Henry
Fabregas = Bergkamp
Cazorla = Pires
Walcott = Ljungberg
Wilshere = Paddy
We buy Suarez and Fabregas we will win the league. I'm convinced.
AG.
Wow wot happened before u sold fabregas and henry? let's be honest u are more than 2 players away atm
CTR {Ed027's Note - We reached the CL final, we went unbeaten throughout a whole season, something the Great Fergie or Mourinho haven't done
This post lost credibility when you compared Suarez to Henry
Wilshere = Parlour
Still need our Vieira. Fellaini?
THEN I think we'll win the league.
Only time will tell who we end up with.
I agree with your sentiment, but Walcott is no Ljungberg and Suarez is nothing on Henry, that's like comparing Nick Clegg to Nelson Mandela.
Oleg Maputo
IF they happen. let's hope so and I agree we could be contenders.
Personally I wouldn't be so bold as it say we will win it.
15 Jul 2013 22:12:50
Hi a Manchester United fan here holding a white flag
please could you guys explain the deal
Arsenal have with Barca over Fabregas
i am hearing a 50% resale deal which to
me sounds a bit steep
Also do you think Cesc would return to
Arsenal if he wasnt wanted at Barca
thanks and have a good season
Tkd
Ill handle this.
If Barca want to sell (most important) and the player wants to go then we get first bite at 25 large.
We pass and the sell for 30mill example we get half of any profit OVER 25million only, so in this example half of 5million.
I thank you.
"Length: 5 years, 7m� per year.
Initial Fee: 35m� paid in two parts.6m� loyalty fee due to transfer waived by Cesc.
Add Ons: 6m� for 1 CL or 2 La Liga titles in 3 years, was later reported to be broken down per La Liga title.
Clauses: 30m� First Option, Right of First Refusal clause. This is the one most people don't get. FCB have to either get a bid in and accept and no matter that offer, say it is 40m�, we have a right of first refusal to buy him back for 30m�.
Or if FCB decide to sell, we have a right of first refusal for the 30m�.
We do NOT have an option where we can go in blindly, pony up 30m� and FCB HAVE to sell to us, this is where people are getting confused.
In the contract there is also a 50% Sell On clause, meaning, if there is a bid for him and we pass on buying him with our first option clause, we get 50% of the transfer fee.
Edit - We would get 50% of what is left over above the 25m£ base fee FCB paid for him. So if a 30m£ is accepted and we pass on re-signing him, we get 50% of 5m£.
The third scenario is that Cesc can convince FCB that he wants a move back to AFC and a mutual break of the above contract could lead to a transfer.
His release clause is unclear, there are reports it was 90m� and others reported that it was 200m�.
Many Arsenal fans would be furious if their former hero moves to United, even if via Barcelona.
As a result, some of these fans have been circulating the theory that Arsenal could somehow veto this move because they have first option on Fabregas as a result of a clause in his contract.
This clause simply means that Arsenal have a set fee agreed for Barca – understood to be £25m – that would activate a transfer if Fabregas agreed to the move. It just means Arsenal get a lower price than anyone else.
This is vital – Arsenal cannot very well re-sign Cesc against his will, and they cannot block him from joining United. If he wants to join United, he can join United.
There have also been – false – claims that Arsenal are entitled to 50% of any transfer fee. No club in their right minds would agree to such a clause if they had spent more than £5m for a player. There is probably a sell-on fee, but that would likely be linked to any profit Barca generate on Fabregas’s sale.
The reality of Fabregas’s link to his former club is that the first option dictates the minimum spend any other club would have to make to buy him. Which makes United’s £26m offer a flat minimum.
Come on you're kidding! we are aware of some clauses, but I seriously doubt anyone believes that effectively arsenal have any control off cesc, beyond those clauses.
Its all academic anyway, he won't being leaving barca.
We get 50% of any fee over 25 mill.
so if barcealona sell him for 30 mill we get 2.5 mill.
malaga gooner
Malaga gooner your wrong! arsenal get no fee if he is sold this is fact!
don't even no where this rumour started.
15 Jul 2013 22:06:28
Arsenal will sign three big name players.
Fabregas instead of Fellaini 25m for Fab or 23 for Fellaini.
Suarez
GK Ruffer/Cesar
Cesar's agent said only two concrete offers are on the table. Arsenal and Naploi.
Are you fans happy with these players or would you prefer other targets?
In reality, if that come true, absolutely ofc! That will do very nicely.
15 Jul 2013 21:24:16
people please get a grip. do you really think cesc would play any sport under david - dull - moyles. really! me thinks man u have made a huge error. 3rd up for grabs! this could be the year we pull it back, only a couple of 1st class buys, the squad isn't that bad, remember the last 10 games! ps don't think about the 10 before!
Hey maybe that's why u dnt win nowt? Because u seem to think how a manager looks in the media means he doesn't deserve the respect of a player, hmmm explains a lot, on that note then why would any player want to play for wenger while he wears that over coat?
CTR
Completely agree that united can and will slip up this year. We don't need many players, but we definitely need a world class defensive mid and striker to get to the next level (being top 2)
15 Jul 2013 21:23:14
I would obviously love Fabregas to sign for United, and it's a travesty in my opinion that one of the world's best footballer's isn't one of the first names on his club's team sheet.
That being said, part of me would actually be happy to see him turn down United, strange as it may seem. The reason I say that is because it would prove that their is still some loyalty left in the modern day footballer.
He was always going to spend a lot of time on the bench, we all knew gat when he left.
It all depended on how patient he was prepared to be. I think he'll still want to prove himself and not come back with his tail between his legs.
Love to have him back but I seriously doubt it for this season.
I take it you're a manc?
Respect grd that was a really cool comment
I am a Manchester United fan, yes.
But is it disloyal to join united if arsenal dnt bid? Oh its a conundrum isn't it.
CTR
15 Jul 2013 21:22:06
Adrian Durham in charge of our transfer policy.
Bendtner leading the front line next season.
Diaby injured by the medical table.
Mert wins the team sprint test.
Santos becomes the clubs dietitian.
Arteta has a bad hair day.
Cesc is unveiled at united with Schofields arm around him.
Carlsberg don't do Nightmares, but if they did. You know the rest
Flybo
I know it's like a dirty pleasure but please why does anyone listen to that crap, the no idea journalism, the person presenters down load the tuesday club podcast or any other podcast and turn talksport off
Awesome post flybo!
just legendary
NO no no:) not that big head arrogant NB! ewwww.
LOL:) nice post flybo
I said in another post, that went somewhere:) we should have signed nicky clark from QOS:) goal machine!:) far better than NB:)
COYG andi:)
15 Jul 2013 21:11:47
I cannot take credit for this, it is the work of goonerinbarca, but it does a very good job of clearly explaining the Fabregas deal and the clauses that it included so I thought I would share here for all to see.
"Length: 5 years, 7m� per year.
Initial Fee: 35m� paid in two parts.6m� loyalty fee due to transfer waived by Cesc.
Add Ons: 6m� for 1 CL or 2 La Liga titles in 3 years, was later reported to be broken down per La Liga title.
Clauses: 30m� First Option, Right of First Refusal clause. This is the one most people don't get. FCB have to either get a bid in and accept and no matter that offer, say it is 40m�, we have a right of first refusal to buy him back for 30m�.
