Arsenal Banter Archive March 25 2014

 

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25 Mar 2014 23:48:59
for me u can't blame the result tonight on Wenger. The team did well to get back in front and the equalising goal was seriously unlucky for it to rebound off sczenzny and in but for me wenger has to walk at the end of the season regardless if we finish 4th and win the fa cup. I feel the whole clubs needs a change around especially the medical staff! it is absolutley shocking our key players are out at such a crucial time of the season and for long periods when nobody elses key players are! wenger seems so stubbon in the way he sets up in how his way is alays the right way, well its not! his tactics against the big teams have been horrendous to say the least and without a proper cdm in the team we will always get killed by the big teams because our style of play leaves us open because arteta isn't strong enough to break down the play. I don't even want to think what yaya toure is going to do this saturday to us. for me kim kallstrom has to start alongside flamini. Tonight he looked a decent player he is strong when needs to, competes in the air, can get forward and can pick a pass! for e its a no brainer not to start him! I also think we lack a lot of pace, one thing turns out to be our worse enmey because there is no get out ball and we have to play our way out. I also believe this is something giroud wuld thrive on as he has runners in behinf but also people that can get to the byline to pull the ball back! this means I would go with an attacking mid trio of gnabry - cazorla - chamberlain! I know it is a risk with gnabry but it means we have pace down the wings, something whivh we could use to get at the city fullbacks who aren't the strongest but also demichelis who dreads pace! with pace in the team and the roar of the home crowd I think we could pull off a shock! I would like to leave by saying who would people want to take over if wenger walks? for me it has to be klopp!

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Sorry I do blame the result at the feet of wenger no plans b again.

Can't blame injures for the tactics used over and over again so predictable

We must be the worst team in the league at taken set pieces lost count of the amount of free kicks wasted tonight

Players played in the wrong games and out of position

All wengers fault is a stubborn person and I have lost all faith in him

He is a joke of a manger spends too much time in business meetings and not enough time trying different formations and tactics

Wenger not in the top 15 mangers in the prem league

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Boy we are desperate now people are saying we must start kallstrom, wow that's a big change. It is wengers fault he picks the team, players, tactics, subs etc. He was the one who didn't bring pace into the team up front in January. He is in charge of fitness of players and training. If we are not good enough he is the reason.

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Spanner, awful post mate,
Steve r we did try and failed to get what we wanted, as good as wenger is people don't come running when he clicks his fingers
the last 6/7 years wenger has shopped in the bargin basement trying to get value, because his hands are tide with paying of the debt.
yet he has held us up the top 4 each time

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Half of our 1st team are injured lads, difficult to have a plan A or B. It does bewilder me that Arsene picks Flamini when we don't need him and leaves him on the bench when we do. The Ox has been dreadfull in the last 2 games as has Santi. Sagna should have played center back as well. Vermaelen should be sold asap.

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25 Mar 2014 23:44:03
This is just from the AFC Site from AW on injured players

on Ozil, Ramsey, Wilshere and Koscielny…
None of them are close to coming back. Koscielny is out for a while. After that Ozil, I don’t know but at least two or three weeks. Ramsey is perhaps the closest. He is two weeks maybe.

There you can see Ramsey still 2 weeks away, can anyone on here remember me saying weeks ago that I had heard that Ramsey was out for the season, and yet many of you said he would be back for the NLD?

Arsenal do this all the time they lie about players fitness to keep the peace, Ramsey will not play again this season.

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What is going on with our medical team? When we had Gary Lewin we managed the teams injuries & niggles and got players back in shape. Are the training conditions to extreme? Are they pushing the players for quick returns which result in setbacks from not resting correctly?. Puzzling?

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25 Mar 2014 23:32:08
banter - here's a tip if you get a bit down. Go on to some of the Manchester United forums - they are in a much much worst place than we are mentally and emotionally - it's quite the eye opener for a bit of schadenfraude.

It could be worse - we could have Moyes. Chins up.

ps: worried about City.

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There u go! Does that make everyone feel better?
Bagginz, unlike u and laker most arsenal fans worry more about arsenal than utd.

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City are going to destroy us, make no mistake. with rooney and mata they did not get a sniff of the city goal, with our players we are not going to get past the half way line.

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@CTR chill out mate, it was fairly tongue in cheek. For the record, I doubt you know a) how much I care about Arsenal and b) the only time I was interested in Utd is when you stole our captain and then all your plastic fans rubbed our noses in it.

I don't know you, you don't know me, nothing else to say.

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Whatever makes you happy CTR, the only thing I want for united is to give Moyes a contract extension, other than that, I don't care.

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25 Mar 2014 23:31:35
Dont understand wenger

plays one dm away against chelsea then plays 2 dm at home to swans.
takes off only player we had on with pace won't change formation playing santi and TR out of postion

I was at the game and we where awful no plan b just balls floated in to the back post with every set peace just little pass to each other letting swans get into postion

easy to defend against

we should of last michu missed a sitter to make it 2

we where unlucky as pold got fouled and somehow ref gave them the free kick which lead to the og

but perfomance wise it was awful

could of gone 442 with ox and gab on the wing and flams and santi in the middle with h giroud and poldski up front but wenger will never change from this formation that as won zich

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We need to stop making excuses, I think we deserved to lose. wenger needs to spend major money this summer, if he got 100 million he should put 5 million more out of his own pocket, this is beyond a joke now.

