Arsenal Banter Archive October 30 2013

30 Oct 2013 20:54:51
Please give Jenkinson a break he is a young player who has done OK when in the first team, maybe sometimes he hasn't been top notch but how will he become that without experience? And dare I suggest such a thing as SUPPORT?

I have heard utd called moan utd this season and quite rightly so, I wonder what tittle the minority might start earning us soon unless we win every game 10 0?

Ramsey, Giroud were not always so highly thought of and there must have been times when they envied Jack much more for the support and understanding he got than his fantastic ability.

Get behind the whole team especially when the going gets tough, because let's face it that's when you always find out who you Real friends/fans are in all walks of life

Totally agree G62,
yes, jenks is not the most accomplished player on the planet but when he puts on the red and white he gives 100% in every game. he is still young and learning his trade and will get better.

Top post G62.
Jenkinson had a bad game we can all agree with that, but comments like "he will never be good enough" are really pissing me off. The boy is Arsenal through and through and had absolute quality performances last year. Now after one bad game he is crap and not good enough.
Sometimes I really think we have the worst and stupidest fans in the universe.

Well lads all I can think of is that for some of our fans its been a tough start to the season, top of the league, great football and even their most reliable source of entertainment Aaron letting them down with such fantastic performances its got to have been a frustrating time for them. When Ozil signed they must gone into deep depression at the thought of what might be!

I guess this is their time to celebrate and in Jenks they hope to have found a Ramsey replacement, takes all sorts I guess

30 Oct 2013 13:53:37
Just wondering from Arsenal fans if they are happy or not to be out of the league cup?

I can see it both ways. It means you can now concentrate on CL and PL and the FA Cup in the new year. however just pushing a cup competition to the side isn't really the mentality you would want to install into the players, right?

I also feel Arsenal are lacking in a true leader. A Tony Adams or a Patrick Viera. I feel that is the one thing that Arsenal need more than anything.

On the plus, you're looking good in the League, but this is going to be a defining month on your season I feel, in all competitions.

If you're just going to post sarcastic or stupid responses, don't bother.

This post is meant to be a start of a discussion. not a "we're better than you" slagging match that I expect to hear on the School playground.

Takes a lot of balls to go onto a rivals page, especially ours and start a proper conversation, I'm kinda happy we are out because we can concentrate on the big cups.

Would be good if teams in European competitions couldn't compete in the capital one cup, neither us or Chelsea played our first XI and we have just under a week to rest for the Liverpool match so I don't think we truly care about the capital one cup.

And the true leader thing I think is true at the moment, but I can see a leader in Ramsey and wilshere.

And just so you know, we are better than you.

Good post mate. I won't pretend I'm glad we got knocked out, particularly losing to Chelsea. But I do see those positives. Yesterday highlighted a couple of problems, and it was worth getting knocked out of the least important competition if we learn from them. We do kind of need to win something this year - Prem may be a step too far given our squad is not as broad as City's or Chelsea's, but we can give it a good go. I am quite confident we will be in the top 3 anyway. CL is also very difficult of course. I am keeping quietly hopeful about the FA cup, as I reckon our first team can beat anyone on our day.

The leadership issue is interesting. I think Vermaelan has a strong character, Mertesacker is a good organiser and Arteta has elements of both mixed with experience. Flamini also makes a difference to the team, organises well and kicks people into shape. We do have strong leadership within the squad but not the 'one leader above all' that we always used to. Hard to tell if that is a major issue or not?

The next few games will certainly be a test, and I can't wait to play Liverpool on Saturday. It will be an interesting game because if either side wins then it shows that they are serious contenders, not just riding early-season luck. If Arteta and the back 4 put in a battling performance, I think we could well take the win. This will also be a big factor against Dortmund and United. Even with injuries our attack is very strong - it will take good defensive resolve to show that we're a real force.

