Arsenal Banter Archive August 18 2016

18 Aug 2016 23:34:45
I'm now thinking Wenger will wait to see how Kos and Chambers pair up before conmiting to a CB, he will think there is an international break plus some 'easier' fixtures coming up, then it won't be long before Gabs is back

Don't be surprised.

19 Aug 2016 00:00:06
You could be right mate.

Than he will check on Henry's fitness so he can save money on buying Lacazette.

Draxler? Don't need him, we got Anders Limpar :-)

Cover for bellerin? Lee Dixon looked match fit on MOTD the other night.

Problem's solved.

19 Aug 2016 00:11:57
I'm serious Dags it would be of no surprise

I see DW is back for Xmas, that's the striker issue sorted.

19 Aug 2016 06:36:40
Bambam, I agree mate :-)

19 Aug 2016 07:12:46
I'm not sure there's any real desire to sign anyone from Arsene, so much like Petr Cech I think it will be a case of waiting to see what other clubs do to make it difficult for Arsene to say no to players.
I think Arsene was more than happy with Ospina but Chelsea's owner all but deliver Cech personally and made it very difficult for Arsene to refuse him.
I really don't think Arsene wants the competition for his current players who he is extremely close to plus as we we've seen in the past with the DM situation that he refused to address for over 5 years the more everyone continues to point out and go on about what we need (pundits, media fans ) the more stubborn Arsene becomes almost as if he sees it as a weakness to to listen to what others think or give in to other's view's on his team.

{Ed001's Note - he seems to get a bit Pringle-ish when he does start buying something though. For years it was small, lightweight attacking midfielders. Now it is DMs. Once Coquelin forced his way into the team, it was like Wenger discovered a new obsession and now he can't get enough of them, having to add a new one every time the transfer window opens. I mean what's one more when Coquelin was so successful, so he adds Elneny. The fans loved him, so that is obviously the way to go and Xhaka arrived this summer. It is just a shame he hasn't noticed that the gap had already been plugged and that you now need centre backs and centre forwards, not centre midfielders. It was the same with keepers, how many do you have on your books? So many you have to loan them out! The transfer policy has completely lost its way at Arsenal since the glory days of the Invincibles.}

19 Aug 2016 09:01:31
Absolutely spot on Ed.

{Ed001's Note - it does happen sometimes, you don't need to sound so surprised dags ;-)

19 Aug 2016 10:03:14
Could not agree more with all of that Ed mate, Arsene admitted he was shocked by both how much difference a DM made and how much effect having a top class keeper made too.
Once things are absolutely forced on him he seems to buy into them quite fast.
Arsene has been absolutely brilliant for Arsenal no one can question that but the longer he goes on the more I realise how much he benefited from the very solid base he inherited and the players he brought in during the early years mixed with and learnt from the George Graham players but the more and more diluted George's influence became the more and more Arsene has struggled to deliver.
We have for around the last 8 years been 100% Arsenes team and in that time not once have we competed seriously, coincidence? I'm less and less convinced it is a coincidence with every season that goes by.

19 Aug 2016 11:24:35
Ed001,

Spot on again mate 😆.

{Ed001's Note - thanks dags...

18 Aug 2016 19:11:34
Crystal Palace have agreed a fee of 32 million for Benteke.

Benteke.

Just let that sink in and then put that into perspective with regards to our transfer policy. We're an absolute joke.

18 Aug 2016 23:09:57
Isn't that what Liverpool paid for him? Result or what to get their money back.

18 Aug 2016 23:18:43
So that's 60 odd million over two transfers for maybe ten goals! What a joke.

18 Aug 2016 23:26:59
Indeed, it shows that we are profit profit profit . As was posted the other day, IG did say we can cope without CL football . A few years of frustration I feel.

18 Aug 2016 23:30:52
And Wenger won't pay £40m for Lacazette?

18 Aug 2016 23:41:35
I didn't even think Palace had 32 million to spend.

Go figure.

Still. he's got to be an upgrade to Chamakh at least.

