Arsenal Banter Archive July 31 2016

 

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31 Jul 2016 22:55:31
Benteke, 25 years of age and a decent scoring rate, wouldn't be a bad option. I am not convinced that Laczette or Icardi are superior and will cost more. I would love to see Wenger go in for Stones, who would be a perfect fit and Mahrez. To go towards funding the deals, sell Ox, Walcott and Campbell.

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31 Jul 2016 23:36:11
Keep ox sell the other 2.

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31 Jul 2016 23:39:54
Happy for Ox and Joel to go

Keep Theo as a plan b - pace scares people.

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31 Jul 2016 23:53:54
For me Benteke is a poor man's Giroud, extremely over rated, but! Would he hurt us to have? No
Are there many many better and cheaper alternatives to Olly? Yes
Sorry it's a no from me Simon:-)

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01 Aug 2016 00:48:59
Just hit the red buzzer on that one.

Got there before Alesha Dixon :-)

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01 Aug 2016 00:58:02
Mario Gomez would be better if we were bargin binnin it.

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01 Aug 2016 08:26:45
Sy4 are you serious, Walcott is pony and is probably more wages then Campbell and ox put together.

RG69,same to you Benteke? Please he is not an upgrade on Giroud.

There are plenty of players that would improve us.

Imo these are players we should be looking at.

Brady
Van djik
Dann
Williams

Much rather a cb with prem experience rather then the opverated musftia (spelling)

If we do need a left back, if gibbs is going then Brady is a better option Rodriguez, and is excellent at corners

As for striker, this is a lot more tricky. We need a quick and world class finisher but they are in short supply.
Shane long would be better then Benteke though as he is different to Giroud but would of course prefer lazzarte.

I don't think we need marez although he is a great player as I think Rene will be ready this season. Unless we buy marez and move sanchez to cf which could work.

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01 Aug 2016 08:50:38
Spanner I'm not sure where to start. Scott Dan? Should be thinking better than that. Mustafi is certainly not over rated. Mahrez how can we not need him that will improve us immensely. A team wanting to win the league for me should not be thinking of dann, Brady and long.

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01 Aug 2016 14:10:34
I've got to agree with D16 here. Scott Dann would not improve our team at all. Mahrez could even be the signing of the summer if we got him. Mustafi is a proven German international. Lacazette imo would be a good signing, however, i believe someone like sturridge would be a even better one. We need quality mate.

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01 Aug 2016 14:34:20
Why does everyone want to fill the squad full of over hyped over rated players. Is that our problem we have now and some want to add more.

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31 Jul 2016 21:53:55
I love this site but it's proper doing my head in at the moment guys. Can we please change the subject do I don't kill myself 👍🏻.

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31 Jul 2016 22:03:30
The golf is good at the minute.

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31 Jul 2016 22:07:17
Sanogo,
You got to roll with the punches mate :-)

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31 Jul 2016 22:16:55
Sanogo, I came into this window with a positive outlook.
We signed Xhaka and it got even more so.
Then nothing and I've fallen into this pit of despair, misery and moaning.

However, for reasons I'll keep to myself.
I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and bet you.
Wenger madness incoming. potentially.

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31 Jul 2016 22:27:26
SLB,

Mate, you can only really laugh at the high fiving, misery loving, the world is about to end posters.

For a minute I thought Dags had gone under but then realised the world he has been welcomed too was actually one where you said one thing but meant something completely different so in fact he's still on the bright side. 😂😂😂😂

The latest one to keep the doom going is that Wengers going to sign a new contract so the light at the end of the tunnel has been well and truly switched off! 😱😉.

