Arsenal Banter Archive June 06 2016

06 Jun 2016 23:42:35
My take on vardy is, if he decides to stay at Leicester then that is a massive put down for this club and its perceived ambition and how others look at it. Yes you can say he is loyal but for me a footballer wants to play as high as he can. Will he say to himself i'm at a better club in Leicester, they have just won the league. Or will he say my next step is arsenal. Kick in the knackers for me if he doesn't move and an even bigger one for wenger. Not many player's turn down the chance to move for betterment, is arsenal better?
I still think he will join though.

07 Jun 2016 00:12:55
Steve,

As fan's, we constantly slag off player's for not showing loyalty.

RVP, has, and still, get's slaughtered on this site, for not showing any loyalty to Arsenal, and walking out to join Utd.

Yet you slag off Vardy for (possibly) showing loyalty to Leicester?

07 Jun 2016 02:34:27
Not slagging vardy for showing loyalty dags, i'm saying if he doesn't come to arsenal it hasn't got anything to do with loyalty, its about him not thinking its a better move for him because he's leaving a prem winning team to come to perrenial not winning prem team. Apparently he's given the impression he wanted to come until leicester offered more money. So for me its not about loyalty, its about him not thinking its a better move. I won't slag vardy for staying, that's not an issue. But like I saidI still think he wwill come.

07 Jun 2016 02:37:14
Oh and I never slagged rvp either, he left for a good reason. I never slagged cole for same reason, i never slagged fabrigas, for me loyalty is not an issue if a player can better himself.

07 Jun 2016 05:48:09
Him staying at Leicester doesn't make them a bigger club than us. His dilemma is what if Leicester can repeat what they've achieved by staying or what if he stays and it all goes pear-shaped.

07 Jun 2016 07:15:17
I really can't agree with you there Steve . How can you say that he would only stay because he thought Leicester were bigger or better. Yes I do agree it would be a kick in the balls but I hope he stays where he is.

07 Jun 2016 07:32:55
If he turns us down to stay at Leicester no way is that an insult but if he turned us down for Spurs or Hamilton Athletic that would be jolly upsetting.
We no doubt have other realistic targets and we should start negotiating those if it's true what's being reported Vardy hasn't met the agreed time scale for an answer.

07 Jun 2016 09:19:41
Steve,
Was only kidding mate.
It's a toughie for Vardy to be fair.
I'm sure there's more to it that us mere mortal's ever see.

07 Jun 2016 13:37:51
Sano my point is are we going to win the league in the next four years and does he think we are, would he stall for say man city or does he decide, I've won the league at leicester, i'm comfortable, do I want to risk all for top four. i'm not confident we are ambitious enough that we want to win the league or are capable, is he. Leicester for him might be bigger because he has actually won the league there. Are we that big a pull for him, that's what I meant. If not, why.

07 Jun 2016 16:56:16
Perhaps we are over thinking this. Maybe Vardy's main consideration is virtually the same as everybody else who works for a living, in that are you happy where you work and live, and if the answer is yes, what would it take to make you change? I don't think its a decision most would make quickly.

06 Jun 2016 19:55:34
Hi Gunners : Celtic fan here in peace . I see a few on the site want a CB, well the very player u need is at Southampton, and he is Van Dyke absolute class player and fits gunners style . I said it when he left Celtic for only£10m it was a bargain and think that has been proven as he was POTY for them last season . How much would you pay for a top class CB now in world footy £30-40m you would get him for less than that . Just my thoughts,

{Ed025's Note - i think you may be right cprs, a lot of fans on here were hoping that when he left celtic he was bound for the emirates mate, sadly that did not come to pass but as you say he has proved that he is certainly up to the task..

06 Jun 2016 20:28:39
Hi cprs,
I remember you popped over here about a year ago and said the same thing.

You were correct than, as you are now.

Would have loved him at Arsenal.

06 Jun 2016 22:15:18
I said that before he left you boys, I'd seem him play at Celtic Park a few times when up the road, the boy has everything to be one of the very best in the world in my opinion, pace strength on the ball with just the right amount of aggression to win the ball without constantly being a red card risk and I haven't seen a ball playing cd like him for a good few years.

06 Jun 2016 15:58:45
So no news as yet from Vardy on him future, where ever it may be. Its itchy bum time for me as I think he will be the best striker we have had in some years now.

Just got this horrible feeling that his heart is going to make him choose Leceister and if he does fair play to the guy, nice to see some loyalty. Still we need a 20+ a season goal scorer so sign damn you Vardy!

06 Jun 2016 16:22:50
I've got that same feeling that he's going to stay where he is, hope I'm wrong.

06 Jun 2016 16:54:47
Don't worry lads.

Me and the boys paid him a visit.

It's in the bag. Bit like Vardy, but can't disclose too much info, police could be watching.

Dags has sorted it.

Now, where's my cable ties.