Or if FCB decide to sell, we have a right of first refusal for the 30m�.
We do NOT have an option where we can go in blindly, pony up 30m� and FCB HAVE to sell to us, this is where people are getting confused.
In the contract there is also a 50% Sell On clause, meaning, if there is a bid for him and we pass on buying him with our first option clause, we get 50% of the transfer fee.
Edit - We would get 50% of what is left over above the 25m£ base fee FCB paid for him. So if a 30m£ is accepted and we pass on re-signing him, we get 50% of 5m£.
The third scenario is that Cesc can convince FCB that he wants a move back to AFC and a mutual break of the above contract could lead to a transfer.
His release clause is unclear, there are reports it was 90m� and others reported that it was 200m�.
What is not in dispute are the clauses above, the thing with AFC fan base these days is that they'll believe anything that's fed them as long as it fits what they want, and most want Cesc back, so there you go. Even the Daily Mail article eludes to these clauses and the need of FCB wanting to sell for it to come into effect, but everyone ignored that. "
Ive been confused by his contract for a while, thanks for clearing it up. the buy out clause makes it more likely that he will join us so barca get more money because of the sell on clause!
Thanks Will.
AG
15 Jul 2013 21:06:24
i think there must be signings in the works, think about it gazidis and wenger will know a backlash of the worst kind would greet them if they mess this up, they would both lose their jobs and look complete muppets in the process, just hope we have'nt missed the players we req
15 Jul 2013 21:01:41
With Man United submitting a bid for csec, it is highly likely that arsenal will go in to exercise the first option clause in csecs deal.
Any comments ed? {Ed027's Note - If Cecs wants to move, yes we will
Lol thanks ed I mean wenger lol ;-)
CTR
15 Jul 2013 20:45:57
Hypothetically would you guys be happy if we strengthened in the areas we don't urgently need by buying
Cesc, higuain and Suarez
Or strengthen where we need with
Begovic, rami, fellaini and sanogo
Think I'd go with the first one and stick Miguel as our 4th cb and see how Rambo goes in dm
How can you possibly say we don't need to strengthen in the striker department?
Excellent post especially no 4 re PLASTIC fans.
i say please withhold your support infact go support another team we don't need your fickle support. and plastics don't know better the management of the team.
COYG
15 Jul 2013 20:19:22
Been reading lots of posts on here and just wanted share my thoughts. I don't claim any inside knowledge. These are just observations.
1) Cesc
This all going to depend on what barca say him. If they want him to stay and he wants to stay then he stays.
Ok that was a statement of the obvious. If either he wants to leave or Barca don't want him he leaves. He then has to be offered to us at £25m. If we don't want him or can't agree a fee or can't agree terms then is up for grabs to anyone
If we agree a deal with Barca and Utd do too it comes down to which deal is best for Barca about who we would be allowed to talk to.
If the club terms were the same it comes down to how much Cesc loves AFC and howstrong his relationship is with Arsene. Put simply Man United have to offer Cesc enough more than we do to buy out his loyalty or love for AFC.
Only Cesc can place a figure on that
2) Suarez
A Liverpool fan, Marcus made a very good point. LS is a cracking player and would improve any team - but can we cope with the background issues and would he stay in England after saying he wants out because of the press. Again if we want him it comes down to how much he wants to keep him in England and whether we will pay it
3) Prices and negotiations
I'm sick of hearing the "what's couple of million on top, just give them it" line. That's the Leeds philosophy on spending.
Think about it yourself, If you saw a house for sale at £200k but you thought it was only worth £180k then would you chuck in the extra?
Its sensible to set a budget and stick to it. If the seller doesn't think your offer is enough then move on and look elsewhere - don't just chuck in more unless you think the price is right!
All I am trying to say is have faith and let our negotiators do their work.
4) Plastic fans
You can change your wife, change your religion but you cannot ever change the football team you truly support. Cut the crap about withholding your support if the club don't do what you want because if that's how you feel you never truly supported the club and don't have any support to withold
I've been a gooner for more than 40 years and I have seen much worse times than this. Don't believe the rubbish spouted by that Durham person and his press cohorts. If you are a true gooner you have the right to an opinion but you would never talk about withholding your support.
Remember we are THE Arsenal. Whatever you hear about other clubs we had the best average league placing across the 20th century and we will be back.
Let's see who is signed and then support whatever 11 wear the shirt in every game and then we will get back to winning things
Sorry that was long winded
Soopergooner
Totally agree on the amounts we bid.
We can't just pay the asking price like $hitty as we have limited funds
3m saved adds up to an extra player or more cash for wages
Good analogy on buying a house although there will be the odd time that you have to pay for something if you really want it.
Also - some people view houses with unrealistic valuations. The market drives the price, if you can't afford it then shop elsewhere
So - if we really want Higuain then we may need to pay the price or shop in the discount isle. If we only have 20m to spend then I refer to my previous comment or wait for everyone to shop and see what's left!
SY4
Wouldn't we just have to match the offer put towards Barca? So the only way Cesc would join united is if we passed on the opportunity or if Cesc declined our offer
Nice post
Well said. Very good post!
At last! sensable posts! of course we will bring in players, if for no other reason that wenger and gazidis would face a revolt they will not weather if they mess it up. and cesc to man u. please. why on earth is he going to leave a club he loves to join a club he hates. and play under moyes!. no chance
And why oh why does anyone listen to talks***
Good shout mate
Disagree with part 3) Prices and Negotiations
Using the same analogy:
You have a family of five so you need a four bedroom. Seller asks for 200k. You have 200k but don't think it's worth it.
You can do what AW would do. Buy a three bedroom across the street for 170k, squeeze into it and leave you wife and kids miserable.
Or you could do what Mourinho or Fergie would do. Stump up the cash. Move into the four bedroom. Everyone's happy. Hell you'd even get a dog to ease the kids transition.
I KNOW which is the better option!
Wenger wants something for nothing and you can't get it in any walk of life.
Hi, excellent post, especially the last couple of paragraphs:)
COYG (regardless!) andi:)
I like your analogy NI Gunner
What they said ^
Nice post. You should register and post more :)
Disagree about housing prices but I think that's been covered - my own parents paid over the odds for our house, but only because it was still twice the size of what we'd have got for the same money 300 miles south.
But yeah, nice one!
15 Jul 2013 20:13:32
Higuain to Napoli.
Suarez to Madrid.
Benteke to Liverpool.
Can just see it now.
I agree with the first two, but I think Benteke will end up at the Lane.
Napoli signed Damio
15 Jul 2013 19:50:42
I appreciate fab's clauses may have been spoken about before, but in light of utd's apparent bid today, let's try and clear it up.
Barcelona agreed to give Arsenal a first refusal £25million first-option clause should they eventually decide to sell.
If Arsenal were to refuse that option, they would still be entitled to half of Fabregas's next transfer fee.
The key thing is, "should they decide to sell".
Just because utd have bid, it doesn't mean they will accept it. IF they do then the clause they have with arsenal will be activated.
If they did decide to sell and arsenal didn't bid or cesc decided to join utd and not arsenal- then bacra would want a lot more than 25mil!
Especially with the 50% sell on.
In fact, unless they received 50mil+ then they may as well sell to asrenal and get the full 25mil (as opposed to half of let's say 40mil, if that makes sense?).