19 Aug 2016 00:02:04
Xhaka,
G62 is an upgrade on Chamakh.

Only joking 62 :-)

19 Aug 2016 14:11:35
Mate I feel for Chamack, being rated below me? He ain't that bad surely Dags :-) if he is tell Arsene I'm available to be that older CB he's been talking about getting.
I'm thinking get a 1 year deal at 30k a week initially then go on Twotter and Slag spuds daily be good in the changing room get me self a cheeky 3 year extension at an improved 100k a week then we all share the cash out equally between Eds and regular posters on this page, then hang up me boots get me statue and all without kicking a ball! Jobs a good un
Just need to convince Arsene it's all his own idea because if someone else suggests it it's a non starter :-)

18 Aug 2016 20:19:41
Like a lot of people on here, I think it's time for a change of manager but I would prefer to see a change of owner first. If we replace Wenger and the problem turns out to have been Kroenke all along, nothing will change.

Wenger has a history of success (going back a bit! ) so we know he can do it, but whether our failure as a football club is down to him or Kroenke, we probably won't know until Wenger writes his book. Given the little we know, Wenger is right to be criticised but I think our frustrations should be aimed at Kroenke first and foremost. He's getting away with destroying the club while Wenger rightly or wrongly takes all the flak.

A few match day boycotts against Kroenke specifically might help bring an end to the nonesense. I'm sure Usmanov would fund it. In fact, he'll probably actively encourage it.

18 Aug 2016 20:36:29
Its all Stan mate he makes Arsene sign those contacts and take the 8 million a year salary plus say all those things at every press conference plus spend 30 million on a MF player plus play Sanchez v Norwich last etc etc, don't even get me started about the side Stan played v Olympiacos and Zargreb in the opening two champions league games last season.

18 Aug 2016 21:19:34
Barn, that seems like a sensible approach. No doubt it will get criticised by the lopsided anti-Wenger brigade.
Not heard a decent replacement from anyone with most sensible people saying that you should be careful what you wish for.
Still there will be others who want him gone.

18 Aug 2016 21:32:09
Whilst I don't believe Wenger is blameless for a variety of things I also don't believe he is not capable of winning things.

Quite simply though whilst Kroenke remains as the head of this club and is happy to sit by doing nothing, with no will to see us win titles it will matter not who sits in the managers office.

That above all else is the most glaringly obvious problem.

18 Aug 2016 21:42:45
You make strong points there Barn, but personally I'm not entirely sure Kroenke is the bigger issue.

Don't get me wrong, he's not helping, but I think if he really was this tyrannical bloke limiting is to £20 and whatever you can find in the sofa, then it would of come out by now.
I think even Arsene would of kicked up a bit of a dis if he was being restricted.

I think it's a little column a, little column b.

I reckon Stan's stumbled onto this good thing, that makes him a steady income.
Why would he want to change that?
I think Arsene (unfortunatley, i honestly get no joy out of criticising the gaffer, but there's only so much you can take! ) is happy to trundle along in 2nd gear and Stan and co are happy to enable.

I mean look at Arsene today, he said 'it's not my money' when grilled about spending.

A couple of weeks ago, he literally said he has to treat it like its his money.

I know there's a slight difference, but still!

Sy4, also brings a very valid point.
I really believe, unless we got someone like Ancelotti, Simeone, Mourinho or Pep in (none of which will happen) there will be a period of downfall at the club, Utd-esque.
These are players that have had years of Arsene tactics drilled into them, it'll take time to adapt.

Personally, for me, I'd like Tuchel, I think he's the sort of bloke who'd fit the bill.

Eddie Howe is also a name mentioned but I think he's a bit young and could be bullied by the board of that IS their game.

All in all lads, every single direction the club goes in is a gamble, except staying how it is.

But in this business, staying the same is equal to going backwards.

18 Aug 2016 19:26:42
I don't believe that we after. Mahrez, as it made no sense, as we have many players for the right attacking role; Walcott, Ox, Campbell, Ramsey, Gnabry, etc. I am sure a rumour was spread, to aid Mahrez getting an improved contract.

18 Aug 2016 20:24:02
The rumour was spread for the journalist to get paid by attracting hits from gooners who wanted it to be true, the journalist would like to thank all gooners who have paid for their holiday and new car :-)

18 Aug 2016 19:30:09
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18 Aug 2016 20:00:27
"And over to our English Correspondent at The Emirates, Arsene Wenger. Arsene any news? "

"Non, I see nothing. I never see nothing"

18 Aug 2016 20:33:48
Gunner I look forward to your informative reports after reading all the bs and untruths we have to read every day. Its good to know we actually have someone in the know right on our own doorstep.

