Arsenal Banter Archive August 03 2017

03 Aug 2017 21:25:16
Can we expect Barcelona to come in for bellerin? Just recieved 200m and i know we say he isn't for sale but if they chuck say £60m at us can we really refuse that when we have ox who can play there.

03 Aug 2017 21:49:21
They've already signed a RB. I'd expect that money to go on Verratti/ Coutinho and Dybala/ Dembele.

03 Aug 2017 21:52:33
They'd be trouble at tut mill if we sold this close to the season stating which I'm sure we wouldn't.

03 Aug 2017 22:05:39
I'd flog him.

kinky

03 Aug 2017 23:48:38
But not before gagging and breaking him in🤘🏻.

03 Aug 2017 15:13:27
Hi Eds
Many thanks for your input over the last few weeks.
It would seem that we are having difficulty offloading our fringe players, mainly due to their wage demands.
I remember reading a while back that we seem to over pay our ''average'' players whilst not being prepared to pay our best players the top wages they seem to expect these days.
It seems that our poorly constructed wage system has come back to haunt us!
Goonerbm.

03 Aug 2017 18:14:23
We tried to tie young prospects down by giving them super wages for non first team football in the hope they would automatically fill the viod of players who left meaning we had ready made replacements on tap with no transfer fees to payout and could simply bank the money from sales of players who decided to leave.
In principle it was a brilliant plan and it would have worked to " if it wasn't for those pesky kids not making the grade " :-)

03 Aug 2017 13:26:24
I have a small question I'd like to ask ed002. Not arsenal related as such but still interested me. We was talking at work and someone said PSG will make their money back through sponsors and shirt sales easily with neymar then went on to say united made most of pogbas fee back through shirt sales. Which made me wonder and I apologise if this is a simple Manner but do clubs make much money through shirt sales. Or is it the maker of the kit (puma, Nike) that are making all the money on that.

Thanks for your time.

{Ed002's Note - He is wrong. The money from shirt sales goes to the manufacturer, the distributor and the retailer, who can make extra adding numbers and names to the shirts. If the club are the retailer (club shop, club website etc.) then they get the retailers cut. The manufacturer (Adidas, Umbro, Nike etc.) pay the club an amount each year which allows them to manufacture and sell the shirts using the correct logos etc.. That is how they justify the money given to the club. So if you walk in to a high street store and buy a Liverpool or Arsenal shirt - nothing goes to the club. There are a few clubs that have negotiated different deals with manufacturers (Real Madrid with Adidas and Barcelona with Nike are the two obvious examples) based upon joint reselling ventures. So the income from shirts is fixed to the £xM or whatever Adidas, Nike etc. pay the club plus a small amount for reselling through the club retail outlets (shop, web).

PSG may well get a better deal from their shirt manufacturer but neither MU nor PSG make money back from shirt sales for players they buy. Right now Arsenal get about £30M a year from Puma regardless of the number of shirts they sell - when they move to Adidas next year it will go up - but again regardless of the numbers of shirts sold.}

03 Aug 2017 13:50:11
I'm sorry ed. arsenal moving to adidas?

{Ed002's Note - No, it was an example - right now the Arsenal kit deal is low (around half of that of Chelsea), when they get a new one (with Puma, Adidas or whoever) it will leap up - the same is true with PSG and with Neymar it will leap up a lot. But you get the picture.}

03 Aug 2017 14:20:19
Ah I See, sorry. I remember when arsenal arranged the deal with puma. Only a year or two ago and at the time it was the second highest in England. Goes to show the, possibly unsustainable, rate of inflation in football.

03 Aug 2017 15:16:45
Thank you ed I'm glad you've cleared that up as I hear that said by many people when new players are signed and it never made sense to me

Thanks again for the indepth answer.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

03 Aug 2017 16:56:07
psg will not worry too much regarding making the money back. but news and the following of neymar is great for qatar and psg. its a big boys play ground now.

{Ed002's Note - THey need to be compliant with FFP.}

03 Aug 2017 10:44:28
For all we might not be capable of in the league this season we do for the first time in s a lot of seasons have a real chance of European success.
Instead of being champions league make weights we suddenly find ourselves as Europa league big boys and I think it would be really positive for the club to go all out to win.
It's not been beneath Chelsea and Utd to go for it and the Europa league has a much bigger appeal across Europe than it does in this country so if we were to win this trophy our standing in world football.
Being in this competition certainly didn't put out 2 new boys off joining us so maybe we should be more open to respecting the Europa league and what it can do for us as a club long term.