But by all accounts its unlikely that either barca or cesc want to part company right now.
Unless cesc feels he has more competition now with neymar joining? Possible, but still not convinced.
15 Jul 2013 18:41:54
Haven't posted in a while as nothing concrete to comment on. The Cesc thing though I feel is clean cut. Barcelona have just sold Thiago for 22M they are not going to sell Cesc the same summer and certainly not for less than 35M. So Manchester United bidding 25M is pointless. Cesc himself has stated he doesn't want leave at all, if he did and we enquired he would without question return to us. He isn't for sale and we enquired end of. It's a bit like Crystal Palace making an offer for Messi they can offer but there's ***k all chance it will happen.
Few other people asking between Suarez or Higuian got be to Higuain less baggage more goals.
Holmesy
15 Jul 2013 18:20:15
This is just a scenario.
Liverpool say to us: '45 mil for Suarez and he is yours'
Fabregas goes to united for 30 mil, we get 50% of the sell on fee (it's in the contract apparently?) so we get 15 mil.
We add the 15 mil to the 30 mil we have already bid for Suarez, equaling the 45 mil required to get Suarez.
This isn't a real suggestion, just a thought. obviously I wouldn't want Fabregas at United.
Nick.
Nick, Arsenal have the money to buy Suarez for £45m if they wish. The problem is like MU Arsenal do not like to pay over the odds for players. Arsenal will not spend £45m on Suarez because he isn't worth £45m as a package. As a footballer he is on par with the Falcao's and Cavani's of this world, perhaps slightly under. But as a human being he is on par with sewerage rats and the common tick. With his track record a club would be foolish to spend a penny over £35m on him.
Sydney!
We only get half of any profit over the £25mill buy clause.
A £30mill accepted bid not matched by us will give us half of £5mill.
Man Utd will win the league if they get cesc, no question unfortunately
Bergkamp5353
15 Jul 2013 18:10:04
Hi eds, a lot of talk of signing a striker and we do desperately need one, but how come there has been a lot less talk about a DM since fellaini and no talk about a new right back?
Any news on those positions? {Ed027's Note - nothing mate, maybe Cesc deeper?
15 Jul 2013 18:05:07
I'd say we can forget about these "we let united sign Cesc so we can sign Rooney" rumours
Wenger loves Cesc, Cesc would only leave Arsenal (HIS WORDS)
Paul
Agree there. will never happen like that
15 Jul 2013 18:04:32
If United sign Fabregas, I will completely lose my faith in Wenger. He can't let this happen. Fabregas was a great player for us for several years (unlike a certain Dutchman), and the idea of him playing for United is horrifying. Apparently we have this 'first refusal' clause on his contract, and he and the board keep claiming we have the money, so there would be no excuses if he signed for United (I think if Cesc decided to come back to England, he would definitely choose us over United).
Macc Gooner
15 Jul 2013 17:33:04
Hi Eds. I was wondering if you guys would consider polls on this site from time to time. For example, five or six names of possible or wished signings and allow guys to vote, see vote results, etc. Thank you.
Lanz {Ed027's Note - they will be coming soon mate
15 Jul 2013 17:22:40
Not good news in Marca they claim Napoli in poke position to sign Higuain and offering 30mil needed. Hope this is a load of rubbish or we truly are going to end up with another set of almost world class players.
They are in the poke position? Looks like you are screwed then ;)
BornInToIt
15 Jul 2013 20:20:47
I saw another report saying napoli are going for damiao. Once the cavani deal goes through.
15 Jul 2013 17:17:13
If Barcelona accept an offer from Manchester United, Arsenal will be offered him, due to the clause in his contract, to which will will accept. He will cost Arsenal £25 million. Arsenal will both be strengthening the squad in this move and simultaneously leaving United with fewer attacking midfield options.
This is only if Barcelona decide to sell him.
Gunnersaurus
Actually from what I have read, we have the right to match the offer, whatever the offer maybe. no fixed fee of 25mill.
there's a reason united are bidding, they would not bid, knowing we can take him for cheaper, they are trying to bid to a point, we won't bid for the player.
But United know this, something doesn't make sense
Paul
"This is only if Barcelona decide to sell him. "
Barcelona made it clear several months ago that they would only sell cesc if he wanted to leave and subsequently, cesc has stated he is happy to stay at barca, unless the club decided to sell him!
So. you work it out.
United are desperate for a class attacking midfielder Paul. They were hoping for Thiago and now he's gone to Bayern, they are going to push hard for Fabregas. I still have it under good authority though that if he leaves, it is only going to be for Arsenal.
Gunnersaurus {Ed027's Note - I have a feeling Utd will go for Modric...that's to all Utd fans that have come on here today
I can see them going for kroos
Bergkamp5353
15 Jul 2013 23:22:58
Ed0027, I think you may be right. modric really could be a possibility with cesc bid being the smokescreen ;)
sydney!
From reports online it seems modric was not considered.
also I doubt madrid would want to sell modric after a year.
i would find it very hard for barcelona to sell cesc, unless the likes of david silva or juan mata became available, which I doubt. hence he is likely to stay on.
also he seems to be happy. holidays with messi. lol. he must be like a kid in candyland.
16 Jul 2013 12:59:38
it would a better move for them Ed0027 I think, it is very unlikely they would be able to get fabregas. he doesn't really want to leave plus if he did, it would only be for us.
gunnersaurus
15 Jul 2013 16:57:30
Come on Wenger. Christian Eriksen, or Bernard, Capoue, Rami, let's go!
15 Jul 2013 16:50:35
1) According to www.marca.com as soon as Cavani sing for PSG then Napoli will bid 30M euros for Higuain, Benitez is very keen on the Argentine.
2) If such a famous clause in Fabregas contract where Arsenal is supposed to have preference over any other club, I wonder why Man U is bidding for him. I honestly believe that that clause is only an urban leyend otherwise why will Man U be wasting time?
MEX Gooner!
They've just signed Leandro Damiao so not sure how much truth there is in all the 'Jackson Martinez/Higuain to Napoli' rumours.
Because they may have had positive talks with his agent
The clause, as far as I understand it is that arsenal will have first option- that means bacra have to let arsenal know that a bid has been made and if arsenal make that bid they will accept it.
It doesn't however guarantee that 1) arsenal will make a bid (they may choose not to) and 2) which club the player, cesc, will join, if he decides to leave/the club want to sell him.
Make sense?
Benitez is no dafty and imo Higuain is there for the taking, he wants a title push and is building a decent team. Amazing how much this transfer saga has changed from 5 weeks ago.
I expect they would hope we didn't want him, either that or they're calling our bluff in the hope we do sign him which would leave us with less money to buy a striker and a cdm, which is where we really should be investing our money. Personally I think the return of Cesc would be such a motivation boost to the team. Between him Wilshere and Arteta we wouldn't need a cdm. They could rotate during play.
I would looooooove to see Wilshere, Arteta, Cesc and Cazorla on the same pitch together. Throw Suarez into the mix and would soil myself.
Gooner83
15 Jul 2013 16:49:35
Rooney on his way, with Fabregas going to United. Hence Rooney returning from the United tour.
Or maybe Rooney, wait for it, is actually injured. Get lost troll.
Yeah we can all speculate- but speculation is not facts!