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31 Jul 2016 23:16:45
Spot on Red Dog :-)

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31 Jul 2016 23:30:33
I understand people's frustrations and that's fine but how many times a day do they have to say the same thing over and over! I get it loud and clear now can we move on please. I thought the main ingredient that makes football special is hope and belief. It almost seams as if people realise challenging for the tittle is miles away so they find comfort in 'I told you so' look at me I know the game of football and how Arsenal should be managed! If I give you all a round of applause will you please stop. This site has turned into a one way whinge fest and God forbid anyone who looks for positives they get called naive or accused of burying their head in the sand like been positive is as bad as been a Rangers supporter. Cut it which ever way you will but we finished second and yes you can say United, city and Chelsea had a crap year but they are still worse off. I've checked their sites and apart from the odd post they ain't pissing and moaning half as bad as most on here! And as for golf, it's a waste of a good walk.

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01 Aug 2016 00:52:23
Sanogo,
We are all temporarily clones of 'Steve'.

I'm going to have a spoonful of Lacazette, washed down with a bottle of Mahrez.

Instant cure Doc :-)

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01 Aug 2016 01:29:29
The discontent stems from the fact the club has the ability and money to kick on but lacks the desire, if we had spent some money in the right way last season we would more than likely have won the league, and last season wasn't even the first time we've thrown away a fantastic chance just because the board and Wenger are too bloody tight to spend a few quid!
And to top it off we're charged more than anyone to watch this perpetual groundhog day!
So I'm sorry but we won't all be content with this 4th place trophy nonsense, and I'm pretty sure the people who are will be crying loudest when we do drop out of the top 4 and believe me at this rate it's coming sooner rather than later.

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01 Aug 2016 08:29:49
Spot on JPSA.

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31 Jul 2016 21:50:40
Jonny bloody evans, who do these journalists think we are. Sy i'm being positive, not until the earth dries over, will we get jonny bloody evns. Jonny evans, come on, what sort of a rumour is that.

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31 Jul 2016 22:09:52
Ahoy made me smile Steve.

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31 Jul 2016 22:10:13
You made me smile Steve :)

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31 Jul 2016 22:18:18
Reports coming out of sky tonight that Arsenal are close to signing Chris Evans from the one show lol.

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31 Jul 2016 22:26:01
Lee Evans.

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31 Jul 2016 22:49:04
Ched evans.

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31 Jul 2016 19:52:01
Banbury,

"Dags, top 4 is the minimum we should aim for".

That's the problem mate.

When Usain Bolt runs, does he think "must get in top 3".
Nope, it's first or nothing because he's a winner.

When Lewis Hamilton is on the grid, does he think "I must finish in top 3 to get on podium".
Nope, he aims for finishing first, every time.

Who's fault is it?
Wenger?
Gazidis?
Kroenke?
Usmanov?

Or all collectively?

One of the above needs to change things, or leave.

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31 Jul 2016 20:03:57
For me - leave Wenger as he has shown in the early years he spends money, wins, can cut players ( petit / paddy / overnars / hleb ) when needed
I believe that man is still there but just doesn't have the resource.

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31 Jul 2016 20:03:57
The first three I think

We have NO winners.

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31 Jul 2016 20:11:24
SY

When those players were purchased he had DD with him.

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31 Jul 2016 20:21:02
Sy with all due respect I admire your allegiance but you are naive.

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31 Jul 2016 20:21:44
True but I was talking about selling at the right time

DD never had to compete with money bags Cheksea and City etc

Wasn't DD there with GG also.

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31 Jul 2016 20:26:34
The board are happy with Arsene or they wouldn't keep giving him contracts and he is happy with the board or he wouldn't keep accepting them.
Its no good everyone being like the referendum leave campaign where they were all happy to ride on the bus with the £360 million a day slogan on the side then trying desperately to distance themselves from it once it's been rumbled :-)

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31 Jul 2016 20:37:37
Sy with all due respect you are using a one sided argument that isn't correct. You quote money bags chelski who have an average net spend of 6mil a year more than us that's all. You don't look at the bottom line. Your argument is flawed, when you just look at things with blinkers on.