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25 Mar 2014 23:30:11
all the quotes i'm hearing is wenger is staying don't know where you chaps get the info he is leaving from I can't find anything on the internet

call it stubborn or blind arrogance I don't see him leaving anytime soon, and as much as I hate to say this I don't want him sacked I want him to move upstairs and help a new manager in the position maybe become the dein figure

interesting stat for you 9 goals inside first 20 mins, I think we need to invest in pro plus for some of these players ok i'm joking all of them 5 cans of red bull and a packet of pro plus 30 mins before the game. least the pitch will get fertilised :)

think we have to chalk this season down as so near but never close

but I would we wary of the russian taking over given the un sanctions going on russia not a good place to be and chelsea could suffer

would you really want to be a billionaire play thing?

only billionaires i'd accept are billy g from M$ maybe larry e from oracle these guys could easily put us in 5 maybe 10 stratospheres ahead of these mino's like the arab oil money and the abramovich - so we do it let's do it properly
lol

we could sell it on free tickets for kids of under privileged backgrounds

end of the day what i'm saying is a football club shouldn't make a profit every penny should be invested in the club

we've been woefully under invested in and now we have the biggest cash reserve of all 19 clubs combined

end of the day we've declined this season which ever way you dress it up and now looking like we need serious recruits

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mate I don't think we have gone backwards, maybe stagnent, but never backwards,
we should achive more points
semi finale f a cup
a lot of very entertaining games
No slow progress at least

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Look we do not need billions to contend, we need to spend to contend.

Giroud is our only option. form or no form, he is the only option. that's not good in any which way.

even the spurs have soldado and adebayor, think of it that way.

Ozil, Caz, wilshere should be rotated, not played on the wing when a winger is not there, again bad transfer policy.

Arteta, Ramsey, Flamini, and we need a Proper DM ( again this has been lacking for 5 years now)

walcott, Gnabry, Ox, and we need another winger, again rotation is key.

we have two LB's i'm ok with that. we have 3 CB's again we need one more.

we need a new RB, and jenks could possibly be ok as cover.

the striker position is a joke. Sanogo for me has done more than giroud in terms of potential and displays.

Podolski is not fast on the wing, neither is he great against the better teams, he needs to be sold, and replaced with an actual world class winger.

once again, a world class striker is necessary, IF we had suarez we would be running away with the title, but we are now scraping for 4th, pending how our battle with everton goes, as we are not going to get anything from the game on sat.

So who is to blame? the manager, no one else. I would understand if it was a one off in a couple of years, but 10 years down the line, nothing has changed? are we really in a position to bargain for players when we should even pay over the odds to land the players?

throw 10 million more and liverpool might have done the deal as suarez wanted out. but we stuck to our one pound policy.

if we wanted cavani we should have paid the 53 million, but no we want to be sane.

how much is suarez worth? how much is diego costa worth? if we spent our money on buying Ozil, and we don't buy some sort of world class player, what is the actual point of Ozil? To pass the ball in the middle? don't we have players who do that already?

the current philosophy is not complete.


pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, lose the ball.

pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, concede.

its one thing to get behind the team, its another to blindly support a team that is wealthy enough to make big moves, yet makes us look like morons.

If we win the FA cup it won't be all doom and gloom, but with current form and injuries, is anyone even optimistic thinking we are going to win something? i'm seeing the chokers choke time and time again, why are these guys being given lengthy contracts, what have they proved?

all we are doing, is repeating what we did 3 years ago, making players garbage and then unable to dispose of the same garbage.

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Abramovich turns up to 90% of chelseas games, 'plaything' is a bit harsh to say about that, more of a 'christmas pet'

he cares about them alot.

and the etihad side of things, well they are restructuring all of city's facilities.

the top two mentioned billionaire owners actually 'at least seem to' care about their club, its the vincent tams and the pozzos that you need to worry about.

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Um kronke anyone? I don't even know if he watches Arsenal on TV.

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25 Mar 2014 22:58:34
I am not going to watch the game on Saturday, I will look for the result at half 7 . I feel as bad now as I did on Saturday, we really were in a false position. Punching above our weight, as some pundits have said for a while.

I don't even feel confident for the cup

Roll on the WC

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I'm a sadist so will be watching, but i'm going to be armed with a lotta adult beverages

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I will watch it but I would consider it a good result if we only lose by 2 goals.

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I really fear for us on Saturday Man City look bang in the grove at the moment and must win their games in hand and if we play like we have done the last 2 games I can easily see another 4 or 5 nil beating to be honest.

I think Podolski should start wide left and Give Gnarby a go on the right side. Drop Arteta with Ox and Cazorla central in front of Flamini, maybe give Kalstrom a start and drop Ox to see what he is made of. Not much choice elsewhere really.

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Ill be thier but fear a little as everything seems so low, but i'm a gooner threw think un thin, I do think we are playing the champions,

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25 Mar 2014 22:53:01
Banter please eds.

I won't reiterate how frustrating and infuriating that is as others have put it well. I'll only say that we need to win at least 6 of our 7 PL games left (and FA cup of course) if we want to say we have 'progressed.' That will take us over 80 points which is considerably better than last season. It's not over yet but not looking likely with performances like that.

One key point I noticed today is the DM position. I was at the game and took the opportunity to watch Flamini and Arteta's movement. All I can say is that it looked like a massive waste of an extra player. They don't defend in tandem, one just covers for the other if they feel like ambling forward. We are essentially using 2 players to do what one very good DM could do. And neither of them offer huge amounts going forward. I basically still think that Arteta is good against more defensive teams and Flamini is good DM cover. But we need a top quality DM to play alongside Ox/Wilshere/Ramsey in the other deep role. Otherwise, like tonight, we just become flat in the middle.