15 Jul 2013 16:43:47
If anyone needs the Fabregas situation any clearer after this then they obviously can't read:
Last month, Fàbregas, the former Arsenal captain, said he wanted to stay at Barcelona. "I've always said that I'm happy at Barça. Whoever says that I'm leaving doesn't know me and has never spoken with me, " he said. "Nor with my agent, because he knows that I don't want him to talk with other people about me.
"I'm very private and I don't even talk about these things with my family. If someone says anything that isn't that I want to play at Barça, it's completely absurd. "
Barcelona have said publicly that the midfielder is not for sale. "The player is not transferable, "
Paul
MU would not make a formal bid for Cesc unless he himself has given the green light via his agent. People need to forget what players say as I remember RvP saying similar things in the past and Suarez is "open" to a move to an English club NOW. That being said I am not sure Cesc will be achievable.
Sydney! {Ed027's Note - you're clutching at straws
How about buying fab, hig, suarez and fillani. last day of transfer window go and buy a defender? how would people feel about those singings. I do feel man u don't have much money and only putting teams on alert with there own transfer targets. I want to see arsenal win the prem but we don't have the squad to rival the top 3. simon
Thank you Paul I was just about to write a post about this neverending story myself. To everyone else. Cesc is not an person and would never go to Man U. He loves Arsenal not a question about that. He would never turn down Wenger for Man U. Never in a million years.
MU would not make a formal bid for Cesc unless he himself has given the green light via his agent= Sydney!
Oh ok, like thiago you mean?
What part of my post is "Clutching at straws" Ed? I have said I don't think Cesc is achievable. As for being given the green light. That is how it works mate. MU will not make a formal bid for a player unless they know the player will consider the move. It's about saving face. Clubs like MU and Arsenal do not like players turning them down publicly. Arsenal wouldn't have bid for Suarez unless his camp gave Arsenal the thumbs up.
Sydney! {Ed027's Note - That bit 'cesc would have given the green light'. Are you trying to tell me Messi gave Anzhi the heads up when they bid for him? That is taping up, club has to be contacted first
It's not tapping up if you go through a player's agent. This is generally how it works Ed. With Messi it would have been common sense to go to Barcelona first as they would have strongly considered it. Messi was always going to reject the chance. Unless this is a token bid or there is a sinister reason behind this bid, it's highly likely if this bid is genuine, that Cesc would have given the thumbs up via his agent prior to the bid.
Sydney! {Ed027's Note - in that case Messi's situation is similar to Cesc's? When Man City bid for Kaka, Kaka did not want to go there, a recent example would be Wanyama he did not want to go to Cardiff or even Southampton at first, so he never gave this so called 'heads up', Celtic accepted the bid, Wanyama rejected the first offer, but after negotiations Wanyama accepted after he realised that was the biggest move he was going to get
But Wanyama was open for a move away from Celtic and that is why Cardiff and Southampton bid for him. Kaka did not want the RM move, but AC Milan wanted the cash so RM going to AC was a good way to go about getting him.
Big clubs 'generally' find out if the player is open to a move beforehand. It's so the club do not look like plums when the player publicly comes out and rejects them. Am I correct in saying RvP & Cesc share the same agent?
I am not sure Cesc is achievable realistically, but generally it's how things work. Unless MU are confident Barcelona will accept a bid giving Cesc a decision to make? Or could the bid be a token bid or some sort of smokescreen for another player?
Modric is available and MU always do their business in private. The Baines and Cesc bids being media knowledge so quickly is kind of suspect to me, or am I just a pessimist?
Sydney! {Ed027's Note - We will both never agree, I will always think the club has to be contacted first. I understand Kees vos is RVP's agent, Dein was some sort of advisor and parted company with RVP (I could be wrong), if Barca were to sell Cesc, it would only be to Arsenal imo, not because they want to but because if they sell elsewhere they will not get the full fee
You don't believe this 50% of fee nonsense do you Ed?
Anyhow, good night all.
Sydney! {Ed027's Note - it seems odd, but at the same time legit, because we sold him on the cheap, we had to put these clauses in to make up for the low price, nobody really even thought he would ever leave Barca
15 Jul 2013 16:41:32
Man U have bid for Cesc, but I don't think he will leave this season. If Thiago had of stayed at Barca then maybe he would have had to re-evaluate his situation at the club.
Everyone saying that Cesc won't play for another English club doesn't really wash with me. I sincerely hope this is the case and any Utd fan I have spoken to today, I say the same thing living in hope.
If Barca are prepared to let Cesc go, I can see our stupid bloody manager dithering. He'll hang about hoping to get Cesc on the cheap, then Cesc will realise obviously Utd want him more and decide to go there. He's Spanish, a boyhood Barca fan, not an Arsenal fan (that showed a few summers ago).
If Barca are prepared to let him go Wenger should pull out all the stops and sign him instantly.
Now thiago as gone I don't think cesc will leave maybe a loan as its the World Cup next year. And certainly don't expect him to join united either way. Not this season but next I think he will be one of barcas main players.
MgM
15 Jul 2013 16:27:01
Ed0029. I didn't say they were making a bid for a players they didn't wish to buy. I was suggesting the possibility that maybe some deals have! been done and arsenal are not revealing their hand at this point. {Ed029's Note - So again - Arsenal has not purchased Higuain and Fabregas.}
15 Jul 2013 16:08:42
Was in a good mood until I heard all this Cesc to utd stuff. Really hope ed is right about the bid being a good thing and forcing us to bid then of course we have to hope he chooses us but still have a really bad feeling in my stomach
You should take some Imodium or eat some ginger for that bad feeling in your stomach.
15 Jul 2013 15:32:05
since no activity, thought I would share my top five favorite posters:
5. Lakerville
4. Flybo
3. Paul
2. Metal gooner
Number 1 is Malaga Gooner. Paul the Octopus' evil twin brother who never gets anything right, but still my fav
Peace
Out of the medals yet again ;-)
Flybo
What about me?!
Lucas
I better have been in the Top 10, or at least have won the equivalent of the Capital One Cup.
I made 3 cheers! Malaga is my favourite too, despite the garbage he spouts!
Paul
My favourite is Metal & Lakerville. there post are the most sensible on this page and which I personally like to read as far as Malaga goes he is in a class of his own.
Dnt worry flybo u got 4th wot is it ivan and wenger say about that ;-)
CTR
Aw I feel liked! LOL
Thanks!
Flybo, what are you talking about? You missed the medals but landed the trophy!
Have u never read any of my posts
seantgooner
CTR
I'll give you that :-)
Flybo
15 Jul 2013 15:41:37
Eds is it possible 4 Arsenal 2 make 2 major signings of Suarez & Fabregas (if he becomes available)? It wil really make our attack th deadliest in the league.
Nam-gooner {Ed027's Note - yes, I expect 2 big signings (15m+)
It would be worse. if Cesc joined utd over us after saying how much he loves us time and time again and the whole leaving to go home thing then just going to utd. He would be HATED
15 Jul 2013 15:37:49
Not getting ahead of myself with the Fabregas to United chat, although I really hope it happens. Just out of curiosity, how would you react if Fabregas did join us? Will he be subjected to the abuse RvP gets? Or is it different because he wouldn't be signing direct?
It would be worse.
Flybo
If Cesc went to Man United I would never ever forgive him. It's worse than RVP because Cesc gave us the impression that he left to join his boyhood club and that he loved Arsenal. Right now he's still one of my top Arsenal players and I hope he comes back soon.
