Arsenal Banter Archive May 01 2017

01 May 2017 19:33:50
Ok - big Ozil and Wenger fan and normally very conservative but I really think we need a proper strategy for the club and transfer dealings.

My strategy - long medium term and right off next season as we have to make big changes. To do this we must accept a period of pain.

First - decide on formation / how we will play, My vote is 4 4 2 or 3 4 1 2

We then clear out players and sign the players for the system. Identify 3 players for each position and get the contract team to do their job.

A number of players either don't fit the above, don't play to their strengths in EPL or just don't have the heart to stick around to see the plan out.

Finances - all sales are reinvested plus 100m from reserves. We need to turn players into cash a little better to compete so scouting needs to improve plus be more ruthless in letting players go at the right time.

Wage structure - the clear out will allow us to rethink this and to reward top 2 finishes and give up cash for poor finishes while wages reflect the market so we pay top players well and at a rate that we can dispose of them when needed. Especially applies to squad players.

Clear out:


Debuchy
Jenkinson
Mertesacker
Walcott
Ozil
Chambers
Campbell
Sanogo
Wilshere
Ospina
Gibbs
Santi
sanchez - think he has left us already. If we can turn him then great but if not then sell to highest bidder
Coq
Granit
Gabby
Rambo
Wellbeck

I would like to see some young players blooded and playing more eg Holding

I am clearly over reacting and selling some of the players I like but I want a strategy and our transfers mirror that.

4 4 2 and 3 4 1 2

Victory through harmony and a fortress of a home ground

Scare the crap out of the opposition in the tunnel and destroy them on the pitch

Bite the bullet and be brave - don't care who manages the team if they can do the above.

The board need to grow a set and the manager be managed like an employee

Coaching staff needs to be upgraded - better defence coach and a better attack coach

If our brand struggles to sign players - get ambassadors who will get us players e. g. PV4 and TH14 or DB10

Get Keown managing defence and Henry working on attack

No rose tinted glasses - just want the best for the club long term.

{Ed025's Note - great in principal SY unfortunately you know as well as i do that thats not going to happen, the archaic system will still be at arsenal until arsene departs and the board either changes or decides to invest in the club to the desired level, i wish i could say something different mate but realistically you know im right..

01 May 2017 19:52:41
Yep - I know you are right Ed.

01 May 2017 20:51:14
My honest opinion is some are going over the top with this player clear out. Yes we need to move some on and yes we definitely need 3 top quality signings but it's more important we get a new manager.

Let him make the signings and see what he can get from this squad because I'm pretty sure they're better than what we are seeing on the pitch right now.

We are just stale and rudderless.

01 May 2017 21:49:40
I agree, I do think some players aren't good enough but I also think that some could be brought on by a new manager/ coach. A lot of our players are just naive in the way they play and the things they do and that is down to what they are taught or not taught. Personally I think we have seen the best of giroud, mustaffi, monreal and ramsay, of the starters. We need a complete new central midfield and we don't have the players at the club to improve it and I think we need at least two central defenders, depending which system we play. I still tink there is improvement in walcot, welbeck, ox, holding, gabrial and iwobi of the starters. But a new manager and direction is vital. A new manager with a striker, new midfield, one or two central defenders would with the right guidance have a team to challenge more. But i'm afraid I don't see that being the case if wenger stayed, even if he spent 300 mil. Wenger has to go and ideally so does kronk but i'm sure at least one will still be here next season, it will be a disaster if both are.

01 May 2017 21:54:09
Plus it fine to list players who you would like to leave but people forget these players have contracts and these contracts quite rightly​ protect thier earnings for the length of that contract so getting them to leave won't be easy because many of them could never demand the wages they get with us elsewhere​.
We as a club gave them the contacts in respect of both length and wages and if we got it wrong that's our problem not the players, I'm sure we will get as much as we can possibly get for Mesut and Sanchez this summer because that's how the business works and those players we don't want anymore are entitled to do the same regarding us imo.

01 May 2017 22:02:51
Gunner nobody wanted, debauchery, cambell, shezny, jenkinson or gibbs, average players at best on too much money. That will be the case again with many this summer. We will get good money for the top two but some of the others are not a good buy for teams. Although, I do wonder who would buy ozil, he would want to go to turkey I don't think, could we get big money from china, I don't think he would go there either.

{Ed001's Note - you know Oezil is of Turkish extraction and could have chosen to play for Turkey or Germany right? So he might want to go to the home of his family.}

01 May 2017 22:17:55
I know it's not a computer game and doing what I listed is not possible but my point is we may need to build from the bottom up and challenge the foundations - how we sign players, quality of squad, wage structure, backroom staff, mentality and unity.

I am happy for a crap season if it's one we truly build on and we see the strategy.
We cannot have a fire sale but we may need to take some pain on transfer values to do the right thing long term

It's expensive when a business loses its way and we have. Tough decisions need to be made and we need to be decisive for the benefit of the club.