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I wish people would stop talk of us having made/possibly made progress. Even a cup win won't disguise the fact we can't maintain a high level of performance and results to be competitive
No progress in 504 games and counting

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What I do think is we need to invest this summer and wisely cause utd will be dropping cash like you won't believe 67 million this year and I reckon they'll be dropping 200 mill this summer on 5 players so we don't bite the bullet next year gets use thursday night football at best

which means the puma money replaces the CL money :(

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Flamini and Arteta simply does not work like you say. Arteta is backup in my book now. Not that Flamini is that fantastic really but he is the closest we got to a half decent DM, the own goal tonight for him was a real kick in the balls nothing he could do about it.

Carzorla if he is to play must play central he imbalances the side far too much in the left position, Podolski must play there although Wenger seem reluctant he just
does not seem to fancy starting Podolski. For me Gnarby deserves a run in team in the right position. Also I would perhaps give Kallstrom a start in central midfield to see what he is about on Saturday.

We desperately miss Walcott and Ramsey but a side like Arsenal should NOT be relying on just two key players there needs to be backup for both players like for like. We should not be in situation where two injured players just ends up crippling our game.

Perhaps Kallstrom can be like Ramsey not sure and Gnarby our Walcott but is a lot to ask of new/young players like that.

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25 Mar 2014 22:52:19
This is a familiar tale every year, oh how wonderful it is to finish 4th, it is like winning a trophy, as long as the club take this stance we haven't got a chance.

My worry is Wenger will walk away with us in 6th or 7th place, that wouldn't do him justice being fair.


AW win the cup finish 4th and then walk away .

We need to ship 4 or 5 players and get in 6 or 7 . true quality, there is also another man who is a problem, a certain American, I feel we need a Russian

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The Russian would give us a blank cheque book (too a certain extent) and would turn us into proper title challengers.

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Banbury I agree we need koronke out and usmanov to take over. I would change the manager also. Klopp in. Its time

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25 Mar 2014 22:51:03
Not posted before but I love this page. Time to have my say tho. Enough is enough. Wenger should leave. Koronke should sell up too. Usmanov and klopp to have a go. wenger should of signed a striker and dm. Why he didn't pay up for lars bender il never know

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25 Mar 2014 22:31:38
OH WOW! Words can't describe how low I feel!

Are Walcott, ozil, Ramsey, wilshere, kos and king HENRY back for Sunday?

No? Well we might as well not show up. Think that'll be more graceful than the hammering I'm envisioning

Liverpool do us a favour and win it! Can't stand nasri or mourinho lifting the trophy.

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25 Mar 2014 22:28:31
Heard a funny one from Sizemick (liverpool banter page).

Oliver Giroud has more chance scoring in the Premier Inn than the Premier League.

You got to laugh, lol.

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25 Mar 2014 22:41:30
lol lol lol lol etc

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I can't laugh about anything Dags, it is a collapse of huge proportions

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:( bit of a disaster, usual end of season implosion. now, it's scramble scramble:( ewwwww, squid :(
COYG andi

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25 Mar 2014 22:22:41
Man City go to Old Trafford and win 3-0.

We play Swansea at home and draw 2-2.

Wenger and Moyes. separated at birth?

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Old school tactics, I think fergie retired at the right time, he was being outdone by his peers, fair play he won the title and left on a high. Wenger and moyes didn't get the MEMO.

Like we are having issues replacing viera or henry, they are having the scholes, giggs conundrum. I was shocked a 40 year old giggs made united tick against olympiakos.

But the new age managers, Conte, Klopp, pep, Mourinho, Martinez, pocchetinho, Simieone, seem to have this tactical nous which the old school boys don't have.

Having watched all those teams, its easy to see that those managers do not compromise, they will not wait for one season to buy the promised GOAT. they will buy a medium fix, plug holes and improve their teams somehow.

Mourinho let mata go, put his trust in oscar, plays lampard and terry when he feels its necessary, reinvigorated Eto who is old as father time, torres looks to have a spark even if he can't score, turned Schurrle into a world class player, made hazard even better, had the nous to get Matic who has improved them drastically since jan, plays David Luiz at CB and CDM depending on opposition, I mean that's just some of the observations, but he has no problem in dropping a big name player if the teams objective is to win.

Look at bayern and you will see a similar philosophy, muller, Kroos, Thiago, Gotze, all fighting for time even robben and ribery don't start all games. just identifying the opponents strenght and your teams weakness.

while we go 11 players. ok let's go and let's play them and beat them.

Football has turned into Basketball, and the counter attack teams, know how to break, how to spread the defense, how to cut the defense and basically score.

the Barcelona Philosophy does not work, it only works as they have messi, no other reason, his goals and win % alone will quantify that. besides they have iniesta and xavi too, once that generation goes, it won't be the same.

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25 Mar 2014 22:21:56
So, the white elephant rears it's head for me for the first time. Calm discussions if possible, but is it time for Arsene to go?

Biggest fan of what he has done, built, the style of football overall, many good memories, he will always be a legend but maybe it is time for a change, even if we get fourth/ third and the FA Cup maybe he will go gracefully.

Will he know when it's time to go, and not fight it? I hope so. If we win the FA Cup, get CL, he might go out on the trophy and make it painless for us all. I hope it's amicable when the time comes. Lots of history.

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Baggins your right we can't go on like this, I think FA cup and 5th is the answer now, I never believed I would write that at Christmas.
Every season we make the CL it papers over the cracks let's face it we are light years behind city and Chelski and Liverpool have overtakenand left us for dead. Who next?

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In a word. Yes.

Hopefully after winning the FA cup but regardless of what happens I think he'l go.

However let's not forget the post Fergie era and the Moyes affect!

It WILL happen to us so careful who or what you wish for!

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SAF would titles up to the bitter end of his United career. We haven't won anything in almost a decade. We won't suffer the same effect as United.