No one can ever top the betrayal of van persie and i'm 100% confident that fabregas will never never join man utd
watford gooner
15 Jul 2013 16:21:51
Fab won't be joining your long list of desperate wants any time soon.
Try Adam lallana.
There's only a few people that leave arsenal and the fans still love, fabregas and Henry being the most loved in my opinion.
If fabby joined united I don't think there will be an arsenal fan alive that wouldn't hate him.
Desperate wants?
I suppose wanting is better than desperate need. As in desperate need of a trophy lol.
For me Vieira is on that list too. He might be at City but my god I loved seeing him run the midfield.
There is something special about Thierry though. The way he still speaks about the club, he genuinely loves Arsenal and is a fan as well as a legend.
Paul
He would be hated more, believe me.
GRD haha! You should be on stage!
Sweeping it
Flybo
Good comeback to the desperate wants comment GRD. Lol
Agree with Paul that Viera is on list with Henry and Fab.
I refuse to believe that Fab would ever go to Utd and I would never be able to forgive him if he did.
"There are three people I owe in this life, my mother, my father and Arsene Wenger"
Dnt waste ure time GRD its all well and good when its saurez they are tempting but when its a player they used to have then its wrong, mind u if Ronnie went to city i'd boil lol.
God us fans can be so fickle lol
CTR
All about the banter troops and despite my love for United & Rangers, I enjoy the Arsenal page the most if I'm honest.
15 Jul 2013 15:35:44
Ed, why are you saying we should be happy about this United bid? Is it because it will force us to make a move? {Ed027's Note - yes, and we will, Cesc is probably the only player Wenger would happily spend a ton of cash on
Don't think I would hate any transfer more than Cesc to utd IF he does go there and IF we don't try to sign him then all I can say is AAARRGHHH!
Lovin your optimism ed. I hope you are right. Please god. Let ed be right.
"All we are saying. Is let Ed be right"
*breaks into song*
15 Jul 2013 15:35:12
If we were to re-sign Cesc could it be as a forward (False 9) as we are not short of central midfielder players?
Poly I wouldn't care where we played Cesc, I would rather have him sit on the bench than him go up north to partner that person.
I'd take him in goal
Paul
15 Jul 2013 15:34:40
Simple question to Gooners everywhere.
If we had the choice between either Gonzalo Higuian or Luis Saurez. Who would we choose, they both look like it will take 35m to buy?
I think they both have good and minus points.
Higuian, proven goal scorer but never played in Premiership
Saurez, lots of baggage but scores goals for fun in the Premier League
Do we take the chance with GH or risk it with LS?
I would go for Higuian but there ain't much in it
Let us know your thoughts
I would take the Hig, who says Suarez wouldn't do something to force a move from us in a couple of years like he has done with his last 2 clubs
15 Jul 2013 16:24:12
Fantastic King Luis would do it for me
15 Jul 2013 15:22:11
Believe me. Suarez will go to real madrid and higuain will go to liverpool. In the end, higuain may be forced to leave madrid and join liverpool. I'm honestly expecting this.
15 Jul 2013 15:28:16
Ok Brendan thanks for letting us know
Stoner
You know Higuain will have to accept the move to Liverpool.
Let's face it, you're a Liverpool fan trying to annoy us when truthfully you have no chance of signing him.
Close the door on your way out.
How are they going to force a player to go to a team he doesn't want to?
Would you let your current employer force you to sign a contract with a company you didn't want to work for?
15 Jul 2013 16:27:11
Or he could just pull a Bendtner, start wearing number 52 and decide not to go anywhere
15 Jul 2013 15:18:14
Hi eds, reports now confirming that UTD have bid for fabregas we know there is a clause in his contract giving us the option to buy him back but it doesn't really mean anything unless he wants to return, can he reject a move to us and still leave and go to them?
Rimardo {Ed027's Note - it is possible, but that's the worst that could happen, if he leaves it'll be Arsenal, Wenger is like his Father
15 Jul 2013 15:10:57
Just imagine how heartbroken we'll all be if Wenger sticks to his three 10-15m players and Fabregas joined Utd (because it is WC year).
Wenger would have to go then.
Anyway, this is what happens hopefully:
Begovic
Zouma
Fellaini
Fabregas
Suarez
15 Jul 2013 15:41:00
I'd be happy with 3 £15m signings if they were in the correct areas. Begovic, Rami, Abate, Capoue, Yilmaz (Galatasaray ST) I'd certainly be happy with them.
I'm obviously overjoyed Wenger is looking to spend £20m on a forward but I think a Gk, CDM and even a CB should be priority. I think next season Walcott, Giroud and Podolski will up their goal tallies.
Detroit Gooner
No, no, yes, yes, no
While I laud your optimism I think three £15m signings again sends the wrong message.
For the record, I think we could challenge with the right three £15m signings. It is the psychological boost of signing a ready made star like Suarez that would really make a huge difference.
Our players would be given that extra belief. Our opponents would panic.
15 Jul 2013 15:05:38
Fabregas / Manchester United bid being reported by Guardian.
This concerns me now. Guardian tend to stick to the facts and the way its being reported sounds genuine.
Will be livid if we don't make a move.
AG
Like when they said that Higuain has signed?
15 Jul 2013 14:51:00
So united make a 25 million pound bid for Fabby.
Please Arsene, don't let two former captains play for united. Especially fabregas. PLEASE.
15 Jul 2013 14:29:56
I wouldn't take any notice what the sports tv channel say about L. S of Liverpool. I don't think for one minute Wenger will folk out 40m on one player. This guy carried the team last year but don't see them selling unless they need the funds for rebuilding, even them he wild be more likely to head to RM. km
15 Jul 2013 14:10:04
United bid 25m for cesc, regardless pf first refisal we won't pay the wage!
On the other hand tv report that they spoke with the Liverpool board and asked the quedtion "could Luis Suarez be playing in an Arsenal shirt next season?" And they replied "Maybe"
Thats a good sign regarding the suarez saga but has anyone got news on rooney or Higuain?
Feltham Gunner!
15 Jul 2013 14:08:52
i feel that we will definately sign a new striker, realistically, higuian or even maybe suarez? who wants what??
15 Jul 2013 14:04:24
Wenger speaking in Asia today:
Wenger insists the club's deal-makers are working over-time to ensure his squad is strengthened significantly before the start of the season.
'You want me to announce a spectacular signing but I can't, ' admitted Wenger, 'but we are working behind the scenes. '
Make of that what you will. I guess its what we hope is happening at least!
15 Jul 2013 13:56:48
hi eds
first time poster on this site, though been following it for some time, great job.
just a quick question for one of you if we bought bernard, would he even get a work permit? as he only plays in Brazil. would love to see him in an Arsenal shirt though.
cheers
freddy52 {Ed027's Note - he would get a work permit
15 Jul 2013 13:44:13
To all th eds. Thanxxx. I know its not many words but its th simplest way to give u guys th heads up. Is not easy dealing wit lots of clubs, each comin wit its drama. Some even more than other. Good work.