30 Oct 2013 15:55:46
Initially your always going to be p*ssed off, A) because I don't like my team losing and, B) because we lost to chelsea. However the reason I'm more p*ssed off then usual is because it was a reminder of the main reason we won't win anything this year. Our squad isn't big enough.
Before the whirlwind of signing �zil we were talking about needing to sign 4-5 players all of quality. We made two, 1 world class player and one that is doing a world class job. They've done really well for us up to now, but we are still short it certain positions. I sent a post stating we were seriously missing POWER. What I would give for an Adams or a Viera. I'd be quite prepared to degrade myself for a Keown and a Gilberto. That's not even mentioning a top class Striker, Winger, and a R.B.
Lastly I'm really starting to worry about us mentally when it comes to the really big games. Chelsea always do us these days, and with Liverpools game the weekend it's so important we don't lose. We are getting there, but we need to push with some more quality signings. If we were to lose that game then the �zil high will soon turn in to as it was before. I'd snap your hand off for third.
I'll tell you how bad I felt last night, and a large number of gooners will relise how bad this is. I thought to myself, "I'd even have Gervinio on the pitch." That was dark. Gnabry looks promising but has played one game too many which is precisely one and picked up a knock. Marvellous!
I'm stopping there, my black dog's wagging his tale. Nothing a win on Saturday won't cure.

Flybo

Not happy but at the same time it takes some fixtures off our hands. i'd rather get knocked out now if we wasnt going to win it rather than getting to the final for example and losing there.

Flamini has been a great leader for us so far this season.
As I've said before, for me, the league cup is about finding out if players can make it or not. Been out of the league cup means, we are not going to get a big pile up of fixtures come January/February time. So yes I'm happy to be out of it.

We are better than you though look at the league and what european cup we are in, just kidding mate. I couldn't care less about the league cup but it would've been nice to beat chelsea

30 Oct 2013 18:21:49
OK,

Not a good result, but come on. C 1 Cup, FA Cup, CL or Prem L.

If we really wanted to win it we would play a first rate team. At the end of the day we were buying a raffle ticket and it didn't happen.

Down sides from last night were that we need some width and then someone who can whip in a cross or two. We kept knocking balls in to make nice little triangles, but no one wanted to have a shot or it ended up going further back than when we started.

We were weak on the right side and up front, but to say we were outplayed. Bllks. Unfortunately when we lost the ball it was too easy for them to counter. One bad mistake gave them the platform and just when we were turning the screw a little a great goal knocked the stuffing out of us.

At the end of the day we will not win everything so let's win the games that matter?

Estepona gooner

Good post Dave and fair question to pose.
For me its where we finish it and the league that matters most, I'd rather be top two and no league or fa cup than 4th with both.

I want to be in the running come may for the tittle even if we don't win it, because from that we can build greatness again.
CL I think will Be a good distraction from the league so the further we go the better.

Just myveiw

30 Oct 2013 21:26:18
Oh will the doom and gloom crowd just cop the **** on, we put out a mixture of youth and players coming back from injury who also never play together, your like pechulant little children who throw there toys out of the pram after a loss, yes I had a moan after the dortmund game but all I said is we need a rb.

Last night showed me that our first team has the skill to beat chelsea, there first choice team is not much better than the one last night and ours is 10 times better, calm down and have a breather we will do the buisness on Saturday evening just you wait.

Not too bothered about carling cup to be honest. Chelsea and Man City are still in it and they have a much bigger squad than us. Also, Spurs and Manchester United still there so I don't think we would have won it.
We all know we don't have the strongest squad and I think the extra games would have stretched us too much. Also, knowing our luck we would have probably picked up a few extra injuries along the way. Concentrate on champs league and the prem. That said, yes of course, would have loved to have won it but don't think we would have.
As for a leader on the pitch? Well, we don't have a 'roll up ya sleeves Tony Adams' type of captain but Flamini and Mertesacker could do the job.

30 Oct 2013 12:24:11
hi boys and girls I think what some of you are forgetting is we are top of the league and where getting points off teams we would normally come away with nothing, yes its disapointing to go out of the cup and some players had bad games BUT, the future is bright the worst thing we can do is start slagging the players off. the fringe players never took their chance and now let's but it behind us and get behind the boys for saturday against pool
coyg

30 Oct 2013 11:28:18
Wow, amazing how much footballing ignorance can be shown after one loss!

Of course it was a disappointing, gutless performance and absolutely HATE losing to Chel$ea, but a lot of silly things being said. This is not grounds for doomsday prophecy and, as with the Dortmund loss, shows real issues but can be a learning experience early in the season.

We lost on three counts, which all have some crossover with each other: attacking conviction, defensive organisation and squad depth. Chelsea won because they were energetic and pressed throughout the pitch. This is how they forced the mistake for the first goal and were very effective in stopping us penetrating. They had two defensive-minded midfielders in Mikel and Essien who stopped us creating dangerous chances and won back the ball consistently.