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I think his time is up yes. I hope though he does at least go out a bit of high in winning the FA cup, a trophy of any kind is what this side needs badly a taste of victory will start to install a bit more of a winner mentality in this side. The thing is even though we are firm favourites you would still not put your mortgage on it there is still always a doubt, remember Birmingham.

Anyway Wenger has simply not adapted and up'd his own game to met the challenges of City and Chelsea in particular. Yes it is difficult fighting them with them having unlimited budgets in effect but Wenger has gradually but surely replaced title winning quality players with slightly inferior replacements as each year goes by.

Veira for example has never been replaced and can't really count Diaby as his replacement.

Not only that but the side has gone from a side which had great balance and abit of everything power and physicality aswell as technical ability, flair and pace into a team that is technically sound and good at keeping the ball but is lacking considerably in other attributes.

Out team is overloaded with small central based technical midfielders Cazorla, Ozil, Wilshire, Rosicky, Ox, Diaby, and Ramsey aswell really are all best in the central attacking midfield area. We then have one aging deep lying ball player in Arteta that we purchased about 4 years too late(His prime years are well behind him) then and one average what would you may call a DM in Flamini who works hard and shouts a lot but not much else.

Kalstrom not sure where he plays to be honest, Ok I guess. Then you are down to younger players like Gnarby and the like.

Wenger just tries to fit all these technical players in positions they are not best suited to which is to the determent to our team effectiveness as a whole. Too many ball players coming to the ball not enough runners in behind. A team Like Arsenal should NOT be missing Walcott and Ramsey as badly as they are because we should have players that can fit those roles when they are out injured. Why are they the only 2 players that give us that real threat in behind penetration, arguably Podolski aswell who Wenger does not fancy all that much.

Without being fantastic in the 2nd half you could see as soon as Podolski came on down the left and Cazorla shifted inside we were 50% Better but why wait so long.

Wenger has no tactical knowhow whatsover otherwise why do the same mistakes keep happening time and again. Wenger is perhaps a decent personal coach in developing young players and giving them confidence but in terms of preparing a 1st team as unit tactically to nullify the opposition and win games he is pretty clueless if you ask me. What gives this away is that he talks endlessly of the team spirit but nothing else no where we went wrong tactically or anything the its wooley statements that mean nothing like playing with handbrake on stuff like that.

We have gone stale and need a urgent make-over which starts with the manager. I respect Wenger as man and for what he has meant to Arsenal over the past years but I no longer rate him.

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I think we are in a bit of a hole as fans. Personally I feel we need to change because the team looks so stagnant. Wenger seems to have run out of ideas and even the staunchest Wenger supporters cannot excuse the lack of common sense this season.
For example tonight when the ox was taken off at 1-0 down……WTF! I know Podolski played a major role in our goals but what the hell were Flamini and Arteta doing that was so crucial in our attempt to win the game…. it made no sense to me. In my opinion we were fortunate to get a draw as we created nothing except the two chances we scored. Very Very lucky…… in fact we should have lost because for some reason the ref blew for full time when they were through on goal.
If a manager cannot get the players their ability motivated organised and focused at this stage of the season something has to be wrong.
Sorry on to my actual point, if Wenger goes the board will replace the manager with someone with the same philosophy. Basically someone who will meet the board’s financial goals whilst keeping the stadium full.
We need change at board level, does everyone seriously think with a different manager picked by the fat cats at the top will change that much? Why do we have so much money sitting there doing nothing? Why are ticket prices so high?
Our club has so much potential to win trophies……… we just need some serious investment in the team and we will be set for the next 20 years. Instead the board seem to be sucking the money out of the club instead of reinvesting it into the team and giving back to the fans who line their pockets.

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25 Mar 2014 22:18:17
Quote from Wenger about Chelsea game "An accident has happened, that doesn't mean that you're not a good driver." If it is the third time it has happened like it has to us this season and you appear to have learned nothing from it surely it means you are?

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If you rubbish your pants once. it is an accident.

if you rubbish your pants twice. it is concerning.

If you rubbish your pants three times. something is wrong.

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Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action

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25 Mar 2014 22:11:49
So lads, what would you take this season?

5th place and the fa cup
4th again

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We should get both the cup runs against low teams. Either way wenger should go. Even if we get 4th and fa cup

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Don't get cocky over the fa cup this is us.

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Im not getting cocky i'm just saying there's no excuse if we don't win it.

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Not you the first poster lol

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A resignation?

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25 Mar 2014 22:09:47
Anyone who thinks we need 3 players is absolutely off their head. This team is going to need like 10 players this summer! Our season collapsed when Rambo and Theo got injured so quality back ups for them are essential. Two strikers are an absolute must. Any team challenging for the title must have at least 3 top strikers. We need a top quality defensive midfielder like we have for the past 5/6 years! We need a RB, probably 2 as Sagna will leave in the summer and possibly a left back as those two are always getting injured. LB is low priority though. We need a CB, probably 2 as TV5 will probably leave. We'll need two GK's, a decent back up and a younger goalkeeper.

Absolutely shocking that the squad has been left to come to this!

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25 Mar 2014 22:04:43
That is our title hopes over, we were in such a good position early in the season but we blew it as we have done so often in the big games. What has annoyed me most the week is Wenger saying I don't know how we lost so badly at Chelsea, you think after loosing 5-1 and 6-3 to Liverpool and City he would have worked it out like the rest of us. You can't use the same tactics regardless of who you are playing, when you have Crystal Palace at home then you can play the way Wenger likes. When you go to the top four you can't have your left and right back attacking from the off especially when you don't have wingers who defend or don't instruct your wingers to defend its so basic its ridiculous. Chelsea employed two holding midfielders which neutralized us in the middle of the park the arrogance of Wenger to play the same way week and week is shocking. You also can't play on the counter with a striker as slow as Giroud who can't run with the ball, you also need wingers which we don't have with Walcott out and Gnabry just sat on the bench.