03 Aug 2017 11:43:09
If we keep a lot of players then we will certainly have the squad depth to field a strong side in Europa League games and it wouldn't affect our side too much for domestic games either side of the fixture.

Ospina, Gabriel, Mertesacker, Holding, Gibbs, Elneney, Coquelain, Iwobi, Walcott, Welbeck, Giroud all players that will not be in starting XI that could play in europe.

03 Aug 2017 12:16:21
It took utd and Chelsea to play their best players to win the europa league Detriot mate and we shouldn't under estimate the other teams within it and we certainly shouldn't continue to live off our past reputation and hope that will be good enough to deliver in the present.
Realistically the Europa is our best chance of winning a top prize this season and doing that won't be easy.
The premier league and champions league are the top 2 prizes available and the europa league is number 3 because it offers not only champions league football but also a real trophy unlike the 4th place trophy that only we can see :-)

03 Aug 2017 07:04:02
To the question of where we predict we will end up next season.
Well I predicted a squad with names we never really heard of before for next season and mid table I'm afraid.
So far we have Kolasinac on a free that I never heard of. Lacazette I heard of but really just through the rumours that built up since the end of last season. that's as far as we have got up till now.
Mid table! Yeah why not forget Sanchez he can't work miracles on his own all the time. I just don't get Ozil I'm missing something with the hype that surrounds him. So far and let's be fair what we've seen if Lacazette in the friendlies isn't impressive and how long is he going to take to settle
in? . So I'm preparing myself for a rocky ride next season with plenty of moans and groans and Wenger Outs again! .
Horrible thoughts I know.
Best player I've seen so far is Reiss Nelson can we keep hold of him? I wouldn't even put him out on loan I would play him let him develop with us. I hope Wenger plays him on Saturday and our opener against Leicester.

03 Aug 2017 07:46:14
Shocking and we play Friday not sat.

03 Aug 2017 08:25:46
Can't know much or watch much football if you don't know the players we brought in neither were unknowns.

03 Aug 2017 08:28:45
5th again maybe 4th unless we buy more players we ain't got a good enough squad for the bpl title.

03 Aug 2017 09:01:42
Jelfy we play Saturday in the Charity Shield, aside from that Lansera I don't agree with you.

My post was in jest the other day about Lacazette, anyone who puts weight to an argument after pre season friendlies is a bit daft otherwise Bayern Munich will not be winning the Bundesliga and getting knocked out in the group stages.

Lacazette hasn't been here 5 minutes and Kosalinac looks a great addition in an area we needed to strengthen.

Whilst I believe Sanchez will go I'm not losing my head over it.

There is still over a month left in the window to move players on and bring others in. Everyone bar Sanchez has a bad season and that includes Ozil but he is class.

We will not be struggling to make 6th, we are not mid table or even close.

There is so much negativity around here it has even spread to ed025 but we really are not the utter rubbish a lot have convinced themselveslves and others that we are.

{Ed025's Note - my view is not negative stoner more realistic, city, utd and chelsea have stronger squads and liverpool spurs and possibly everton will be battling arsenal for that 4th spot, liverpool look good to me and would probably be favourites for 4th and that leaves you and us for 5th berth...dont ask me to choose mate.. :)

03 Aug 2017 09:23:00
Ahh I'd never ask you to chose ed but personally I'm certain we'll be in the top four and that's being realistic, strengthening on paper doesn't always translate to the pitch especially when you are buying many.

Liverpool still look good going forward but not so good at the back. Spurs are standing still. None of United's signings have filled me with dread.

Chelsea need more depth but City will for me be the team to beat. It will be interesting to see how the Toffees do ed with money to spend.

{Ed025's Note - making lots of signings will not automatically make a team sronger in the short term stoner i agree, i guess im just being a bit pessimistic where arsenal are concerned as i dont wast to build up any false hope mate..

03 Aug 2017 09:29:36
im with eds as it stands battle for 4th. if i'm the board i'm getting two players in min possible three to give us the best chance.

im happy with the two signings but need more.