Compare that to us, who were slacker with our marking and less combative in midfield due to no registered DM. Jenks had a poor game but was very exposed by these issues. We also lacked ideas going forward, largely because Cazorla still looks a bit off-form, Bendnter didn't get into dangerous positions, and Ramsey and Wilsh looked a bit groggy. I though Ryo was alright but had little to work with.

To some degree this does certainly come down to squad depth - our better players need to be rotated to keep sharpness and the stand-ins need to be fit and/or of good quality. If Poldi, Walcott, Ox and Arteta were available this would have been a different game. And certainly if we had managed to shift Bendtner and bring in a quality replacement. Given Wenger's attempts on the last day, I think he will be going in for a striker in January. We can only wait until then and see if he makes the right decision.

Otherwise, people making extensive lists of players we should but or claiming 'the bubble has burst' don't really know what they're talking about. We have a squad depth issue, but meaninglessly buying players may not remedy the footballing issue. Look at City on Sunday - they had a lot of issues with a team full of overpriced players. I've seen people lauding Willian below - he had a good game but has also had some shockers for Chelsea and was not worth his pricetag. The only thing we desperately need is another top striker to rotate with Giroud and perhaps another DM or CB (in which case Vermaelen could cover DM). Certainly fitness needs to be looked at, but you can only tell over the course of a season and we are better equipped in attacking positions this season.

In terms of the 'bubble bursting' - this is not the case. We have a few tests now and may have setbacks, but are still in better shape than we have been for years. Already we have Arteta back which will make an instant difference in terms of defensive organisation (remember we had a better defensive record with him last season than with Flamini this season!). Every team has slip-ups early in the year, it's a matter of whether you can learn from them. Let's be realistic about what we can learn from these games, not start whinging for a complete overhaul like City or Chelsea fans.

30 Oct 2013 13:00:46
What a wonderfully refreshing post amidst all the somewhat embarrassing piffle. Full of great points and some genuine
honesty. Thanks Oleg.

Top top post Oleg

30 Oct 2013 09:43:31
If we got behind the team a little bit, made some noise for once and stopped criticising wenger who has no where near as much as chelsea over the last 10 years and provided us with a great stadium for us to be noisy in, we do that and maybe players might want to put the effort in for us. Bendtner for example, has never had any support from us as fans so what has he got to play for? Money, and he gets that if he's good or bad. Get behind our squad and make them want to play for us

I think players have to play regardless, the noise situation is bad for all clubs in the EPL, Manchester United have sanctioned a singing section.

for those who really want to see atmosphere you only have to look at the next two away games we play in the champions league.

a loss is a loss. time to move on.

30 Oct 2013 07:44:30
So we are not going to be this seasons Swansea and earn a place in next years uafa cup, shame.

A bit of negativity creeping in already, get a grip please.

This is going to be our best season for years WE ARE ON THE WAY BACK!
Try and enjoy the wonderful highs and accept the unavoidable lows, we are not ready to challenge for 4 trophies by a country mile, judge us by Saturday not a league cup game
Get behind the team when all doesn't go our way and you may find the good times taste even nicer.

Good post g62 well said.

Thought Monreal looked the best I've seen him yet, Cazorla is just about up to top game fitness now and Ramsey is as good or better than any midfielder in the country.

Well said G62. We showed more than enough to have any team in the league worried about our first choice squad and reserves. Too narrow? We have theo and ox to come back, and Poldi who links well with Gibbs.

30 Oct 2013 02:03:23
has everyone forgotton jenkinsons form when he had a solid run in the first team? no he not a star yet but he's young and determined, imho fab was as much to blame as jenks. he could of attacked the ball earlier knowing jenks was heading.

LAY OFF JENKINSON

thought we played well. for a reserve squad, after brinking on ozil and giroud we looked much better.
put it this way, bring on chelsea in the league with us at full strength.

imho chelsea's cup team is almost if not as good as their starting league xi, and out cup team is no where near as good as our starting xi.

I also think Jenks will become a good player - the goal is just one of those things, he's maybe a little 'ring-rusty' .
HOWEVER!!

When he gets to the other end he is, at present, very poor, Last night he got some fantastic opportunities to deliver in with time to look up and, from memory, I don't think he got one into the danger area (mostly they went nearer to the far corner post). Please coaches- sort it out!