Following the 6-0 loss players should of been dropped and changes made instead the one change we made was to play the Flamini and Arteta together a partnership that has flopped every time it has been used. I don't care that Giroud scored he should of been dropped he was ineffective for most of the game, but wait who could we drop him for when we have no real cover? Sanogo who has barely played or Bendtner? Who's fault is it we've got no options upfront? Why wasn't Gnabry used we clearly need more pace in our game he was very impressive earlier in the season. It begs belief .This squad needs several additional players yet again we need a CDM in addition to Flamini, we need a right back we need another CB we need wingers and we desperately need a quality CB. Every year I find myself saying the same thing, yet it never changes, Wenger never changes and he is surprised that we loose to City and Chelsea. Our last hope is the FA Cup which we have to win.

This can't be considered progress, we might get 3rd rather than 4th in the league if we lucky. oh wow I'm over the moon. The moment Arsenal and Wenger decided that 4th was a trophy and admitted it a huge physiological mistake was made. Everyone keeps saying wait one more year give Wenger a chance he has had 8 years 10 months and 3 days as off today, how much longer does he need?
This time last year people were saying give him one more year I did he had the funds this summer and spent them poorly, his tactics haven't changed so what am I waiting for? The excuse that there is nobody who can replace him doesn't hold up there are a huge number of talented modern managers who could. And he is a football manager I don't want to hear about the financial wonders he has done yes they were impressive when needed they aren't anymore so it's a moot point. Wenger will always be a legend and I and every Arsenal and Premier League football fan owe him a huge debt of gratitude, that is why I hope either or the board show some courage and part ways at the end of the season going out with an FA Cup win and an end too 9 years without a trophy.

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Very good post

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I agree. Great post and great name, too. Heisenbergkamp

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25 Mar 2014 21:55:40
This group will never bring the prem title to the Emirates. Keystone kops. Please please don't try and tell me this is progress. What is that noise I hear coming up behind, oh its the wind everton are making and could blow us out.

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25 Mar 2014 21:44:23
You couldn't make it up, what a catalogue of errors
The man Kim looks ok, or are the rest so poor, I think we may even miss out on Europe, no fight, no heart no passion, a disgrace

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Flamini's goal was hilarious though you got to see the funnyside, ain't ya.

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Almost as funny as Rosickys screamer against the spurs

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25 Mar 2014 21:44:12
Balls 2-2 Silly own goal to conceed why did Mert not leave it for schezz, mis-communication there.

Better 2nd half at least Podolski gave us some impetous and is much better in the wide left role than Cazorla.

Leaque gone now must hold onto 4th and must win the FA cup now. Everton hot on our heels now with them coming up after Man City at Home.

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25 Mar 2014 21:41:32
Banter please ed sorry but he's got to
Go end of chat we are going to struggle for 4th end of the season he has to go 100%

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25 Mar 2014 21:38:50
2-2

Bloody woeful, guys we are paying for the smallest squad ever, it just isn't good enough.

Maybe the best thing that can happen is to finish 6th or 7th?

A wake up call one thinks

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We'll said mate we lost this in jam when he didn't sign I hope we do

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Banbury I totally understand how you feel and for quite a few years I've thought finishing 5th would be a good thing long term as then action would be taken one way or another

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25 Mar 2014 21:36:58
Another scrap for 4th Place. Great! Time's up Arsene. It has been for a few years. Walk this summer with all the thanks from the club that you deserve but we need a change!

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I think you mean 5th or 6th, with confidence SO LOW, we are in trouble

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Scrap for 4th? really i'm still thinking we could be fighting for 5th/6th at this rate

i'm nervous now and I won't lie

everton 6 pts behind with a game in hand and we got to play them

this is going to be a disaster unless something turns around sharpish

need a massive performance and massive result at the weekend

hopefully underdogs will help us but what I seen of the mancs game I feel saturday night will be dark with me and a bottle of vodka asking why wenger why lol

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25 Mar 2014 21:22:25
I guess the panics now over for you guys with pods second all rosey again wengers a tactical genius lol

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25 Mar 2014 21:16:39
2 goals in a minute from Arsenal

Podolski and Giroud

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25 Mar 2014 21:06:09
Eds can I just say, I'm loving that my derogatory remark about Mourinho (a word that rhymes with cat) was changed to penguin instead! Brilliant!

I feel we should definitely use that word all the time. Penguin is the new person!

At the moment, Arsenal are playing like a bunch of penguins. Frozen to the spot!

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25 Mar 2014 20:44:32
Hi guys and girls, it's ok, I just jumped in my time machine and went forward an hour and Arsenal have won 3-1 against Swansea so there's no need for any misery or negativity!

You're welcome!

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Greeny you couldn't predict the lottery numbers too.

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Sorry but your time machine sucks.

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We were winning 2-1 and I saw Flamini score.

I just assumed it was the right end!

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25 Mar 2014 20:43:15
Well 1-0 Down just one half chance for Swansea and they score from it good header mind he is quite a handful Bony. Lost of possesion without the penatration, pace and cutting edge we are missing Walcott and Ramsey badly. I would bring on Podolski to give more support to Giroud. Need to step it up 2nd half

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25 Mar 2014 20:42:52
Oops! .

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25 Mar 2014 20:35:03
Everton 1 up away at Newcastle to make matters worse

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Can I just say I said a few months ago Draxler or Barkley and for me it HAS to be Barkley! The boy is a genius! His goal tonight is brilliant!