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31 Jul 2016 20:39:18
The board of any company set the tone and expectations

Wenger doesn't write his own contract

He is meeting expectations based on resources

If he wasn't then he would be fired

It's too expensive to seriously compete in EU and UK every year so we have reset expectations

City have spent close to 1 billion pounds under the new owners.

It's the board - wengers crime is accepting a contract and earning a living while doing the best he can for the club.

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31 Jul 2016 20:40:33
Sy4,
Wenger's spin Doctor? :-)

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31 Jul 2016 21:09:34
SY

TFI is fully responsible for all the players we have and contracts they are on . Some players should have been long gone some are massively over paid, some of that money can go into the transfer kitty.

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31 Jul 2016 22:30:29
For me you have to put things in perspective. The board has to go gazidis kronke are usless. don't want it enough. The board owes Wenger one year to sign ne player at any cost Then you will see the magic.

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31 Jul 2016 23:28:36
Gunns 👍🏼.

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01 Aug 2016 08:33:26
I agree with Steve, it isn't spending that is the issue, it is our transfer policy (which is very strange) . We seem to spend lots of money and high wages on players that are either injured or aren't consistant. The moneyball philosophy doesn't seem to be working for us.

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31 Jul 2016 19:44:58
I think the current status of signings on hold due to valuation differences sums up Ivan's quote

We can't make mistakes, cautious, euro saved helps pay for the next transfer, self sufficient, prices are crazy .

Arsenal and Valencia are still about €5m (£4.2m) apart in their valuation of Shkodran Mustafi, according to Italian journalist Emanuele Giulianelli.

We have all been there when buying a house or a car or a holiday.

What did you do - over pay, compromise on your house or holiday, forgo something else?

It's the real world and a business with restrictions like you and I.

You may be comfortable having a mortgage *5 your salary or you may be more cautious.

I do believe we should be shopping for 20 to 50m pound players dependent on position on pitch. So we need to figure out how to get our income and model in the right spot.

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31 Jul 2016 20:07:54
Sy4,
We had a massive gross income last season, £331m and achieved the highest matchday income last season (£100m) , higher than any team in world football, including Barcelona and Real Madrid.

We are, apparently, the 7th richest football club in the world, have a lucrative kit contract with Puma, a lucrative commercial contract with Emirates Airline and have the highest season ticket prices in football.

And you are pleading poverty.

Sorry mate, but if my Dad earns £200,000 per annum, I expect him to get me the playstation I want for Xmas.

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31 Jul 2016 20:29:50
Dags, I know how your dad feels and you still make compromises as there is always someone richer

On the revenue piece - we are 7th on revenue and that's with significant improvements in desks thanks to Ivan's team

" Real Madrid topped the Money League for the eleventh consecutive year, having generated €577m (£439m) in the 2014/ 15 season, buoyed by growth in commercial revenue. Matchday income also saw an increase, and the planned redevelopment of the Santiago Bernabéu should see it continue to grow in the coming years.

FC Barcelona's on-pitch achievements in the 2014/ 15 season have translated to financial success, with revenue growth in all areas of the business helping the club to climb above Manchester United into second place, with revenues of €560.8m (£426.6m) . "

Then add the sugar daddies to the mix. X

I am still saying we need to spend more by the way.

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31 Jul 2016 20:33:30
Sy if you had £80,000 to spend on a car and went in to a dealer looking at a Jaguar or Mercedes would you drive out in a Ford Mondeo?
The club has money and because of the huge sponsorships and TV deals there is more money coming in soon, so in essence they Wenger Gazidis and Kronke have no excuse.

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31 Jul 2016 20:43:30
Good stats SY4, and I agree.

Personally bring me Lacazette and Mahrez and I will forgive you all your indiscretions and blinkedness.

Agreed? :-)

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31 Jul 2016 21:15:39
DG
I want the same two plus a quality centrehalf
Check my one sided rose tinted posts ( not naive ) - CD, CF and a Winger
Sell - Jack, Ox etc
I love the club and was lucky to experience some of the great teams under AW which were may be once in a lifetime teams - Pires, Freddie, Henry, Bergy etc etc.