06 Jun 2016 16:59:19
yeah I am so anxiouse at the moment I am doing housework ARRRGGGHHHH!

Keep flicking back to the sport pages and here inbetween jobs, but nothing. Vardy put us out our misery.

06 Jun 2016 18:37:49
Doesn't look good IMO, he's obviously torn between being happy at Leicester who are willing to match our wage offer and knowing the chance to play for a big club might not come round again.
What's the old saying, if in doubt do nowt?

06 Jun 2016 18:55:08
I wouldn't get too carried away lads after all this is the same Vardy that hit 5 goals in the prem the season before! If we do get him let's see how he does :-)

06 Jun 2016 19:04:04
Gut feel only with nothing to back this up but I think the decision has been made and Leicester would be shouting from the rooftops if he was staying
Based on that it's only waiting to be announced.
Fingers crossed, always trust ya gut except after a curry!

06 Jun 2016 19:18:06
To be fair Mr Gooner that was his first season in the premier league after coming from the conference via a few lower not league divisions, afte only one warm up season he soon got the hang of things didn't he :-)

06 Jun 2016 10:18:59
Hi eds! i'm wondering why we go for Vardy and not Zlatan! For me Zlatan would be a statement of ambition and most certainly take Arsenal to the next level! Either of them are longterm solutions and Ibra suits our style of play in 8 out of 10 matches so why Vardy?

06 Jun 2016 11:13:02
Zlatan won't be the success at Utd that everyone thinks.

He's 34, moving to possibly the most frantic League in world football and will only be used sparingly by Mourinho.

Vardy is by far the better option.

06 Jun 2016 12:24:24
Whilst I think you're right dags. Would we be saying this if we signed him.

06 Jun 2016 12:33:44
D16,
I think he would be a better fit at Arsenal as I think he would be our main striker.

I think at Utd he would play a lesser role, so as to not hinder the progress of Rashford.

Don't get me wrong, he's quality, wherever he goes, but prefer Vardy, mainly because of age.

06 Jun 2016 13:12:00
Vardy has at least proved he can cope with the prem, ibra probably will but until we see ( remember falcao ) it is still a small question mark as well as he's nearly 35, so won't be getting better. Would have either tho, but ibra will probably cost more for one year than vardy for three, rumoured he want 500,000 a week, ouch!

06 Jun 2016 13:41:41
Besides the increased skill/ finishing level, would Ibra bring a great deal to our game?

I get that he is better than Giroud, but Giroud is unselfish and helps the team in a lot of ways that Ibra wouldn't as he is very selfish. In terms of pace, they are probably similar as well.

Whilst I don't personally feel like Vardy is the answer to our problems, he offers more in different ways than Ibra does.

I just hope these 2 strikers aren't the limit of our ambitions. I would have loved this type of intent to be shown for Aubamayang or Lacazette.

06 Jun 2016 13:56:46
Dags/ Steve
I'm not a Vardy fan but I would choose him over the over paid swede.
But I won't a young hungry striker to come in, like Morata. Let the leagues best hurdler go to west ham.

06 Jun 2016 14:06:17
you must be joking if you think zlatan is going to play second fiddle. he will play all the big important matches and anything less to him will be not deserving of zlatan.

06 Jun 2016 16:11:28
I agree laker. I don't think zlatan would sit quietly by if not played, and if a 1 yr contract would surely be really disruptive. Jose would know that. Plus man u can't be messing around next season and will want quick results.

I wouldn't want him at arsenal though. A big part of the reason I support the club is that AW has more class than to employ players with huge egos bigger than the team, or the costa types, regardless of how good they are. I know some like the pantomime villains, but not for me. As idiotic as it sounds, I'd much rather come second trying with Danny/ Olly/ vardy leading the line. Players I want to support.

I don't know why man u don't go for bentner instead though.

06 Jun 2016 17:08:50
When Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone he had 3 missed calls from ZLATAN.

06 Jun 2016 17:50:14
Jim goon,
Viera, keown, Admas, lehmann?

06 Jun 2016 17:58:41
Love it Herbie.

Evening Chris.

06 Jun 2016 18:00:24
If you follow Ibra you know age, prem and selfishness isn't a problem! His record speaks for itself, getting bether every season an would probably dominate prem for atleast 2 seasons.
Again suits our style of play!

06 Jun 2016 18:10:56
Evening Malaga opps I mean dags.

06 Jun 2016 18:32:30
Ctr, physical/ aggressive is fine. Confident is fine. Desirable/ necessary even. Like most, I much prefer football as an honest contact sport rather than technical fouls, diving etc.

I just never saw/ realised any of them claimed such individual importance like zlat, or got physical (dirty) one minute, then roll around trying to get other players sent off like Costa.

I'll defer to your knowledge though CTR. If they did, i really didn't realise and think it detracts from the team.

At the minute, there's not a player at AFC who i'm not 100% behind, even when mertesacker is caught napping on the halfway line. ;) Its just there are some I'm 110% behind.