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25 Mar 2014 20:05:39
here we go again worst possible start, and they don't look up for the cause, serious attitude adjustment needed

i'm hoping in vain this post will turn it around we need nothing but big performance and we've started like saturday limp and motionless :(

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I was worried before the game 74, not exactly sure what's going on

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Woeful

well a defeat against Chelsea, possibly one tonight, one on Saturday against City and another followed at Everton, we could be looking at 6th place if we ain't careful.

This is the problem there is no fear amongst the players .

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No fighters. all technical players who have the mental strength of a 5 year old.

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They aren't good enough, are we blind. Poor.

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The blame has to surely lay at Wengers door. I hate the penguin but Mourinho is a master at creating that unbeatable killer instinct attitude that gets the job done (as we found out to our cost on Saturday!)

Wenger and his team should send these players out playing like giants not hobbits!

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LAKER

You are quite correct, as we said the other day, we have too many tip tappy players, it is great when things are going well but when it comes to a battle we haven't got it

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I think we're doing our best impression of going err shouldn't we be lower down fighting for 4th not in 4th impression

this is becoming criminal some of the individual performances

ha typing this and podolski and giroud score so maybe my rant is working :)

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25 Mar 2014 18:50:36
The season ends and Arsene decides to call it a day.
The club approach Klopp but he wants to stay with Dortmund, they turn to Martinez but he's happy at Everton.
Not wanting to waste the summer the club decide to follow the Liverpool example and appoint a man who 2 years ago was neck and next with Brendan Rogers as the PL best young manger Paul Lambert.

Do you
A immediately start the bring back Arsene campaign
B dig a very deep whole and retreat to it with 50 cases of beer
C decide you always wanted to win master chef and take up cooking
D back the new manager and hope for the best but by a Jamie Oliver book just in case
Or
E something else

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Currently i'd throw the biggest party i've ever seen

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Would have to be the hole with 50 cases of beer for me.

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Id hire a hitman and get each arsenal board member taken out, every week that lambert is in charge.

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25 Mar 2014 18:23:24
Anyway we have swansea tonight. Not a lot of posting on that yet. Cum on you gunners.

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They are definitely cumming. i'm not sure if they can do anything different

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25 Mar 2014 17:57:29
rockyv no I wouldn't like to everything to be arsenal you are the same as spurs AVERAGE we never win anything same as you we get hammered by the big 3 same as you you finish 4th every year we finish 5th that's the only diffrence the way you talk you think you are barcelona get REAL

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25 Mar 2014 17:15:47
Whether its Arsene or a new manager they need to be given £125 million and told to sign 5 players no more and NO LESS.

5 new players costing an average of £25 million each to add to the best of what we already have, we wouldn't be far from top next season that's for sure.
We are all ready a very good side and with some very good additions we could compete at every level home or away.

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Any "available to spend" figures you've heard include salaries, so £125m wouldn't buy 5 £25m players.
A player signed on 150k a week would cost £39m in salary over 5 years so you'd be looking at 3 players in that price bracket v budget

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Mate I think your right we need a top quality striker, maybe two.i get pissed of at the amount of injuries we get.i not pretending to be in the know .
I just get upset when people come on here say, playing a weakend team, or wenger out
We are 4th in the league
semi finale of the f a cup
Some good young kids comming threw.
I think Wenger wants to win every game.Do people think jurgen klopp is a better manager then wenger, I don't think so personaly, I don't think his records stand up against wengers.
The one thing I think we all want is to improve and have some good days out at wembley,
We can't match the spending of man city /chelsae because we haven't got that sot of backer.
But do people not think that if wenger went he would not walk into a top job, probly a bigger club then ours .
ive been a fan for 42 years, I can't go to a lot of games like I would like to.and I respect the fans that work hard and scrape together the money each week,
Cheers

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25 Mar 2014 16:23:42
i watched the arsene who story and I think the reason you have been poor over the last few years is because david dein is no longer there he was a big factor in your success he knew the top players and he had a brilliant relationship with wenger which you don't see at other big clubs the best thing you could do is get him back there I wish he was chairman at spurs

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You probably would like everything about us to be spurs

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25 Mar 2014 15:59:06
Personally it won't happen but this summer I would have a big cull. I have had my say on the manager so won't gothere. First get fab signed on and sell shez. Reason I've been impressed with fab and there is nothing between them and we could get 8m ish for shez. Sell monreal 8m. Let sagna go. Sell arteta 5mil. Sell podolski 10m. Cazorla 20mil. Vermalen 5mil. Wiltshire 20mil. Giroud 10m. 80mil there add it to the tranfer budget. Go for valdes or casllas on free. Sign a left back personally i'd get cole on free and luke shaw 15 mil. A right back richards 8m. Big mobile holding mid 25mil like bender. Draxler 35m. Balotelli 25mil. Remy 10 mil. It would probably cost us 40mil but we would be quicker and stronger and a better goal threat.

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Thank God you're not in charge

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Football Manager 2014 it is not!

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Really don't agree with selling verm, wilshere, Santi and shez, all top quality players.

We need a few additions, back up GK, right back is Sagna goes, Sven/Lars bender, Draxler, and a striker.

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I like monreal as a backup LB.

Selling players we must not do.

Cazorla, Podolski, Vermalen, Arteta, Giroud give us depth.

Sczesny is our main keeper a backup keeper will be bought or loaned in.

DM, RB, Striker, some young prospects and we should be ok going into next year.

The key being, the DM & Striker should be world class, and the RB needs to be defensively strong if not attacking.

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Akie my reasons for getting rid of shez is purely the other two keepers were experienced. I feel wiltshire is not strong enough or quick and alway injured. Cazorla technically brilliant but weak and lacks pace and we are not strong enough for him and ozil. Vermalen is in limbo with the team and doesn't seem to be pressing the other two. Ramsey ozil and a bender type person in the middle would be my preference. With the ox and a youngster fighting them for places with flamini.