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31 Jul 2016 21:26:59
JP - i will still want the best deal. I may go on line, see what other dealers have to offer, see what Rangerover I could get for same money, see what the RV (residual value) will be on it after 3 years and so many miles, see what extras I can get for free etc. I am not just spanking 80k on a new car without looking at the market place and if the sticker price is 80k then I ain't offering 80k. Spent at least 45 days on my last car.

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31 Jul 2016 23:30:38
How can 3 people disagree with stats from a Deloitte report on the EPL

Financial info is readily available on AFC and EPL.

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01 Aug 2016 01:32:12
Ok sy fair enough, but do you really believe that is what Wenger is doing?

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01 Aug 2016 06:09:49
I really hope so and that's kinda what they are saying so I trust them 😀.

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31 Jul 2016 19:19:59
With all the doom and gloom here the last couple of days, I thought this might perk a few of us up!

Watching SSN and Tony Cascarino just said that he's 'spoke to people in England and France' and he'd be 'surprised if this deal wasn't done this time next week' whilst talking about Lacazette.

Now, I'm not claiming he's a reliable source, but there's potentially something to be slightly hopeful about!

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31 Jul 2016 19:38:05
Lyon are playing us quite well here as they are saying he can go if we put a decent offer in. When you look at Mane's transfer fee to LFC, then 40m for this guy must be good value
Lyon are putting pressure on us and using the fans / media state of affairs to shame us if we don't put up.

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31 Jul 2016 19:40:19
I do think we have been down this road before. Nice try though D. Thanx.

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31 Jul 2016 19:46:59
Lyon have said Arsenal have made an increased offer but the clubs are miles apart and in their words " we've had talks and Arsenal won't be back.

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31 Jul 2016 19:48:52
Steve - why can't it happen. I hate to burst your negative bubble but our team is not made up of Acadamy players.

Sounds like Granit turned down Pool, Ozil probably had options and Sanchez and Rambo and Theo and Ox and Others

Cheer up and judge the window in 32 days :)

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31 Jul 2016 20:25:07
Sy we are not going to pay the money. I always say its not going to happen and guess what, I nearly always right. Are we after icardi are we after marez are we after lacazette are we after draxler, at some point I have read or heard someone saying we are buying them. Stop being so positive.

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31 Jul 2016 21:29:35
Agree Steve

We won't pay the money, only and only if we sell players, at the moment that's unlikely .

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31 Jul 2016 21:34:31
So when we buy those players you will cheer up, have a cup of tea and some humble pie?

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31 Jul 2016 21:46:41
When we buy aubamayang, mahrez and fabian schar i wiil be happy to put up with wenger until simionne and usmanov comes next year. Lol.

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31 Jul 2016 22:36:43
It's not me who will need any humble pie

Why do you think Wenger will spend 70,000,000 this window, now he would lose his marbles if he did that.

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31 Jul 2016 23:34:23
We spent 95m in the 14/ 15 season and we need to now

AW talking up positions we need in detail

Signs are there as are the rumours and info from sources

We will spend.

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31 Jul 2016 19:03:52
I fail to see any hunger from Gibbs, Ox and Walcott, all of whom failed to get into England's Euro squad. Perhaps it's been a bit easy for the three of them as English players are in demand in the PL in order to supplement the mainly foreign squads with English players.

They look stale as players and perhaps it's time to move them on. The problem is that they are on high wages that not many clubs can or are willing to pay and Arsenal would demand high transfer fees for them. Another problem is that we would have to replace them with 'homegrown' players.

I would love to see us push the boat out and sign Mahrez and Laczatte. At CB, we might have to sign someone like Johnny Evans, as he qualifies as homegrown.

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31 Jul 2016 19:28:18
Broken record time : Williams, Mahrez and Laczatte = happy me

Gives Chambers and Holding two years to get up to speed or sold.