18 Aug 2016 21:27:04
Top quality 62 it's the most sane piece of reporting on here. 😉👍🏼

That's obviously not the Sane we let slip who went to Man City.

18 Aug 2016 22:02:01
Love it mate. Its truly better than all the bullshsh*ep in the news paper.
Keep it up mate ;)

18 Aug 2016 15:54:28
I think Wenger's below statement speaks volumes. There was a report suggesting these large transfer budget figures of 100mln were very far off the mark and that Arsenal did not have that kind of money.

I think the below supports this. Looking at our big spending we effectively are able to make one big signing a year and it appears Xhaka was it.

The portion of the statement really says it all:
"That is not a problem but you must then have the money available to pay because we've already invested"

So did Wenger allocate too much on Xhaka?

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"Look, first of all you always have to be convinced by the quality of the player. Before you pay over the odds you have to be convinced that the player is good enough to strengthen your squad and you then have to make the decision as to how much you pay over the odds. That is not a problem but you must then have the money available to pay because we've already invested, people forget that, at a very high price and we will do it again. ".

18 Aug 2016 16:21:34
If I have a family to feed and no food in the cupboard, I can think of a million reason's not to go shopping.

Doesn't make it right.

18 Aug 2016 16:45:10
Good analogy Dags.

18 Aug 2016 17:07:52
He's driving me bonkers at the moment.

18 Aug 2016 14:53:03
Why didn't Wenger use the Euro time to buy players instead of working for French TV? Henry is not allowed to work for The Arsenal and Sky, why should Wenger have two jobs. If Wenger just looked back at what he has said in the past, he just says one thing one day and the opposite the next. Same with Gazidis. I though once we got shot of the Hill-Woods things would change but Chips is no better. They just look down on the supporters as though we are not clever enough to see through their lies. As I said yesterday "Arsene Wenger's Tragic he wears tragic hat. His checkbooks in his pocket he won't be needing that. " One thing you can be sure of is if their lips are moving they are lying. So sorry to post this as I love our club and think we are now the laughing stock of the league.

18 Aug 2016 15:33:13
even though no fans are happy with our transfer dealings, the laughing stock on the league we are not, believe me there are clubs in far far worse situations than us.
I am not saying we should all be happy and accept what's happening but let put things into perspective.
we finished 2nd last year, and while we have not drastically improved i see no reason why we have gone backwards. yes other teams have brought and seemingly strengthened, but nothing is won on paper, let see how the teams perform.
and the wenger on tv thin is different, it was out of our prem league season, Henry would have had to work on Monday to Friday, plus weekend and on match days for sky, how can he be a coach if his team are playing and he in interviewing Paul Pogba?

18 Aug 2016 15:35:03
No need to apologuse N7.

Your post epitomises the thoughts and feeling's if every Arsenal supporter.

Sure, we have 2 week's left in the window, but it amazes me that we never wrap up our business in time.

The reason?
We haggle too much. Even Mustafi's Father has just said (allegedly) , "Arsenal have dithered too much, and now another 2 team's are interested in my Son".

Admittedly, this could be just a ploy, but we agreed personal term's with the player over a week ago, so what's the problem?

It's beyond a joke.

18 Aug 2016 15:48:37
Gunnerbreal,
If you don't go forwards, you are perceived as going backwards.

None more so true than in football.

18 Aug 2016 16:48:45
Or in Arsenals case doing a Ray Wilkins :-)

18 Aug 2016 13:55:01
Arsene " so wolfsburg how much for Draxler?
Wolfsburg " 40 million "
Arsene " 30 million are you mad he's never worth 20 million!
Arsene again, " how about 10 million and Walcott? Just make the cheque for Walcott out forv 10 million payable to Arsenal football club and we can exchange players at a time and place that good for Arsenal.