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Cazorla, arteta, podolski, monreal and vermalen are either to slow to weak or both if we want to win again.

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You'd get rid of Cazorla.

Put the pipe down son.

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For me if you read Cazorla can not play in the same team as ozil he gets pushed out on the left. He ain't no winger. He ain't quick we ain't that good there is no player in this team that is irreplaceable. I would have Draxler in his place or di maria or reus any day of the week.

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25 Mar 2014 15:36:51
Personally, it won't happen and I won't get into the manager debate as I have already done that, but first I would have a big cull again this year. Goalkeeper, for me not a lot to choose between them but if I could persuade him to stay I would keep fab and sell shez which would raise money 8 to 10 mil. I've personally been impressed with fab this year. Sell one of the left back, monreal 8m. Let sagna go. Sell arteta 5mil. Sell

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Ignore this post read above post pressed wrong button halfway through.

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25 Mar 2014 14:40:38
These picks are my preferences. I do think it's very unrealistic but still possible considering if Podolski, Jenkinson, and Fab leave. It's obvious that we need a striker, defensive midfielder, and pacey winger. Now, if Podolski, Jenkinson, and Fab leave (assuming Sagna stays with us), we would need to acquire a great RB, a keeper, and a pacey winger, my pick being Greizmann. Even Campbell can be an option. Yes, it's unrealistic though these are MY choices; do I see Wenger going for 6 players? No. Personally, I see him going for 4. I have high hopes for this summer.

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25 Mar 2014 13:50:07
I would just like to add my two cents. If you look at the top teams in Europe i.e. The teams still left in the champions league they all seem to have 1 thing in common.

Apart from having an out and out goalscorer and with the exception of Man United, each team has at least one top class defensive midfielder:

Athletico Madrid = Mario Saurez

Real Madrid = Xavi Alonso, Illarramendi and Khedeira.

Barcelona = Busquest and Song?

Bayern Munich = Lahm, Javi Martinez, Schweinsteiger.

Dortmund = Bender, Gundogan, Kehl.

PSG = Motta and Matuidi

and lastly Chelsea, who recognised the importance of this position to the extent of investing £21 million on a player they had previously sold in Matic, having already Obi Mikel, David Luiz and Maybe Lampard who could play there.

The game nowadays means this has become a Key position. A good DM can allow the better technical players the freedom to play without to much responsibility to defend, they will protect against the counter and add tempo to the attack.

So. the point for us being that a class striker is obviously a must for us, but this position must not be neglected. Currently we have a 31 yr old slow Arteta (who is not a natural DM) and a free transfer. These are stop gaps, squad players at a push! Quality in this area would most definitely see an immediate improvement in how we defend and attack against the top teams.

The worrying fact is that we can all see the holes in our team but unfortunately the club seems blind to them.

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Agree that Arteta is simply not up to the job as DM against any decent opposition. I think Flamini is a decent enough DM although like you say not a long term solution really.

I think one of our main issues is the lack of width in midfield putting too much onus on our fullbacks to attack all the time. We get caught out a lot because teams know both our fullbacks push up together and when you have not got good control of the ball in midfield with passing options that is suicide then when you lose the ball in midfield. Chelsea really targeted Arteta and pressed up hard at every opportunity knowing if they thye either won the ball of him or forced a misplaced pass from him they would expose our two CB'S knowing that more often than not both fullbacks are caught downfield and can't get back in time.

Generally as a rule only one fullback should be attacking at one time when the focus is on his side left or right, when the play swithces to the other side the fullback thta was attacking should drop back to make 3 covering at the back but both our fullbacks are illdisiplined to do this as they are so programmed to attack.

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It has been known for a few years that we needed a DM, we needed a DM when song was the DM.

Wenger wanted to have a more open play type of player as he saw a more technical DM, in the mould of Busquets as the future, however busquets works for barcelona, we are not barcelona.

we can barely keep the ball when we are under pressure.

The team has to be reconditioned in my opinion.

We need a new RB, defensively strong, and key with his crosses, sagna does this but he is on the wrong end of the age scale and its best we let him go and buy a replacement now.

If we are looking at Lars bender than he should be the immediate fix to our issues. 1 holding DM is sufficient but he has to be quality.

our midfield should have ramsey or wilshere sitting with the DM but moving forward aswell.

Now the crisis of Ozil, Cazorla, Ox, Gnabry, Walcott arises.

For me Ozil should be sold. and Alexis Sanchez/Di maria/ Reus / draxler are the players we need on the wing.

and up front we need a clinical striker.

new RB/Jenks - Per- Kos - Gibbs/monreal

Lars bender & Ramsey

Walcott - Wilshere - new winger

new striker.

Ozil gives up depth in a position we are well covered, and if we are not going to buy a world class striker to utilize his talents, we might as well sell him and buy the striker we needed in the first place.

obviously arsenal are not selling ozil, but its a moot point.

we sold fabregas and did not replace him, we then sold van persie and did not replace him. now we have replaced fabregas but we have not replaced van persie. same old story.

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Sven bender could be an option

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Laker

Did you think Robert Pires should have been sold after his first season?

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Ozil is class have no doubt rocky. but pires had henry and viera. if wenger is going to give ozil, giroud as his target, might as well sell him, because giroud is not going to utilize anything ozil has to offer.

might as well save a world class players career, if we want to go with second class players.

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25 Mar 2014 12:05:28
I wonder if Arsenal has any interest in Lukaku, or If chelsea will not consider any offers from EPL teams.

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25 Mar 2014 10:51:27
Nice quote in one of the tabloids today.

Wenger should concentrate on the team sheet rather than the balance sheet.

