Arsenal Banter Archive May 26 2018

26 May 2018 22:48:06
I imagine Madrid would have won anyway, but it looked an awful lot like Ramos deliberately tried to injure Salah. Somewhat assault-like, no? Ugly.

27 May 2018 00:07:31
looked like ha ha.

27 May 2018 00:54:44
Ramos would never do a thing like that 😂😂.

27 May 2018 02:37:30
We need a bit of Ramos.

27 May 2018 10:29:38
I should add a bit of fight and nastiness something we’ve lacked for years.

27 May 2018 11:30:33
Was it just me that read that as Banbury stating he personally would add the fight and nastiness we have needed? Get your boots down to Colney young man 😂COUG.

27 May 2018 12:55:23
Think about this for just a second. It takes a vast amount of skill to dislocate someone's shoulder on purpose. To do it on purpose, make it LOOK like an accident, all while playing a rather fast paced game of footie is a tall ask.

27 May 2018 14:23:04
it does take a lot of skill and that's why its hard to know for sure, but aslo because of the fast pace it makes it very hard for a ref to spot it as malicious or just two people taking a tumble. VAR is needed for things like that, it looked very suspicious. the way he kept hold of salahs arm and then rolled back over him pulling his arm with him was very unnatural, it was the wrong way to roll and against resistance. still one silver lining for liverpool is i doubt salah would fancy madrid after that!

27 May 2018 16:18:28
Strange because the arm under Ramos' pit isn't the arm that's injured.

{Ed001's Note - what difference does that make? It is not the pull that does the damage, it is the weight of Ramos, as he twists to ensure he lands on top of him, that does it. It is the fact he held on to force Salah into a vulnerable position so he can twist over. Not a difficult thing to do, which is why it is a common move in almost every martial art. It is very simple to just pull on someone's arm as they are moving in the direction already and use their momentum to throw them. Especially if you have a hip in there to roll them over it and take any facet of control away from them.}

27 May 2018 16:48:25
Exactly my point. You think he pulled a martial arts move, on a football pitch, at that pace, with intent, all this while making it look accidental? Obviously we're all entitled to an opinion and that is definitely not an opinion I share mate.

{Ed001's Note - no you wouldn't. I did not say he pulled a 'martial arts move', I said it is a move common to most martial arts. There is a reason it is common to almost all of them, because it is simple and easy to use. The only thing it requires is a grasp on the arm of a person who is moving alongside you or towards you. I don't know why you are going on about it being made to look accidental, he never did anything of the sort, which is why so many people have seen it for what it is. By the way, it is the pace which makes it possible, which is bloody obvious and basic physics, so I don't know why you keep bringing that into it when it is of no value to your argument.}

27 May 2018 17:01:40
Haven’t been called young for years

Cheers Sussex.

27 May 2018 17:09:23
I might be wrong but to me he was almost pile driving the opposite shoulder into the ground which I think I’m right in saying was the one that’s injured.

Looked so obvious what he was trying to do and got an end result. Not a way to win but that kind of stuff sadly happens.

Up until then Liverpool genuinely looked the better side and probably should have been in front. As a neutral it leaves a sour taste to be honest.

27 May 2018 17:23:36
wow seriously? You don't know why I'm going on about these things or you just don't care because it doesn't align with your interpretation. Basic physics would dictate that the arm caught would be the arm injured, not the opposite arm. Anyway, not really important to me; I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

{Ed001's Note - basic physics would dictate that the arm that was thrown out to protect from the landing would be the arm injured. It is not difficult to understand. That is why it was the one injured, obviously you are still going on about it being the pull doing the damage, despite it being explained to you it is the landing that does the damage. The pull is just to lead into a fall. No idea what conspiracy theories have to do with anything.}

27 May 2018 19:34:25
Haha Banbury but if you're not young do you still have the fight and nastiness? COYG.

27 May 2018 22:04:50
I thought Salah wrapped his arm around Ramos?

27 May 2018 23:32:12
He absolutely did Crybaby, like he wanted to take him to the prom. But we're to believe that Ramos is some kind of football ninja.

26 May 2018 22:11:18
Coming to all good supermarkets soon

I can't believe it's not Karius.

26 May 2018 22:41:31
It was one of those games where you would be as well putting a bin in goal.

26 May 2018 17:39:23
So if Emery favours a 4 1 4 1 set up, what does that mean for Myhitaryan, Lacca, PEA, Ozil and Rambo?

A N'Zonzi type player in front of the back 4 to play the invisible wall role?

Need two proper wingers - Dembele and Myhitaryan fit the bill

PEA up front

So that leaves two CM roles - Granit and Rambo / Granit and Ozil / Granit and Jack.

Or do we sell Granit and hope we have the budget to replace him with a bit of class in the middle. Someone who has energy, put a foot in but can also pass. Could we get Seri in the middle

That would mean CDM, CM, RB, CD x 2, GK and a winger for a small budget

Would love Verratti but that won't happen.

26 May 2018 18:02:24
When you offer our current 2 man combination options for cmf, I start thinking about Burnley as our main competition for next season again SY.
The Jack/ Xhaka option almost sent my optimism levels back to their lowest point :-)
I can't think of anything less exciting than a Jack/ Xhaka combination, it's enough to make Raver head for stringfellows.