Nam-gooner {Ed027's Note - thanks mate
15 Jul 2013 12:34:36
Hey Ed just saw on sky Moyes says he's going to bid for fabregas or somethin do we have first refusal on fabregas or a buy back clause or something Cheers mate
Ft280t {Ed027's Note - yes we do, don't worry about it, be excited if anything
15 Jul 2013 13:49:42
Liverpool fan in peace, last season everyone was saying Suarez was a disgrace to football, now everyone wants him? Ah well. He is a good player but don't you feel that he may disrupt Arsenal?
As a Liverpool fan I would love him to stay, yet if we were buying him I would have my doubts. Good luck next season.
Marcus
Now that's a good post. Very true mate.
15 Jul 2013 13:47:32
I'm sorry but if Wenger stays loyal to Giroud and doesn't buy Higuain, I will seriously consider my support for The Arsenal for the upcoming season. Until he buys atleast 2 top signings my support has been put in hold.
What if Giroud scores 25+ goals?
Nick.
Another example of a TRUE fan. Disgrace
Wow hat a true loyal fan you are!
I hope we win the league with the team we already have. Then you'll be gutted you chose Spuds!
Jog on Plastic fan!
Cammy out!
xxx
Real dedicated fan ain't ya, try chelsea down the road and don't come back
Where do you get all this 'LET ' out of the door. when a player decides to leave he is going to. especially when he's close to end of contract. we had ZERO chance of keeping any of those you mentioned. Do you think club 'LET' AFC walk off with Fabregas/Vierra/Anelka and their best mate Et Cetera
You can't as a true supporter put your support on hold! You INITIALLY choose your club after that it becomes what you are. So Mr unsigned you are not yet a supporter of our great club as you are still in the process of choosing.
15 Jul 2013 16:29:25
Christ Exiled,
I simply mean we have to replace that quality with the same, it was just a term as in they are gone, we need to replace with similar quality!
Stoner
We all want to see the best signings come to our club, ofc! We all get that.
And boy the club is frustrating at times, but support for your football club is not conditional.
I guess there are boundaries/limits, but signing 2 top players, or not, wouldn't make me want to stop supporting my club. However infuriating it might be.
At my worst period supporting my beloved Arsenal I held off buying the new jersey for about a month out of frustration but a TRUE fan would never consider stopping following his club, Arsenal are part of who I am and my identity and everyone that knows me knows this, pi$$ off up the road to chel$ki plastic person.
15 Jul 2013 13:40:33
This is just an example of sorts but if you do the following,
Chelsea, take away Cech, Hazard, Mata and Ramirez.
Man Utd, take away RVP, Carrick, Vidic and Kagawa
City, take away, Kompany, Toure, Silva and Hart.
Which one would win the title?
Arsenal, take away, Cesc, RVP, Nasri and never replace Viera.
That's the quality we let walk out the door, unless similar walks back in this summer we won't be winning anything soon.
Those first three are all in the process of adding to what they have. Arsene in my book will be signing big or in the line from one of my fave films, we're proper phucked.
Fabregas replaced Vieira
15 Jul 2013 13:34:12
man u bid for fabregas surely if the offer is accepted we shoud put in a offer
15 Jul 2013 13:21:44
Suarez and Fabregas to Arsenal?
United seem to have forced our hand by making a bid. If true it would be madness for us not to exercise our buy back option. Personally I am not convinced he is the player we need for midfield but I want him back. I would hate seeing him at United.
Suarez has to be on doesn't he? Otherwise why would we not have completed on Higuain? Too much evidence to suggest we are close to a deal.
15 Jul 2013 13:05:29
It's my birthday tomorrow and what I really want as a present Is for Arsenal to make some top quality signings.
At least have a bid accepted for a top player and I'll be happy.
C'mon Wenger
Fabregas
Higuain
Suarez
Fellaini
Rooney
I'll take any.
Ill take all of them
Bergkamp5353
My birthday is today and I so wanted a signing for a present :D
Happy birthday BgdGooner and advance wishes Josh09. I hope you get your presents later than never :)
SM
15 Jul 2013 12:58:18
Sky reporting Arsenal's initial offer to Liverpool to Suarez was nearer to 35m than 30m and a new improved bid is expected.
Sky also reporting Manchester United to make 35m offer for Fabregas.
Unfortunately a deal for 'Fellaini has been put on hold until we can purchase a striker, whether it be Suarez/Rooney/Higuain
15 Jul 2013 12:51:21
Man u supposedly putting in a 35m bid in for Cesc. If Cesc does not stay at Barca or come to us, and goes there instead. I would hate him above all others by a country mile.
Just needed to get that off my tar filled chest.
Flybo
Yeah agreed- right now I can't even imagine it happening, as it feels my stomach with a knot.
Will u understand liverpool fans thinking the same way?
CTR
Yeah, even though he has already left arsenal, it will somehow still feel like a portrayal.
But do you think its likely? it's obvious, after barca, that cesc loves arsenal.
He still keeps tabs on the scores every week and stays in touch with wenger and some of the players.
But I guess, these days, that doesn't count for much.
I would be absolutely gutted if it happened.
CTR
Yes, but Suarez has never said he wanted to go HOME to Real (as it isn't) or said he would never play for another English team. On top of that I doubt Suarez has had the relationship with BR that Cesc has had with Arsene. There are differences between the two.
However, if Suarez has any shred of respect for Liverpool after what he's put them through (football aside) then he should move abroad, but we're talking about Suarez here.
Flybo
Yes CTR- I would get that!
Moyes should spend the money on baines. 20mill or so. and then another 40mill on modric and enjoy wasting some money.
Man utd are nothing better than city, than to go after all of the arsenal players.
no wonder their youth team sucks. they still hold on to that class of 1992.
15 Jul 2013 12:36:47
Bendther to hull city. Hope so. This is what you get when you give a person 52k a week and expect him to take a 40% -50% wage cut. Socialist wages. my arse. km
15 Jul 2013 12:33:22
signings I think arsenal should make.
Mathias Ginter
Geoffrey Kondogbia
Bernard
Gonzalo Higuain
possibly another midfeilder Like Cesc on loan for more strength in depth and experience but otherwise 'I' would be happy with these signing, not necessarily going to happen, and I think we will challenge for the title and other trophys with these additions.
what do you guys think
suffolkgooner
Bernard would be an awesome signing! Looks great already at his young age and with huge potential.
/Pat
15 Jul 2013 12:01:11
RUE 1025. Thanks mate I was just trying to make sense of what might! be going on and I appreciate your sensible reply to my post. Some people's replies imply I must be some sort of mug or something. I'm far from that. Thanks mate I appreciate it.
I saw your post too Fibby and I can understand exactly where you are coming from. I've been involved in football for many many years now management coaching and as a player. What you have said I can confirm does go on even as recently as last season the club where I am. We would not let one of the players be sold to a particular club as we knew which players they had ALREADY bought in and in our opinion it would have made them too powerful in certain positions. So we took the decision to sell this player to another team abroad. So your post was quite accurate. {Ed002's Note - No man, it was total rubbish. Arsenal has not already purchased Fabregas and Higuain. I think Fibby is just showing how gullible some of the Gooners can be.}
15 Jul 2013 13:10:09
FIBBY you're really EDDIE5555 aren't you?
I am FIBBY don't know who you are talking about who is EDDIE5555 more to the point who are you?
15 Jul 2013 16:08:02
i said that maybe a strategy of not revealing if they have purchased any players at this time may sometimes be in their favour.