06 Jun 2016 18:54:59
Jimmy / Laker
He will be on the bench counting his money. He will make fat boy look quick.
Mind you if Vardy doesn't pull his finger out, tell him the ship has sailed.
We are to big a club to be held by what could be a one season wonder.
Chew chew all aboard.

06 Jun 2016 21:09:43
FALCAO. Beware.

06 Jun 2016 10:06:28
While I am very mixed about Vardy, I have to sympathise with Wenger. We really don't give the guy a break.

If we had spent 50mln on Morata for example.

For every "classs signing, great stuff", we would have other responses that said:
"We need ready made, proven striker, with experience in the league. Morata is yet another potential"

What does Wenger have to do to get some credit:

As it stands he has been having the best window. Early signings, before the Euros, in key positions.

We wanted a DM, he has bought one of the best young prospects in Europe.

We wanted a striker, he has bought a player, who is ready-made, has the fight and mental grit to win a championship, has scored a ton of goals.

06 Jun 2016 10:34:52
Nail on the head mate.

He's never going to please everyone, our fan base is some of the most divided I've ever seen, I'm guilty of that myself.

For years now, I've wanted us to sign a good striker, Aubameyang, Higuian, Suarez, Lewandowski, hell, this even stretches back to when Huntelaar was hot property, 'I wanted us to sign him from Ajax, then Madrid and then Milan (I finally gave up at Schalke) and now we've apparently got one, I've mixed feelings, my mind is like a spoilt child getting the wrong colour phone.

I've got the thing I wanted, just not the one I wanted.

And as you say, this is basically already shaping to be our best window in recent memory.

We're being proactive, signing players we need, that add to our dynamic and give us other options.

Wenger said he wanted 'maybe three' signings, if you believe the rumours, it's going to be closer to 47.

But we all know that if we sign players early, even if we sign 3, 4, 5 quality ones, people will be moaning we aren't moving on deadline day, or that we wasted half a window with no signings, or why did we pay X amount for say, Mkhitaryan when X more would of got us Mahrez.

We could sign Messi and half of us would moan it's not Ronaldo.

If we continue the current trend in the window, Wenger gets a free pass from me this season.
Because for the first time in a while, I can look at it and think we've really tried here, we've not just signed one or two good players and continued our ways.
Arsene's realised our flaws and is actively changing things.

06 Jun 2016 10:46:13
Couldn't agree more Billy, "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't" springs to mind.

Vardy could be a massive success ala Ian Wright but he could also flop, we need to give him a chance. He scored 24 goals last season so he's got the grit as you mentioned, who's to say morata would do any better.

It seems that Wenger has well and truly burnt his bridges with many arsenal fans and they aren't will to give some credit where it's due, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

If we spent all our £150m transfer budget on Messi people would still moan that he didn't address the other problem areas, it's a no win situation.

I'm very happy if we get vardy he seems like a complete sc*mbag instead of the nicey nice players we have at the moment who seem happy to pull out of a 50/ 50 challenge and buckle under the slightest bit of pressure. How many important goals did vardy get last year when the pressure was on, he's exactly what we need.

If reports are true and we are now after Mahrez then we will have a formidable team next year, but alas it still won't be enough for some fan's, it never is.

06 Jun 2016 10:50:13
Some of the stuff posted is unreal, Morata is in the same situation as Welbeck, has all the attributes but is he really going to turn into something special. Let's gamble?

Meantime Vardy has cut the mustard in the premier league and for England when the jacket potato hasn't cluttered up the team, who cares if he has one good year then plays second fiddle to the striker that replaces Giroud next year when we could potentially be defending the title with our brand new manager after Wenger has left.

You couldn't make up some of the whinging that goes on.

06 Jun 2016 10:58:18
Totally agree with you mate.

We need to accept that if everyone on this site made a dream XI, it would vary quite a bit.

"Hummels or Thaigo silva. etc. "

I think we need to go back to common sense and not get sucked into the Media nonsense rumour-mill.

Questions to ask yourself:
1. Does this help to solve a positonal problem in the squad?

2. Does the player add depth to the squad?

3. Is this player an improvement on the current 'starter' in this position?

4. Did we pay the right fee?

To be honest. for Vardy I think these are all yes.

Xhaka, first 3 yes, 4th maybe. (time will tell) .

06 Jun 2016 11:16:57
To be fair,
I don't think anybody has slagged Wenger off yet.

Mind you, it's only Monday morning.

06 Jun 2016 13:15:08
Jacket potato! Good one stoner . Anyone got other good-related nicknames for players?

06 Jun 2016 14:00:04
Walcot
Englands best hurdler.

06 Jun 2016 14:28:30
Quote of the day from D! "We could sign Messi and half of us would moan it's not Ronaldo. "

06 Jun 2016 17:53:03
Stoner, Rooney was top goalscorer for England in the qualification campaign. But hey in that game he did play he only scored so I agree he's clearly clogging up the team.

U can't make up some of the silly comments on here, I would suggest when will we see the famous "I'd rather Vardy over Zlatan" but read above.