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21 Aug 2016 21:00:23
Does anyone recall that the banks insisted that Wenger stays in order to sanction the stadium loan? If true, this probably included a post-construction tie in.
If he leaves, perhaps the banks still have the right to call in the loans or change the terms/ rate.
Maybe he wants to leave but can't.
Maybe he and us really are trapped.
I would have thought any such deal would have expired by now but it makes me wonder.
1.) 21 Aug 2016 22:21:22
Barn, I've never in my life ever heard of a human being being used as a guarantee for a loan. If wenger died, got ill and retired, left through personal reasons, got the sack because we got relegated or any unforseen circumstance we would have the loan pulled out from under us because he didn't meet the condition, is rediculous. I may be wrong but I thought the Emirates took on most of the stadium payments to get the naming rights anyway. Personally I don't believe it, it doesn't sound a very good business agreement to me.
2.) 21 Aug 2016 22:28:37
I would be shocked if that's true, I very much doubt the Banks would have any say in who the manager is or his contract. That might be in the Arsenal buisness plan presented to the banks but the bank wouldn't care as long as we are paying the bill on time.
3.) 21 Aug 2016 23:43:26
From the Telegraph
Ahead of an unprecedented fan protest on Saturday, Arsène Wenger has revealed for the first time that Arsenal were only lent the majority of their £390 million construction costs for the Emirates after he personally pledged to remain manager for at least five years.
4.) 22 Aug 2016 08:55:42
You do get some corporate loans contingent on certain personnel staying. A bank may advance a loan for the specific purpose of expansion only if a key member of staff stays because they have the experience to make it succeed. Same way you can purchase keyman insurance if a member of staff is crucial to your operations.
Not sure if that was true of Arsenal's loan though.
5.) 22 Aug 2016 09:46:13
Not sure why you have so many disagrees SY4 when it only takes a quick Google to clarify that the Torygraph did indeed write that paragraph, that's a fact - whether the statement is true is another thing but I'd be a bit ticked off if so because it means Wenger is inclined to never change in that respect unless he wants to pee off the loaners.
6.) 22 Aug 2016 10:31:01
Wenger steered us through a very difficult period, during the financing and building of the new stadium. The debt is virtually paid off and we have in excess of £200m in cash reserves at the bank. The club is run superbly and although us fans always thing we can spend, spend, spend, the funds are not bottomless, unlike other clubs. We could however, easily buy a couple more quality players, but I understand Wenger's hesitancy to pay excessive prices for players; is Mustafi worth £50m?
7.) 22 Aug 2016 12:17:45
RG, if you think the club is being run superbly, you're going to wet your pants when it actually is.
The current set up is great for Kroenke but he's holding a deteriorating asset in my view. Like a landlord who doesn't repair leaky guttering or drains, eventually the building will need major works.
And there's a stench of rot at Arsenal.
8.) 22 Aug 2016 12:56:49
Great point barn, couldn't agree more.
31 Aug 2014 18:21:09
I can only assume that Say-no-goal was being put in the shop window and will now go out on loan or be put down. Campbell must have been told this otherwise he'll be thinking WTF?
Watch how Liverpool ping the ball around in the final third whereas our approach play is slow, one dimensional and predictable.
I really hope we sign two first teamers tomorrow. We have work to do.
AND STOP PLAYING OZIL ON THE WING!
1.) Have to agree with the last bit. Why are we playing 4-1-4-1? Ozil and Sanchez are £80m worth of talent stuck out wide in a flat 4. Surely Ozil playing off Sanchez has to be the way to go. If this system is being used to make us better defensively, it's not working. We are all over the place at the back.
2.) 31 Aug 2014 19:51:48
Arsenal will not be buying anyone else in this transfer window. All the business was done right after the world cup. They will be the smallest team in this years Champions League with only 13 real first team players. Arsene Wenger doesn't want more than that. He feels the team won't gel with more players.
3.) I don't think it is a 4141. That's what they show on ssn but we are really playing with a striker and an advanced mf behind him, cazorla, lw ozil and rw Sanchez. Two deeper mf, one of which is more defensive. But still, I agree, ozil should never be on the wing.
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29 Aug 2017 10:15:42
Most people by now clearly appreciate that change is needed and I personally support boycotting a game to get our point across. But if the draw of watching Arsenal splutter to a top 8 finish (currently looking doubtful) remains attractive, the alternative is a protest inside the stadium. Does anybody know a scarf manufacturer? 30,000 people holding up 'Apathy FC' might move things along.