15 Jul 2013 11:37:44
John Cross, journo in Asia with arsenal, said after interviewing wenger:
"Wenger left me convinced they'll deliver at least 2 big names. They are in the market for 'top level' signings".
Heard all before? Yes we have.
Despite some of the cynicism (which I can understand) going around, I just have a sneaky feeling they we will sign a couple of top players this summer.
At least I think they actually intend to, whether they pull it off is ofc something else entirely.
Lets hope they can do it. I think we will have to be patient for a while yet, alas.
Doesn't take much to convince John Cross or any other sports writer. Whether they believe or not, they eventually make the story up
I feel like John cross really does have the inside scoop - particularly as he is on tour with Arsenal and regularly speaks with Wenger.
I highly doubt he has been given any explicit insider info - but that he is working off of body-language and what is implicitly being said.
Yep true.
Would not have expcted him to say anything else really son. He would have sounded a right p**ck if he had said anything to the contrary. Can you imagine him saying something along the lines of " Yeah well, there are a few players we fancied but we thought do you know what? we will give it another miss this season " ha Ha
15 Jul 2013 11:12:34
That Ed52 made me laugh, stating on this page that Liverpool are "one good transfer window away from being level with Arsenal"!
What a joke. If we didn't strengthen, they kept Suarez and that person Rodgers was given £200m to spend they'd only waste it.
This "bad times are behind us, onwards and upwards, next season is our season, this year was just our transition" is getting funnier every year, but at the same time becoming quite sad for what was once a big club.
I hope they get back into Europe next season, but can't see Brendan being the man for the job.
Rodgers is still in the process of teaching Liverpool how to play football. This will take considerably more time than he expects.
The old Bill Shankley book of philosophy of pass, run and receive has not been found for some 23 years.
Liverpool's new training methods incorporate every player being tied to a bungy cord. Once the ball has been passed the player is then catapulted up the pitch.
The problem Rodgers now has is how to stop the player from exceeding the limits of Anfield.
I wouldn't be so confident about laughing at it. If they actually nailed a couple of good signing (Alonso and Torres style) and we did nothing it would be close. You're right in some sense though, they'd probably blow it on tosh again.
At 64 years of age and managing in the Azerbaijani league I can't see Tosh renewing his playing career now - even if it is for his beloved 'pool.
Mind you if they lose Suarez. and Keegan promises to come back too.
YNWA, alright dere wack, calm down calm down.
CECEGUaW actually
Haha yous might have a point about Toshack
15 Jul 2013 10:58:11
I was a bit worried by Wenger's comments after yesterday's game. Seems he is happy with the squad. I hope he is not tempted into not buying. Our squad is still the same as last season, and we came bloody 4th! How can you expect to get a different result when you use the same formula?
come on Arsene! The squad is not good enough to win the League nor FA cup yet let alone the champion's league. Seriously can't see the current squad overcoming Bayern, borrusia, Madrid or Barcelona
wise up Arsene!
He is happy with the squad, the squad a a whole is quite good compared to a lot of other teams. he also says though that a few top class signings will takes us upo a level, which is what every supporter says also.
o2bag
15 Jul 2013 10:48:26
I will either get crucified for this or lots of people agreeing.
I have a major sense of De Je Vu regards to the current transfer windows.
We are told we have a large transfer budget to spend on world class players and no player is out of our reach but currently no big name signings and only an under 20 French international.
Nothing is going to happen while we are away on tour and then I truly see not transfers coming into the club.
In my mind we need 3 players to help make this team great again :
1/ GK - WC & LF are too injury prone
My suggestion - Begavic or Krul
2/ DM - Never replace PV since he left
My suggestion and a total no brainer MF at Everton
3/ STK - OG & LP great players but not out & out goal scorers
My Suggestion - GH or LS (but he carries loads of baggage)
I know people will say have faith till time to go but we have been here so many times before and its getting always the same, no players in or last minute deals where the players have no time to settle in.
Am I alone in thinking this or do other gooners looked at the rumour websites and get totally disheartened.
Well the suarez situation is interesting.
even RVP in all his judas-ness did not pout and shout to get out.
Suarez is not only burning bridges with all the fans, but he is basically forcing himself out, just short of a transfer request.
I really don't see arsenal going over £40mil if it comes down to it. and if overseas interest does not come from Real, I really don't see how Liverpool can keep him, but to accept the Arsenal bid and sell him.
Madrid also know that on the last day of the window they can put up 40 mil and it will be accepted, Suarez has hurt his transfer value, and everyone is calling liverpools bluff, in stating they will keep him no matter what.
Cavani said nothing - went for crazy money, falcao said nothing - the same, rooney saying nothing - even thou he may want out, and countless other players. but Suarez is really stomping his feet.
even higuain wanting out is being quiet, knowing these things take time.
anyway let's see how this window goes, and if we end up with a marqee player, which I think we will.
Would read a lot easier if you would just take an extra minute and give the full names. Seriously, WC, LF, MF, OG, LP ect. WTF?
I might get shot down for this, but I don't rate Fellaini as a Paddy type of midfielder at all. Not athletic enough.
Where I do rate him however is further up the pitch where he bullies centre halves and creates space for the others with his size and power.
Kondogbia is the player in Viera's mould, similar size and athletic ability but with that technique and passing ability that is required of a modern day central modfielder nowadays.
Lwi
15 Jul 2013 10:36:21
I've always been a huge fan of Christian Eriksen.
He is looking for a transfer and Liverpool seem like a possible destination for him.
Eriksen is such a good player, it would be a waste not to get him for a price between 10-20mil.
He has fallen under the radar a little bit, with players like Hazard, Gotze, Lamela etc. getting a lot of attention over the past season or two. This would be a good chance to sign him for a lower price, and if we could get him for around 15 mil I would be stoked.
Dennis Bergkamp recommended him to us and has said on several occasions that Eriksen is definitely one for the future.
He is such a skilful player and can contribute goals and assists to the team. I'm surprised he doesn't have a much higher price tag.
He can play wide or central, with enough pace to challenge defenders in either position. He can take free kicks quite well, he is very creative and has a great understanding for the style of game we play.
Nick.
I'm with you on that one nick, I watched a video of him last night and must say I was very impressed, add the fact the Iceman has recommended him I can't see why we would not go for him only for the fact we have jack, ox and santi maybe?
15 Jul 2013 10:04:53
I know I will either get crucified and lots of agreements with what I am going to say.
I feel a sense of De Ja Vu happening and its not a nice feeling.
We are told we have a large amount of money to spend but so far its only rumours going round and the only signing is an under 20's French international with "bags of talent"
I can imagine the repsonse from AW when we don't but any one - " we tried but no one wanted to sell"
We need to buy at least 3 players to give this team a chance or its going to be a long season. Even Swansea (No disrespect to Swans fans) have spent money and bought a player.
I think we need 3 players :
1/ GK - WC and LK too error prone
2/ DM - Never replaced Vierra
3/ STK -
15 Jul 2013 09:57:14
Been going across the forums, liverpool, real madrid, man united, chelsea, city, barcelona to see the interest in our targets and possibly any news on movement,
all I can see is abuse to the ED's from the Arsenal fans. I thought our fans had class, clearly not from the looks of it.
A free forum, with free information, does not = harassment.
Massively disappointed in the fellow gooners.