I like Danny but his touch is poor as is his finishing.
I like Theo but only on his good days. He makes poor decisions and actually doesn't use his pace enough.
I love Ozil but something just isn't right and he isn't performing enough for us to challenge.
I love Sanchez but his hearts gone

We say Wenger is too loyal - well, it's time to be tough and I expect the board to be tough also - just like a FTSE100 board would be if they had their worst year in 20 years and saw competitors overtake them. M and S get ruthless but never fix the problem - let's get tough and build the right foundations.

01 May 2017 22:13:34
Ed001 I know but living in turkey in istanbul, playing for a turkish team, I don't think is that appealing. Now germany, yes but to who?

{Ed001's Note - it wouldn't appeal to me, but he might have family in the area and that might appeal to him.}

02 May 2017 12:06:09
Outs:
1. Walcott
2. Mertesacker
3. Debuchy
4. Gibbs.
5. One of Giroud or Welbeck. Can't have both of them in the squad.
6. Coquelin
7. Perez
8. Gabriel
9. Ramsey.
10.Jenkinson
11.Sanogo
Get rid of all the above, bring in

1.Mbappe/ Bellotti
2.Arda Turan
3.Idrissa Gueye
4.Kolsinic (can't b worse than Gibbs)
5.Koulibaly if possible

Promote Holding, Iwobi, and Adelaide.

01 May 2017 15:20:08
Oh dear R. G. spurs 2 st arsenhole day 0, I see Wenger has yet to beat poch in a league game since he's been at spurs. We look absolute quality while you look so poor and you had the runaround yet again, no European football next year, a past his sell by date manager and a crap squad of players except sanchez, do you still think Harry Kane is poor lol he smashes you every time time R. G. and I love it, the pain in the arsenhole is here to stay 17 points R. G.

01 May 2017 16:59:06
Raver - This season you went out of all three cups before us. Indeed we are more likely to win the F A Cup than you win the league and there are no prizes for finishing second. The pain at the lane just goes on. 56 years and waiting 1 9 6 1.

01 May 2017 17:13:22
Raver - assuming from your semi-literate writing style, you are only about 12 years of age, the sole trophy won by the toot in your lifetime was the League Cup nearly a decade ago! You were only two, so you don't even remember it! No wonder you are stalking Arsenal fans. A bitter spud! Two small clubs were never going to win the PL in consecutive years, so having glanced at Chelsea's run in, the pain at the lane just goes on. It will make the toot's failure to win the league for 56 years even sweeter and you will remember 1961 as Chelsea lift the trophy, while the Toot lift nothing yet again. It will be so amusing if we win the cup and the Toot have nothing to celebrate. Then again you are used to failure. 1961.

{Ed001's Note - you are so boring. Have you really not got something else to say? This is just the same repetitive crap you post every single time. Change the record for all our sakes. You are starting to make me want Spurs to win the league just so you have to shut up about 1961!}

01 May 2017 17:25:44
Ed, it's simply fact and raver is the boring one. I can't imagine what motivates a toot fan to stalk an Arsenal site when he supports a team that has been in Arsenal's shadows for decades. He still hasn't learnt that you wait until you have actually won something before gloating. I can only assume he is a masochist.

{Ed001's Note - it is obviously beyond you what banter is. You need to get out more.}

01 May 2017 17:53:18
Ed I'm not boring as you know as you've partied with the raver many of times and I'm definitely not stalking. Yes I can be a wind up and I take a fair share of banter back all in good style, most of the boys on this site have said spurs are going places but R. G. see's things a lot different, he says we are so crap yet his side are 17 points behind us, I definitely agree with you ed he needs to get out more and not to be so bitter at the raver and spurs, I feel so sorry for his wife as the only conversation she gets out of him is 1961.

{Ed001's Note - I doubt I could handle a party with you mate!}

01 May 2017 18:53:25
You do need some silver raver! I think spurs are a right top side but we need the jackets mate!

01 May 2017 18:56:55
Raver you are a valued part of this page as far as I'm concerned mate and I'd be gutted if you stopped posting on this page.
Yes you like to point out how bad we are sometimes ( a lot :-) but that's football banter isn't it? But your also very capable of having a serious opinions too and this page would be all the poorer without you mate.
Plus you are a brilliant barometer of whenever​ we hit a new all time low because even you don't have the heart to kick us at those times but instead start trying to find something good to say about Arsenal as a great club.

01 May 2017 19:01:39
Raver I think you boys should bring bale home if possible. Icing on the cake if he comes back. Titles yours.

01 May 2017 20:05:18
Thanks boys for the heart warming replys especially you gunner. I fully agree I never kick you when you down, I just give you a few digs and when you've had enough I switch to Subaru talk instead.