1.) 29 Aug 2017 10:27:53
I save my protests for sites such as this. I would never boycott a match nor protest against Wenger or any member of the team at the stadium, I am an Arsenal fan through thick and thin, and will give my unconditional support at the stadium. I just hope that Wenger sees the errors of his ways and does the decent thing and resigns. The fans would appreciate this and it will leave his legacy intact. We then need to make a clever appointment, perhaps the duo of Henry and Viieira or Marco Silva would be my choices.
2.) 29 Aug 2017 10:35:40
Action needed. Your great club i think is on the cusp of becoming nothing.
Sterling and draxler are so far from what you need.
3.) 29 Aug 2017 10:37:38
I think if people are serious then no planes no banners no demonstrations just simply stay away from the Bournemouth game full stop.
Don't attend the game keep don't watch the game live in order to keep the viewing figures low.
Sometimes doing absolutely nothing says more and it's a lot more dignified too.
I'm sure the manager players board will all notice more if an all time low attendance is at the Emirates for the game than any plane or banner they probably wouldn't even see.
4.) 29 Aug 2017 10:43:06
Absolutely g62. All we can do is not go. Anything else is going to have too much of a detrimental effect on the team rather than the board.
5.) 29 Aug 2017 10:49:59
Sterling and draxler are a million miles from a fix. What are some people smoking.
6.) 29 Aug 2017 10:50:55
Where is moe when you need him.
7.) 29 Aug 2017 13:15:40
Hahaha derby, I think I was hit with reality at the weekend. And by the way I never said I'm happy with wenger all I said the damage been done already by him signing 2 more years but I wasn't expecting it to be this bad before the Liverpool game, I seriously thought that he might see where he got it wrong against Stoke but obviously he didn't. So mate, I'm so hurt from the performance we had as I was expecting a lot more. But hey ho faith and optimism doesn't always pay off, so all I can do is that it on the chin like a man.
8.) 29 Aug 2017 13:58:20
RG, I don't see the point of reserving protests for sites such as this. Do you think Stan uses this site as a business tool?
Keyboard warriors, other than Anonymous, don't change anything. We need to let our money, feet and voices (literally) do the talking. We all want what's best for the club and what's best right now is not quiet acquiescence but vociferous and disruptive anarchy. One step back in the hope of a few steps forward with a new owner and manager.
Or we could express our discontent with an emoji.
27 Aug 2017 18:06:09
Eds, do you think we will sign 15 players before the window shuts?!
1.) 27 Aug 2017 18:15:44
Is that the 2025 window Barn :-)
Bit optimistic if it is :-)
2.) 27 Aug 2017 18:20:55
Hahahahah hope so.
{Ed033's Note - A better strategy would be to have 15 players on the pitch, with at least 4 players in goal.
3.) 27 Aug 2017 18:26:27
Just a new manager please. We have some excellent players, if selected and played in their correct positions and issued with some game plan.
4.) 27 Aug 2017 18:37:31
Ed 033 even tho we will still concede goals right left and center.
{Ed033's Note - Roll on Arsenal winning the Europa League.
5.) 27 Aug 2017 20:00:15
Do we need a new team bus? If so I think we all know where to park it.
18 Aug 2016 20:19:41
Like a lot of people on here, I think it's time for a change of manager but I would prefer to see a change of owner first. If we replace Wenger and the problem turns out to have been Kroenke all along, nothing will change.
Wenger has a history of success (going back a bit! ) so we know he can do it, but whether our failure as a football club is down to him or Kroenke, we probably won't know until Wenger writes his book. Given the little we know, Wenger is right to be criticised but I think our frustrations should be aimed at Kroenke first and foremost. He's getting away with destroying the club while Wenger rightly or wrongly takes all the flak.
A few match day boycotts against Kroenke specifically might help bring an end to the nonesense. I'm sure Usmanov would fund it. In fact, he'll probably actively encourage it.
1.) 18 Aug 2016 20:36:29
Its all Stan mate he makes Arsene sign those contacts and take the 8 million a year salary plus say all those things at every press conference plus spend 30 million on a MF player plus play Sanchez v Norwich last etc etc, don't even get me started about the side Stan played v Olympiacos and Zargreb in the opening two champions league games last season.