Why would you think our fans had class? Are club has class. Our fans are no different to the rest unfortunately
Flybo
Touche
15 Jul 2013 09:48:23
Oh, please let the Higuain uphold be because we are raiding Real for Higuain, Khadira and Di Maria. I know it isn't likely, but it would be awesome!
Precisely! If ever there was a time we needed Wenger to pull out a 'Wenger move', this is it. People always talk about smokescreens and elsewhere I produced a list of players we thought we were going for, compared with the actual players we ended up signing -this is one situation I really hope he does come back with more than the rumours suggest.
15 Jul 2013 09:39:19
Trying not to get cynical. but it's getting hard.
Obviously when Wenger say: " "I like Olivier very much. He scored 17 goals in his first year in England when he needed to adapt and I'm sure he will respond. "
He is rightly supporting his player and giving him confidence into the new season. But I can't helpt he urge to assume the worst. That like most years, whether it's 'dithering' or 'haggling' or 'lacking funds' or 'excessive age demands' - that we are already planning our excuses.
Current attackers still includes:
Bendtner
Chamakh
Gervinho
So worst case Wenger can use this as an excuse to justify the lack of a big signing.
Sigh.
Billybob
I'm sure the "Excuse Department" at the Emirates is slowly but surely being
brought up to speed behind the scenes.
The "crunch" time (late August) is programmed with the usual lame excuses, evasive answers (from club spokesmen) and boll. s about who was or wasn't available.
However, if we do spend £70mill.
Cancel the above!
I concur mate. For once I would prefer a player who is not only a "hard worker", but someone with buckets of phenomenal natural talent as well i. e. Suarez. True he does have some baggage, but boy can that guy do some wonders with a football at his feet
I honestly don't think Wenger will have an issue spending £70m - he's spent £50m in the last 2 summers. The only concern is whether we will sell players to supplement it - by players I mean players we fans want to keep.
It's really tough. But I think we all know that there is still a hell of a lot to happen in this window. Chelsea, City, us, United, Liverpool, Spurs - none of those clubs have concluded their business yet. It does feel as though this Cavani thing really will be the catalyst for several moves. If Ibra decides to move then numbers-wise that frees up a striker for us somewhere. If he doesn't, we will have to settle for a lesser forward, likely unknown, in the Bony mould/level rather than the Higuain level.
15 Jul 2013 08:04:30
Here's a thought. Maybe Arsenal HAVE signed some players maybe Hig, Fabregas, who knows but also maybe Arsenal are being cagey about announcing it just yet because it puts a message out there to other teams of our position little bit like a game of poker. So if we were to put a bid in for let's say Suarez there is no way Liverpool would want to sell him to our team knowing what it's strength would be. Could just be you know! In the meantime we all get frustrated but there may be a good reason and this could be it. Strategy. {Ed029's Note - Or just rubbish.}
Ed. why rubbish!? {Ed029's Note - Arsenal have not signed Fabregas and Higuain. Clubs do not make bids for players they do not want to buy. It's rubbish.}
Complete rubbish statement.
So PSG will hold off anouncing the signing of Cavani, Monaco would prefer not to announce they have signed Falcao.
Chelsea would hold off anouncing the signing of Messi or Rooney.
This has got to be one of the most hilarious posts I've seen on this website
I would't rule out Wenger having agreed some deals in secret, but I do not think its for the reason you stated.
15 Jul 2013 06:59:52
gonzalo higuains agent will contact arsenal tommorow telling us whether higuain still wants to join us
if he does the signing will be anounced by friday
Its always a friday.
Madrid have 2 main strikers, Higuain and Benzema and some reports say that Higuain is in Ancelotti's plans.
Why would Madrid sell Higuain for £22m and buy Suarez for £40m. Doesn't make sense to me.
It would be more realistic for Napoli to buy Saurez and Madrid to keep Higuain leaving Arsenal with nothing again.
Teams like napoli do not spend 40 mill, they prefer to bank it in for a rainy day.
they grow by smart recruitment, not splash the cash method.
im stunned wenger is going to dedicate half his budget to one mad player.
Higuain has come out and said he wants to leave and Suarez they see as a better player. Madrid don't value Higuain anymore, he continues to outscore Benzema but is still considered second choice to him.
Ibrahimovic is leaving PSG Napoli's president came out and said Ibra won't line up with Cavani next year for PSG.
He will end up at Napoli/Madrid
15 Jul 2013 02:59:04
Anybody know where I could find a stream or download of the game last night? Cheers
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Highlights are on the espn site
15 Jul 2013 01:07:44
Eds any news on visas for Joel Campbell and Wellington Silva? Noticed Silva played in the under 21's the other day.
Please and thank you. {Ed027's Note - I understand Joel will get a work permit, and he should be getting a loan move in England. Wellington will go to Spain again, as he should get a permit next year. Miyaichi will also be loaned out to an English club again. Galindo will be be another Pedro Botelho
14 Jul 2013 23:44:26
hi ed can you tell me if we signed suarez could he play in the champs league playoff games? cheers mate
big dickey {Ed027's Note - Yes he could mate, he would miss the first 5 league games and the 3rd round of the league cup...big one for me is that he would miss Spurs at home
Suarez will not join Arsenal. Eventually more realistic and appealing offers will come in from other clubs, possibly Napoli, Chelsea or Madrid
If you are so sure that he will join Madrid or Chelsea, why haven't they come knocking on Liverpool's door? It's 15 days into the window, am sure if they were serious about getting him, he would be a priority. these higher profile teams do not muck around when they have a target in site
PS Chelsea still have Torres and Ba, Madrid still have Higuain and Benzema. Surely they can't try and get Suarez without offloading a striker. If and when they do offload a striker, then we should get worried. Napoli doesn't worry me, am sure Suarez realises that he will probably get more stick from the fans and media in Italy than he would ever get in England
15 Jul 2013 09:03:24
Ed0027 I can see that your also lookin forward to th prospect of suarez in our team.
nam-gooner {Ed027's Note - world class player
14 Jul 2013 23:11:27
Holy crap some of you guys are seriously deluded, you honestly think that you're going to get Suarez don't you? Your club do the same thing every single summer and you guys (not all of you admittedly) fall for it, they make unrealistic bids for players they will never get and you buy it until the end of the transfer window and then slag them off for not signing anyone. Suarez undoubtedly will leave LFC but not for Arsenal, almost every LFC fan I know thinks this, we're not what we were, we know this although we are trying hard to get back. The point is though its not because your club isn't good enough, its because they're stingy beyond belief. Arsenal are a good club and play great football but they string the fans along every summer, don't fall for it.
There's always a chance he will join, he said himself that he is happy teams like arsenal still want him and it sounds like we are bidding for him again.
We might not be an amazing team like 2003/04. But if you add Suarez into our team, he will take us to the next level, and possibly challenge the top 2.
You're right, I agree with what you're saying.
The only thing that gives some of us hope is the so called (proof in the pudding) "escalation in financial firepower" and the club's apparent intent on signing some stellar names this summer.
Whether that will happen in reality?
we can only wait and see. But many of us, aren't holding our breath.
15 Jul 2013 10:25:17
@akie if you read what he said, he's not saying that suarez wouldn't want to join arsenal necessarily, but that arsenal just won't pay what it might take to get him!
a big difference.