18 Aug 2016 14:51:43
Chuck in a packet of Jaffa Cakes.

Works everytime :-)

18 Aug 2016 16:07:25
That's not a nice way to describe Walcott! Are you suggesting he fires blanks dags.

18 Aug 2016 20:04:09
Lol Sanogo, only on the pitch mate.

18 Aug 2016 10:27:12
Hi all been reading the page for a long while but never posted on here before. Maybe a way to get the clubs attention that fans are not pleased is for those guys and girls with season tickets is to stop spending money in the ground as banners ect doesn't seem to work with these leeches/ people/ board members any thoughts?

18 Aug 2016 07:46:15
People talk about managers needing time to build a squad, not Arsene.
Hollywood are making a film about his Arsenal career to rival Jamie Vardy the movie, it going to be titled
Arsene Wenger a career in reverse:-)

18 Aug 2016 09:17:30
I thought it was going to be called, "10 years a Saver" 😉.

18 Aug 2016 09:20:10
Jesus I'm thick, "12 years a Saver" ruined that gag. 😂😂😂.

18 Aug 2016 10:18:30
That's better Red :-)

18 Aug 2016 05:38:58
Is the Draxler deal back on? .
The rumours are resurfacing again with abundance.
I'm thinking it could be a goer this time.

18 Aug 2016 07:42:03
It's just the papers since Mahrez has committed. I don't think we are buy a winger or striker. I feel it'll be may be 1 or even 2 CBs.

18 Aug 2016 10:20:01
Do they want more than £10m?

Yep, forget about it than.

18 Aug 2016 14:01:13
£10m, did we suddenly become rich Dags? What we mean is that if he costs more than £10 and a kitkat its above our level. Wenger is currently sniffing around the Beazer Homes League 3 South looking for our next CB. its tricky, because the board have also said whoever we sign also needs to be a builder so he can paint the toilets on Wednesdays, but so far we have only found a dentist.

18 Aug 2016 03:58:16
Rumour has it West Bromwich turn down 16 mil bid from us. Thank god for that. I hope West Bromwich want 85mil for him. It just can't be true.

18 Aug 2016 10:22:05
For Pulis? :-)

18 Aug 2016 14:09:16
I think they turned us down as they thought it was a crank call. Can you imagine the conversation, Hey tony, got some guy on claiming he is from Arsenal and they want to bid, get this, 16 million for Johhny Evans! Ok says Tony, tell that bloomin Dom Jolly to get off the line, were not falling for him again.

18 Aug 2016 02:20:11
Hey fellas. I wanted to wait a bit after last weekends game because I'm really not here to gloat. I just wanted some opinions from you guys. And I'm incredibly bored so if you wanna shun me back to the Liverpool page, it's all good.

All things considered I'm very pleased we won this weekend. it's been terribly hard to win at the Emirates for us over the years. Just thinking back to the game I have some real moments of confusion on the part of your manager.

The biggest two issues for me: you spent a boat load on xhaka. Why did your manager wait till you were down to bring him on? If this guys so good (admittedly haven't seen him hardly kick a ball) , why wasn't he on the pitch? Match fitness?

The other thing, that I still don't understand. santi cazorla seems to have a blinder versus us every single game. Why was he not starting ahead of Ramsey? I know some of you are big Ramsey fans but cazorla has always been better in my eyes. And it should be noted, when he came on, we looked shaky and almost threw the game. And Ramsey hasn't been the same player since he had that breakout season a couple years ago.

After that match it looks like it could be a long season for us both. Don't know what to expect. Good luck to you lads. Sorry for the long post.

{Ed007's Note - What a thoroughly decent bloody nice chap.}

18 Aug 2016 05:46:24
From what I see you need a new lb but coutinho is a brilliant player and for me your team should be built round him I think Liverpool will have a good season and could finish top 4 mate it will be an exciting season for most teams but think our team need improvements if we want to be challenging for the title. But well played Liverpool.

18 Aug 2016 07:04:28
Tj great post and trust me most of our fans are asking the same question. not starting Xhaka. i can deal with that but to start Ramsey ahead of Santi? there is no excuse for that. as you've. mentioned Ramsey gave us one amazing season but last season he was so poor. slowing down the game, backpassing. i know this sounds a. bit harsh but i am glad that he will be now out so Santi will start.

18 Aug 2016 10:23:25
Morning TJ, you old tart :-)

Mate, it's just another mystery that makes supporting Arsenal so much fun :-)