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31 Jul 2016 19:37:37
I was enjoying that post until you said "Johnny Evans".

It's a bit like eating your steak dinner, you get to the last mouthful and you suddenly see your dog throw up.

Kinda spoils the whole meal :-)

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31 Jul 2016 19:41:54
The home grown rule although well intentioned has backfired for clubs and country.
Its resulted in clubs having to have players who aren't good enough and players not needing to achieve top level of performance because they are protected by virtue of being English or in England at an early age.
England's Euro performance highlighted its failing perfectly.
It looked a good idea at the time and it's not about blaming people its about accepting it hasn't worked and ditching the idea now.
As for Arsenal much of our wage bill is taken up by fringe players who earn much more with us than else where, other clubs pay mega millions to those that make the grade only which is why we have the 4th highest wage bill in the premier league but players like Kos on £70,000 while Theo and Jack earn vastly more, failed policies by both the premier league and Arsenal football club if you ask me.

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31 Jul 2016 20:01:45
It's a bonkers rule.

It makes players like Jack and Theo value and wage based too heavily on their passport not talent

The other crazy piece is Cesc could RETURN a few years later and be home grown

Ridiculous

Between this and the Bosnan case they have needlessly or unintentionally made average footballers super rich.

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31 Jul 2016 20:09:24
That last bit sums it all up, the wages of Jack and Theo compared to Kos .

I'd be knocking down the managers door bloody hard if I were him or be getting my passport out.

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31 Jul 2016 20:41:23
I wonder who sorted them wages out?

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31 Jul 2016 17:56:07
What a shame Highbury isn't still in its former glory, those of us who were unhappy with how the club is run now days could go back and reform as AFC Arsenal leaving the new bank of Emerirates Arsenal to it.
OK we'd probably have to start off at level 11 of the football pyramid but we'd still be premier league champions a long time before this champions league participation happy current Arsenal:-)

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31 Jul 2016 18:15:37
I nominate myself as an attacking midfielder, ala Ljungberg but with a grey streak in hair as opposed to a purple one :-)

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31 Jul 2016 19:22:21
That's an idea Dags! Although I was thinking we'd make the absolute most of your skills and make you the team bus driver:-)

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31 Jul 2016 19:30:32
We love you Dags because you've got grey hair
We love you Dags because you post everywhere
We love you Dags because you're Arsenal thru and thru!

Got a ring to it.

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31 Jul 2016 19:38:29
You have a point G62,

Goal scoring bus driver? :-)

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31 Jul 2016 20:05:05
Half time orange cutter would be dags job.

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31 Jul 2016 20:10:05
Haha, thank you SY4 :-)

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31 Jul 2016 21:24:06
Mlaga,
But I would do it with such style and finesse, lol.

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31 Jul 2016 23:45:21
I'd be the cdm and malaga can me right back in the changing rooms lol.

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31 Jul 2016 17:13:34
Thank you Number 14 and Sussex AFC :-)

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31 Jul 2016 16:39:27
Here's a thought
Manager aside, we need a change because the EPL has changed over the years

Big difference is that other business models have improved via sugar daddy cash. This means Chelsea, City and Utd have far more cash so now we need to beat 3 big fish rather than just 1 to win the league. That makes it very very hard without us making a unique change. EPL TV money doesn't do that, it just makes the mid-table teams like Spurs more competitive with us.
We need more commercial revenue and see where other revenue streams can come from. May be we need to sell a few players such as Jack or Ox but that's not really going to seriously help.

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31 Jul 2016 19:14:05
The whole situation we are in is down to the current set up, a leopard can't change its spots and neither can we. The players we can't get rid of will be superceded byvthe next generation we can't shift andcthats the big problem, buying average players that can't or don't perform, giving them more money than they deserve and then getting stuck with them.

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31 Jul 2016 19:31:40
So do you disagree because Spurs aren't a mid-table team?