2.) 18 Aug 2016 21:19:34
Barn, that seems like a sensible approach. No doubt it will get criticised by the lopsided anti-Wenger brigade.
Not heard a decent replacement from anyone with most sensible people saying that you should be careful what you wish for.
Still there will be others who want him gone.
3.) 18 Aug 2016 21:32:09
Whilst I don't believe Wenger is blameless for a variety of things I also don't believe he is not capable of winning things.
Quite simply though whilst Kroenke remains as the head of this club and is happy to sit by doing nothing, with no will to see us win titles it will matter not who sits in the managers office.
That above all else is the most glaringly obvious problem.
4.) 18 Aug 2016 21:42:45
You make strong points there Barn, but personally I'm not entirely sure Kroenke is the bigger issue.
Don't get me wrong, he's not helping, but I think if he really was this tyrannical bloke limiting is to £20 and whatever you can find in the sofa, then it would of come out by now.
I think even Arsene would of kicked up a bit of a dis if he was being restricted.
I think it's a little column a, little column b.
I reckon Stan's stumbled onto this good thing, that makes him a steady income.
Why would he want to change that?
I think Arsene (unfortunatley, i honestly get no joy out of criticising the gaffer, but there's only so much you can take! ) is happy to trundle along in 2nd gear and Stan and co are happy to enable.
I mean look at Arsene today, he said 'it's not my money' when grilled about spending.
A couple of weeks ago, he literally said he has to treat it like its his money.
I know there's a slight difference, but still!
Sy4, also brings a very valid point.
I really believe, unless we got someone like Ancelotti, Simeone, Mourinho or Pep in (none of which will happen) there will be a period of downfall at the club, Utd-esque.
These are players that have had years of Arsene tactics drilled into them, it'll take time to adapt.
Personally, for me, I'd like Tuchel, I think he's the sort of bloke who'd fit the bill.
Eddie Howe is also a name mentioned but I think he's a bit young and could be bullied by the board of that IS their game.
All in all lads, every single direction the club goes in is a gamble, except staying how it is.
But in this business, staying the same is equal to going backwards.
07 Aug 2016 21:00:40
I think Wenger was waiting to see all our pre-season games before signing a striker in case Akpom convinced him not to. Whether his 4 goals did that or not, the Gabriel injury probably means that Giroud, Walcott and Akpom will be our strikers this season with available funds spent at the back.
Bbut the price for defenders has just increased.
08 Jul 2016 20:08:42
Following on from some posts about Wenger staying or going, I think people want a change of manager because it would mean a fresh approach that many feel is necessary. Arsenal is stale but a couple more good signings would address this.
Players and fans get a buzz from exciting new signings and although we've signed three big ones recently, clearly we weren't strong enough elsewhere to fully benefit. We fixed a leak in the hull but we have multiple leaks so we're still sinking. As a club our stock has fallen, Wenger's appeal has diminished and very good players have plenty of other options. For all the good Wenger has done, most of it was years ago and I don't think he's the one to turn things around.
As it stands, we're on course again to show promise in patches but ultimately disappoint. Finishing outside the CL places is a very real possibility this season. Ozil and Sanchez would then leave (they might anyway) and if Wenger does go, the new manager would have big problems. We wouldn't suffer due to Wenger leaving, we would suffer because he didn't leave earlier. Against this backdrop, we'll need a manager who can rebuild us and it might not be pretty for a spell.
Last year was an opportunity wasted because the players we needed then are the same players we need now, only now they're more expensive. The TV deal (and subsequent inflation) was known about so another massive mistake from the management team.
A long with a couple of new signings, the best thing we can do right now is sign all our important existing players to long term contracts because we might need that stability to see us through the handover.
Alternatively, it all comes together, we win the title and Wenger gets a new contract.!
1.) 08 Jul 2016 20:21:46
What worries me is that either way his fate has been decided. Obviously some not including myself. Have lost faith in him and don't seem behind him before the season has even started. Like we've already failed.
2.) 08 Jul 2016 21:05:35
I think Arsene has been and will continue to really try this summer to get atleast a striker and CB because he knows it's not only the very least we need bit also because he knows needs to convince Ozil and Sanchez to stick around 1 more season as losing either would increase the pressure on him and the team dramatically before a ball is even kicked.