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Have they just twigged, we've been saying that for years.

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25 Mar 2014 09:13:48
Should as I think is likely Arsene call it a day this season replacing him might be a bit more difficult than some seem to think.

Firstly be it Klop or whoever they have to want to come,
Then have agree their personal financial side of things
Then manager and club agree on how things will be done
Then agree on how much will be made available for new players and how high wages are we prepared to pay.

Will the club really throw caution to the wind after all these years and pay what it costs regardles! I'm not saying It can't happen just its far from set in stone who will replace Wenger, this is real life and not a FIFA or fantasy football .

We may not get our preferred choices if and when the time comes, we may well be looking around for a while and end up with some one not every one is happy about.

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Sometimes you just have to take a chance mate.

When we first signed Wenger, people were saying "Arsene who".

The rest, as they say, is history.

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Manager is not the problem, his policy is the problem.

Buying Ozil lifted our spirts, but in January, going for kalou? good he turned us down, but is that the sort of target we should be going for?

barcelona have messi & neymar

Real have Ronaldo, Benzema and Bale

Bayern have Muller, Ribery, Robben, Mandzukic ( next year lewandowski)

Juventus have Tevez, Llorente, giovinco, osvaldo

Milan have Balotelli

Fiorentina have Rossi

Napoli have Higuain

Dotmund have Reus, Lewandowski ( Adrian Ramos next season) Aumebayang.

Man utd have Van p*ssy and rooney, hernandez and welbeck

City have Negredo, Dzeko, Aguero

Everton have Lukaku

Swansea have Bony and Michu

Liverpool have Sturridge and Suarez

Spurs have Adebayor ( give him his credit) and the misfiring soldado

Jay Rodriguez, Remy, have had better seasons missing some games

and We have Giroud. I really don't rate his goal scoring prowess, he can hold up the ball, but andy caroll and crouch do it better if that is the aim.

He has missed soo many sitters its embarrassing to watch. Had he scored against chelsea it would be a different game, but it was unlikely he would score with that weak shot.

If wenger buys a backup to giroud, next season is over before it begins. he cannot be our main striker, I do not see any match winning capability in him. maybe against hull and crystal palace, but those games we could win with 10 midfielders, not to take anything away from those sides.

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David Dein got Wenger in to replace Rioch and Dein was a football nut and a passionate Arsenal man. Who are we going to get with Ivan 'bean counter' Gazidis and Sir Chips 'genial old buffer' Keswick doing the choosing?

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We are getting moyes aren't we. knowing our luck.

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25 Mar 2014 08:08:00
It comes as no surprise that we have another muscle injury and to a player that has been overplayed. Wenger should have rotated Vermaelen with the two centre backs throughout the season and we should have had a 4th centre back. Mark my words, one of the two remaining centre backs will get injured before the end of the season and we will end up playing Sagna at centre back & bring in the under-achieving Jenkinson at right back. Next season we could end up with only 4 defenders - Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gibbs & Monreal (who ideally needs replacing, simply not rapid enough for the PL). We may need 2 RB's, if Sagna departs and Jenkinson goes on loan. We could need 2 CB's if Vermaelen departs.
We currently have half a team out injured, which highlights the weaknesses in the squad. We simply must win tonight, failing which even 4th place could come under pressure. Wenger is obviously departing, he is signing the players that he can on long contracts to give the new manager a strong base. I wish he would just be honest and confirm his departure.

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I agree that Arsene overplays certain players, but you never break up your center back partnerships. Central defenders do far less work than midfielders (yes even ours). He overplayed Ramsey and it cost us and he has in the past over played wilshere to his and our detriment. I expect Sagna to partner Per tonight. He is a better center back than Vermaelen. I think Jenks is a very good player but it will take him a run of 4 or 5 games to get up to speed and that is time we can't really afford. It is Bellerins inclusion that has made me think this way. Bellerins development has been very good this season and I will wager that he will save us 15 million in the transfer market in the summer.

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You have to rotate your centre backs as they cannot play an entire season without injury or fatigue. The problem this season is that we only have 3 centre backs and even then no rotation, unless it has been forced by injury or suspension. The defence tonight, I believe, will be: Sagna, Mertesacker, Vermaelen & Gibbs. Possibly Fabianski in goal.

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Robbie
if you rotate and loose the same doom and gloom merchants would be here saying why is he playing a weakend side.
fact, Lord wenger knows a lot more then I think all of us,
I don't think he wants to loose a game ever only a complete fool would think that, but unfortanaly I think we have a few on here.
Still I hope we can all unite and hopefully have a touch of silver this year.

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25 Mar 2014 04:54:49
Out:
Bendtner
Podolski
Fabianski
Park
Djourou
Jenkinson (loan to PL team)

In:
Bender £25
Greizmann £25
*right back* > £15
*center back* > £8
*keeper* > £5
*striker* > £30

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So, we are going to spend £108 on the above?

Wow, yes please, cheap as chips, lol.

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It's never been wengers fortè to sign 6 players in one window, don't think he will start now, look at the and what they did last year.

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If Wenger is still at the helm next season, I believe he will only sign: a keeper on a free, bringing young Martinez through as third choice. The free may be Victor Valdes.
Assuming Sagna leaves, I have a feeling Wenger will bring through Jenkinson, with Bellerin as cover. He will try & keep Vermaelen as cover for CB, if he goes expect a replacement. The only other purchases will be 1 or 2 forwards, depending on whether Giroud stays.
So 3 or 4 signings at best with a likely net outlay of £30m max. Wenger will not change and the squad will be short of quality back up.

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Bendtner, Fabianski, Sagna leave and he will buy a backup striker, and a winger and roll into the next season, thinking we are better.

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