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31 Jul 2016 19:39:53
As you say Steve, rinse, wash, repeat.

Arsenal all over mate.

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31 Jul 2016 16:06:59
Arsenal fans need to calm down. Just complaining about absolutely everything possible, finding fault in things that aren't there sometimes and then searching for more. Also talking about stuff as if it's fact when most people have no idea.

Just a few examples:
Arteta gave us a couple of very stable years when we were struggling and then yes was maybe played a bit too much past his peak. But he was still clearly, as NE says below, a good role model and obviously brings something if City wanted him. So stop going overboard about him.

Vardy saying 'it was easy'. The most obvious and normal connotations you can take from that aren't that nobody wants to join Arsenal anymore. Its more likely loyalty, simplicity (choosing not to uproot family and lifestyle) , and also just giving the fans what they want to hear.

We were all so desperate for a proper DM for so long, and then we get one and the only thing a lot of people can say is that we didn't sign a CB or a ST first, or that we didn't sign Kante.

Some people saying we have £200mil in reserves, others saying its closer to like £50/ 60mil. Doesn't sound like anyone is 100% sure, and until someone can show some proof we shouldn't speculate unnecessarily.

Its almost gotten to the point where I want signings for Arsenal just to prove everyone wrong rather than because it will improve the team. I'm sure if we did sign Mustafi, Mahrez or Lacazette, there would be something new to complain about anyway.

All I am trying to say is calm down. We are in the champion's league. We have a good squad with only 2 holes that might get filled anyway. Be realistic. We are not a club in turmoil. Stop acting like we are.

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31 Jul 2016 16:44:28
Hmmmmm

Arteta, brilliant he was a good role, well that will win you loads and clearly ignored by JW

Vardy. Don't give me the loyalty stuff, we weren't big enough simple as that .

We didn't need Xhaka we have plenty in that position it was the least of our priorities

No one knows what we have in the bank but we should be able to spend more than the annual 40 mill

If we signed a quality CB and CF it would shut many people up and the moaning would subside

Yippee CL football again, great . Do you think we will get out of the group stages? One thing is for sure yet again we haven't got a chance of winning, same old same old .

Who said we are in turmoil? What more and more people are saying is that we are miles offf our potential.

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31 Jul 2016 16:51:35
Seems as though you are settling for our current mediocre state. I am much more ambitious. This season is vital for this club. The smaller clubs are catching up and the bigger clubs are strengthening further. We will be in a very scary position if we don't add to our squad, especially with the inevitable in season injuries.

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31 Jul 2016 16:57:54
Nobody says we are in turmoil.

But, we have a built in reluctance to move on and take things higher, due to a manager and board who don't want to pay market value for players who will improve us and make it possible to win the League and put in a proper CL challenge.

Wenger compliments Barcelona by saying they are "a fantastic team with fantastic players, they are what we should be aiming for", yet when he gets the chance to sign players who would push us a step closer to the calibre of Barca, he refuses to pay the going rate.

Gazidis says "We can buy anybody, we have the money", yet won't pay the (reasonable) asking price for players.

Our manager/ board talk a good game, but don't back it up.
They won't pay the asking price for quality players, but expect Arsenal fan's to pay over the top asking price for season tickets.

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31 Jul 2016 17:14:46
Banbury the whole point of my post, was to show that there are two sides and that we shouldn't always look to the negative one as it seems you have just then.

And "Yippee Champions league football again" are you kidding me? It pains me that no one rates 16-17 years of consecutive champs league, or however long it is, as an achievement.

And at not one point did I say I wasn't ambitious AL, I'm not content with just champions league, I obviously will always want to be competing for the title and I know a CB and a ST are probably necessary to do that.

But don't you think maybe part of the reason we never do well, especially at the start of the season, is because our fans have already written the team off before the season has started.

Again just saying its not all doom and gloom. And also we shouldn't be putting the nail in the coffin at least until the end of the transfer window, even if the signings we want are unlikely now.