01 May 2017 20:16:58
Cant agree more ed 001. It is yhe same day after day and does get tedious being so repetitive and unimportant.

01 May 2017 21:10:42
Raver you were the better team this year, but your still a love bug to me. Do you shave your ears?

01 May 2017 21:51:19
Malaga, only an idiot or blind person could say any different, not the ears bit.

02 May 2017 00:20:09
Congratulations raver enjoy your push for the title tjis year i think next year will be different as you don't seem to do well at Wembley.

01 May 2017 13:13:10
i believe that Arsenal are in real trouble regardless of the corporate messages coming from the board and manager.

Arsene Wenger has clearly reached the end of his tenure, and players like Sanchez, Ozil and Bellerin will want to leave for bigger things. The majority of the squad are very average indeed, players like Iwobi, Elneny, Giroud, Wellbeck, Perez, Jenkinson, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Walcott, Xhaka, Coquellin, Gibbs, Holding, Paulista, Martinez, Debuchy, Ospina and even Ramsey are surely not title challenging players.

Cazorla, Sanchez and Ozil are class, and Cech is a safe pair of hands for the short term. My fear is they want Champions League and Sanchez and Ozil are 29 next season and Cazorla will be 33. After such an injury Cazorla might never be the same at his age and Sanchez and Ozil will want to have the final chapter in a top football club.

So this leaves Arsenal with no Wenger as he will surely gets sacked after Man Utd beat you. Sanchez and Ozil off for a fraction of their value, Cazorla probably never returning to the first XI, and a squad of average players.

Then you have a huge loss of Champions League revenue which if repeated for 3-5 years will destroy the club financially.

So perhaps a new manager like Conte will sign but I sincerely doubt that any world class manager will risk taking on a sinking ship, and even if they did I doubt world class players will want to sign without Champions League football.

Arsenal are a quality club with a great stadium and pedigree. The future looks dark at The Emirates, and I think deep down most will agree with this post albeit reluctantly!

01 May 2017 15:02:17
Yep pretty much correct. We have been drifting down on a slow painful decline now for the last few years and need a total revamp. New owners, new board, new manager and new players. Arsenal is big club with lots of money and commercial clout and should never accept Spurs being in much better shape really. Arsenal need fresh passion and direction from top to bottom.

Look at Utd they had a season much below par with LVG but they are not messing about as it's just not acceptable to them and getting back to where they should be under Mourinho, it will only be a mater of time (Nest season most likely) and money obviously before they are right up there again challenging.

01 May 2017 15:06:05
I read the bitter twaddle you'd written on your own page fella prior to yesterday's game in your utter desperation to make out you are a big club.

You need to take that bunch of lemons out of your mouth son.

01 May 2017 15:22:17
Like I've said before spurs are a good side this year but unless they take the title then people will soon forget.

01 May 2017 15:49:03
As for world class signings which ones did Poch sign? None to the best of my knowledge.
But he has built a very strong effective competitive unit without spending a fortune to achieve it.
Vast amounts of money can make building a team easier but it doesn't make it full proof and neither does spending wisely and getting the best out of a group of hard working non world class players make achieving big things impossible on a modest budget, Leicester Spurs are recent very good examples of this.

01 May 2017 18:57:11
The problem spurs have is 1.turning points into prizes 2.when people look back we could win the FA cup this year.3. Try to keep your players.

01 May 2017 10:14:18
I haven't posted for quite a while as I feel I only have negative feelings towards the club. But the fact is what else can you feel.
We have so so many poor players the team is a complete shambles. I would find it very difficult to pick out the players that should be jogged on it's easier to pick out the ones we should keep. But the fact is we haven't got a cat in hells chance of keeping him. You have got to feel sorry for Sanchez. He must be so frustrated he gives 150 percent every game.

Cech I feel would be off if it wasn't for his age he's been playing really well but you can only do so much as a goalkeeper.
My concern is, as I said before, is who are we going to attract to this club next season.

What world class player is going to want to play for a club in so much disarray? . Also who's going to want to be the manager of such a club? They are going to be on a hiding for nothing if they don't get it right from the get go.
I wasn't going to pick out any particular player for a consistently bad performance but if there was a prize for it then RAMSEY is the out and out supreme champion. Absolute rubbish! . How on earth he is playing in the premiership let alone in an Arsenal shirt is dumbfounding.

Tighten your belts boys and be prepared to be a mid table team next season with players coming in that you have never heard of. I've got two tickets for the United game next week which I treated my son to for his 18th I would rather of given him the money instead. It's not even worth the fuel to get down there.

01 May 2017 11:05:58
I remember Ramsey's great season what he said. Arsene told me to do the simple things and it'll come. And it did.

What happened? Every time he plays he tries the fancy stuff. I saw it a lot yesterday. Back flicks to no one. A bicycle kick in the middle of he park and missed. Sure there was other moments. This team is in such a poor state.