Jamie vardys decision to decline our offer to join us show's our pulling power is not close to what it once was as I'm not sure he would have rejected Chelsea City or utd had they come calling, maybe he would have have but I doubt it.
We've got ourselves into a catch 22 situation as we can't break free from this also ran image without signing some very decent players but those decent players don't fancy top 4 chase without troubling the title winners and last 16 CL participation.
I think our image is of a club whos manager players and board are happy to just do enough to get into the champions league each and every season and lacking the genuine desire to be the best of the best and because of this we will only be able to get players with no better or even compatible option to join us.
3.) 08 Jul 2016 21:36:24
Well said Barn
We should of gone through manager change transition at least 5 years ago.
4.) 08 Jul 2016 21:50:42
D16,
I just find myself massively disappointed after last season, as Barn says the players we needed then are the players we need now.
It's seems every year we are linked with a player we need who at the time is within our grasp financially, we don't buy, they have a blinding season and we then have no hope of affording them.
It's like no player is good enough until they're to good.
I've been a huge supporter of Wenger and will still be 100% behind him but only because he is our manager no longer because I00% think he is going to do what it takes.
It pains me to say it mate.
5.) 08 Jul 2016 22:38:42
Stoner I cannot argue with that at all! I feel the same disappointment as everyone. We all know what we need and for some reason it doesn't happen I'm baffled to why. I just have a worrying feeling Arsene leaving might not change us for the better. Hopefully I'm wrong, is something else up other than Arsene being stubborn. Look at draxler we know he was watched a lot. Arsene admired him massively yet we didn't go in for him. Or anyone else last summer really. Why is that? Is he trying to save the money for the next boss? Are we not as well off as we think?
6.) 08 Jul 2016 22:38:57
What does everyone expect from Sunderland this season? Religation battle? I do.
What about Stoke? Mid table maybe a Europa league spot challenge?
What about Norwich? Promoted followed by religation after a couple of seasons at best?
I'm sure some of thier fans with extremely well tinted lenses in their frames will point out what Leicester did but the general consensus will be for those clubs to repeat what they always do.
If we remove our ultra Arsenal rose tinted specs what do other fans and more importantly potential signings see when they look at us?
7.) 09 Jul 2016 09:06:34
Exactly 62. If you always do what you always done, you will always get what you've always got.
We need to do what David Bowie does after swimming: Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes.
8.) 09 Jul 2016 09:23:32
All valid points from the above but I just can't back someone if I know they will deliver disappointment, how can that be right?
31 Aug 2017 16:19:26
That amount involves a twit tax. That's the extra we have to pay for being twits in the transfer window. It's our own fault.
29 Aug 2017 09:52:11
Have you seen how successful any of Kroenke's teams are? They're not, they're cash cows floating around mediocrity. Both he and Wenger need to go before we see any leap forward and as it stands we've got at least another two years of this nonsense.
No ambition, weak leadership and woefully inadequate business acumen. We used to have all three in abundance. Where we find ourselves is no coincidence.
22 Aug 2016 12:17:45
RG, if you think the club is being run superbly, you're going to wet your pants when it actually is.
The current set up is great for Kroenke but he's holding a deteriorating asset in my view. Like a landlord who doesn't repair leaky guttering or drains, eventually the building will need major works.
And there's a stench of rot at Arsenal.
21 Aug 2016 21:02:38
Probably indigestion.
09 Aug 2016 14:36:31
Stuff all your chat, whether it's positive or negative, and move over Dickie Law - the Ukrainian has accepted our job offer. I'm off to get a tan, six pack and some Rohypnol.
Can't wait for a few late nights taking down particulars.
22 Mar 2019 19:56:15
My friend asked me to help him round up his 37 sheep.
I said “40â€.
29 Aug 2017 13:58:20
RG, I don't see the point of reserving protests for sites such as this. Do you think Stan uses this site as a business tool?
Keyboard warriors, other than Anonymous, don't change anything. We need to let our money, feet and voices (literally) do the talking. We all want what's best for the club and what's best right now is not quiet acquiescence but vociferous and disruptive anarchy. One step back in the hope of a few steps forward with a new owner and manager.
Or we could express our discontent with an emoji.
29 Aug 2017 14:07:51
He's pushing it real good though Malaga!
28 Jul 2017 23:26:58
And the chap who invented punchlines has just died.
22 Aug 2016 12:22:25
I feel a Rosicky, Arteta and Flamini quote coming.