{Ed025's Note - there is still time derby i suppose but im with you on the need to add more mate, last year was seen as a blip but if it happens again then its a crisis and the top players will want out...and thats a very slippery slope..

03 Aug 2017 09:31:47
We won't finish lower than 7th or higher than 4th in my opinion
As much as all our problems of the past decade won't suddenly disappear and players who have never been consistently good enough suddenly become capable of challenging Niether will we suddenly become Stoke West Bromwich albino or West ham level.
The big boys have improved and have managers with recent proven track records of success and Spurs were way to strong for us last season and will continue to improve under Poch.
Nothing has dramatically changed at Arsenal on or off the pitch so why will our end result be different?

{Ed025's Note - fair point mate..

03 Aug 2017 09:35:55
It's not just the teams on paper that have changed Stoner other clubs have managers who demand success and a board and fans that expect them to build a team capable of being competitive.
Everything is different at Arsenal compared to other big clubs.

03 Aug 2017 11:17:49
gunner I really don't blind myself to our short comings, we are perpetual under achievers for various reasons, I just, after one season outside the top four, don't believe that will now be our lot.

We are much better than that, if we repeat it again this season then I may jump on board the we are pants band wagon but I'm not having that now. We have signed two very good players in positions of weakness with I'm certain more to come.

I'm liking the 3 at the back and Koscielny, Mustafi and Holding will be great back there.

I believe we'll be a minimum of top 3 mate and I'll think we'll have a bloody got go at the Europa too. 😁.

03 Aug 2017 11:42:38
Law of attraction please try and stay positive guys.

03 Aug 2017 13:06:21
Fair play to you Stoner I hope your right and I'm wrong mate, but I can't see how anything at Arsenal has changed too much other than we have 2 good editions and are going to lose our biggest asset in the next few weeks.
I just think other clubs have more ambitious steaks running through them and managers who simply have very high expectations of the players and the people who employ them.
At Arsenal it's all become a bit too relaxed and a title bid would be nice but it really isn't essential for us to all carry on as per usual.

03 Aug 2017 12:34:04
Much respect ed 25, always appreciate your contribution but I think you are too negative on us at the moment. First, if we can just have a normal number of injuries instead of the absurd level of last year, then our depth will match the top 3, for rotations etc and surpass Everton and Spurs. Second we have added some key pieces to help fortify the new formation. And third we were already looking much improved the last half dozen games last year. Count me in on this year ;-)

Prediction, win the Shield, deep runs in Europe and FA cup. And in the mix of a tightly grouped top 3 in the league, with one of the favorites dropping off BC of chemistry or injuries, guessing Chelsea, a battle between Blues and Spurs for 4th would suit me fine and if Everton pips the man both, all the better!

{Ed025's Note - you paint a very rosy picture rooster and i have to say no one would be happier than me mate if that came to pass..

03 Aug 2017 01:31:29
Hi people roughly how many players do you see coming in i'd like at least 3 more lw cdm cb but i think 1 2 at a push and how many do you see leaving thanks.

03 Aug 2017 06:52:27
I can only see a replacment for Sanchez, if as expected he departs and possibly a replacement for Ox if leaves, as we will need cover at RWB.
I don't see a CB, as we have Kos, Merte, Gabriel, Mustafi, Holding and Chambers. Even if Chambers departs, we have Monreal and Kolasinac who can both fill in. The same goes for a CDM player, as we have Xhaka, Coquelin and Elneny, as well as Ramsey, Ox and Wilshere who can play there.
Wenger has stated that we have a very full squad and that he wanted to sign 2 or 3 players. We have signed 2 to date, hence my comments above.

03 Aug 2017 08:30:23
Ok thanks for the reply just don't think we have a General in the midfield my self.

03 Aug 2017 08:39:39
not had a midfield general for 10 years and AW won't sign one this season either.

03 Aug 2017 09:49:23
Wenger hasn't encouraged strong personalities at the club for many years. I can't see us buying a midfield general, but Xhaka has it in him, if he is allowed to flourish. Unfortunately these days Wenger stamps out any signs of such players. Don't forget Vieira used to put his foot in and get sent off fairly regularly. However, as soon as Xhaka started putting it about, Wenger clearly stopped him.