26 May 2018 18:42:46
It’s a juggling and priority act - what would you do?

26 May 2018 20:00:46
I'd know how much I had to spend from the board ( 100 to 200 million)
I know how I wanted to play and decide who we currently had on our books that fitted into my plans, who was capable willing and able to to achieve what I wanted to achieve and how I wanted to achieve it.
I'd then look at who was surplus to what I wanted and needed.
Do I want and need both Aaron and Mesut? Who of the two do I think is best at what I want from them, which of the two would hurt me lest to let go of and which would boost my spending power most.
I'd then look at what type of players I needed and how many I needed and divide the amount of money by the the amount of players I needed.
So for argument sake
I have 9 players I'm happy to have in my match day 18 so I need another 9 players to make my match day 18.
I have 100 million from the club plus another 80 millions from sales so I have 20 million per player to get my match day up to 18.
Every player I get for 10 millions or under gives me 30 + for another.
Kante cost Leicester 5 million so would make 35 million available for the next player, Johnny Evans is available for 3 million so all of a sudden I could go to 52 million for a player should I want or need to!
It's no where near as impossible as you make it sound mate, honest evaluation of the current players plus smart shopping and all of a sudden the world's a very different place for the Arsenal.

26 May 2018 08:27:41
I would expect deals starting to be done fairly soon, with an early closure of the transfer window in the PL of 9th August.
I believe the PL window is already open, but most of the other European Leagues open on June 1st. With players going away for World Cup duty, I am sure negotiations are taking place, although deals with European Leagues possibly won't be announced until 1st June.
It will be interesting to see what we do with Ramsey, Welbeck and Wislhere.

26 May 2018 09:47:48
Can Mesut and Aaron both play at their best in the same team?
Aaron doesn't enjoy the defensive side of the game and wants to be the star of the show not part of the supporting cast so in my opinion this makes him to risky to play in cmf where even the attacking players are expected to help win back the ball.
I think both Ramsey and Ozil are best suited to the same roll.
Mesut has no resale value simply because no one would pay his wages plus a decent fee while Ramsey would probably fetch 50 million that we could reinvest elsewhere in the team.
We desperately need an attacking minded central midfielder as well as a DM but even the attacking player needs to be prepared to put in a shift as and when necessary.
Dare I say an Ox type central midfield player would be ideal.

26 May 2018 10:29:41
Personally I feel our best midfield 3 would include Ramsey and not ozil. I'd say a true dm with a box to box (Wilshere or xhaka could possibly fill this role) and then arron infront of them as an am. if ozil plays I say it has to web on the wing in games that we are looking to control.

26 May 2018 10:48:54
But are we really going to pay Mesut 12 million plus not to play?
When Aaron came back into the team last season after injury it coincided with Mesuts form dropping like a stone.
I know Aaron was one of our least worst players last season ( apart from PEA and Monreal they were all pretty poor) but we have to be realistic about what works and what doesn't rather than pick on populatiy.
Under Emery maybe Jack and Xhaka plus others will shine and be the players we all hoped they would be but for me the only way to play Aaron and Mesut together is one either side behind Pea in an attacking 3 but that leaves no room for Lacasette and Miki and I'm not sure anyone wants either of those two sold, so for me Aaron is the obvious choice to let go of simply because he brings in the most money plus it unbalances the side so much trying to accommodate him and Mesut at the same time.

26 May 2018 10:54:47
At home the 3 attacking midfield roles could be: Ozil, Wilshere and Aubameyang, if backed up by 2 DM's, say Nzonzi and Maitland-Niles.
Away, we could play Mkhitaryan, Ramsey and Xhaka in these roles, providing more cover defensively when needed, but still providing offensive options.
In both cases we need the defence to be well marshalled an set out correctly and we need a pair of proper DM's.
The squad desperately needs balancing, as Wenger seemed to like playing more offensive midfield players in all the midfield positions. We lacked DM's and true wide players.

26 May 2018 11:41:37
Midfield is the toughest place to play simply because you need to be both a defensive and attacking minded DM apart that is.
If you playing 4 3 3 then two of the 3 midfield players need to be committed to both providing and preventing goals in equal measure and none of our current midfield fit that job description right now.
Elneny will do anything that's asked of him but sadly isn't a top quality player
Jack is Jack one week brilliant the next 9 poor to average
Xhaka isn't up to premier league football
Aaron should wear a Cape when he plays because he likes to be noticed for the spectacular rather than the mundane essentials.
That's an awful lot for Emery to put right and it will take time to change the players we have or to even find out if they are capable of changing
The alternative is to cash in on some of what we have and bring in ready made midfield players who already know how to attack and defend equally.

26 May 2018 13:22:16
Aaron Ramsey is our player of the season and Mesut Özil was in third so surely we need to keep both of them in order to progress. Out of the midfield three for me it's Xhaka who needs to be replaced.

If you ask me Ramsey actually does quite a bit of defensive work, he just doesn't sit deep. Running is his strength and in my opinion he needs to be allowed to roam free. I see him as a complimentary player to a Xabi Alonso type defensive midfielder. The problem is we haven't been able to find that partner for him. Xhaka can't tackle or track the runs of opponent attackers and that's what is hurting us the most defensively. Coquelin was solid but he couldn't do the playmaking. Find a midfielder who can do both the playmaking and the defending and we will see the best of both Ramsey and Özil. Easier said than done of course.

I would go as far as to say Ramsey should be made the captain. He works hard and has a lot of experience on top of being one of our best players so for me it's a no brainer. I get the feeling he would in fact embrace the captaincy and grow into a more prominent leader if given the armband. that's how i feel anyway. Honestly i don't see any other options for captaincy. He needs to sign the contract first though.

26 May 2018 14:11:48
I just don't see Aaron's consistency in his defensive duty when playomg cmf Iceman mate, to me he isn't up for it week in week out but prefers to be doing his flashy flicks in and around the box.
The only way to get the best out of him and Ozil at the same time as as a supporting pair behind Pea in my opinion but that leaves out Miki and Lacasette.
As for player of the season last season for us :-) surely PEA was the only player who had any credibility and the nerve to accept it.