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31 Jul 2016 17:16:23
Correct Dags

Top top prices for what?

Liverpool will be interesting, watch us get beat then quickly go and buy someone?

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31 Jul 2016 17:18:00
Also I quite clearly understand nobody has said the words "we are in turmoil". Just some people are taking the bashing too far.

And I definitely agree with some points about the board, but again there are two sides to it. All I am saying.

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31 Jul 2016 17:28:55
Henry

CL - we get laughed at we are NOWHERE near good enough, we beat BM last year and people were saying watch out Europe - don't make me laugh.

I didn't say you weren't ambitious?

The way the team start the season is nothing to do with the fans, that's a rubbish excuse dear o dear.

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31 Jul 2016 17:30:28
Valid Henry.

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31 Jul 2016 17:47:51
If your talking about being part of a competition for 17 years as an achievement, that is no ambition whatsoever. We must be the only club who has this mindset.

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31 Jul 2016 18:15:44
I personally think its sad for my football team that people talk about our status and say they are happy. We are under achieving and until someone comex in and proves me wrong, i can accept we are getting the most out of this club. Every thing about arsenal is about surviving not progressing and the board and the management are to blame. The manager is not demanding enough of his board or his players. We are going nowhere pretty fast.

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31 Jul 2016 18:27:29
In fairness, qualifying for CL every year is no mean feat.

Against the backdrop of Abramovich's oil rich Chelsea, Man City's Sheikh money and Man Utd's incredible commercial revenue, building a new stadia whilst having to sell our best players to fund it, finishing top 4 is a fantastic achievment by Wenger.

Nobody denies that fact and nothing can be taken away from Wenger for sustaining that feat.

My problem is what is currently happening to our club and our lack of investment, even though we had an income of £331m last season.

Yes, we are a business and should be run like one.
I appreciate we have overheads like any business, wages, premises, commercial advertising etc etc etc, but our customary "£40m Summer Transfer Window budget" is pathetic when compared to the net profit we received last season.

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31 Jul 2016 18:43:17
BG
Did Ivan really say that or did he say we can do better and could afford a Rooney type transfer? We then signed Ozil that window and Sanchez the next.
To be fair to him, he has always referenced our self-sufficient model.

This window prices have gone crazy and he has now tempered that as he probably is aware that we are desparate to sign players. He reads papers, has an on live team and saw the demos in the year.

So now he sets expectations of a humble but reasonable spending spree.

It's the media causing the storm and we are feeling it.

The other stupid director said we could afford any "player" with the exception of a few such as Ronaldo. That's probably still true and we could spend 80m on one player but we need three players so we need to be careful.

Chelsea have spent 300m on strikers over the past 5 years. We can't afford that type of carefree spending - again, similar to what Ivan states. We need to be careful as we can't afford to spend 30m on a player who doesn't work out then sign another for 40m in the next window.

I don't get the issue with what Ivan states. It's true and we know it.

It's people who want to cause issues such as the media and Arsene out people creating the storm over nothing.

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31 Jul 2016 18:47:06
But Dags

Top 4 is the minimum we should be getting .

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31 Jul 2016 19:00:02
SY

Did Ivan say what?

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31 Jul 2016 19:08:38
Sy get off your soapbox about our model bull. In the last five years our net spend is 95 mil, chelseas net spend is 125 mil. For 30 mil difference in that time they have managed to win the champs league and league, twice i think. Its not all about the top line, its about the bottom line. Our bottom line is the way we waste money on average players, pay them fortunes and get no return and wenger has a huge say in that. We can't keep using the poor man arguments especially after llast season.

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31 Jul 2016 19:12:51
SY

I think you mean Dags mate.

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31 Jul 2016 19:14:30
Did he say we can buy anyone

Over the last 5 years we have spent 250m, LFC 365m, Utd 440m, city 432 and Cheksea 450m.

You are right -> we need to up it a good 50m per season and figure out how to fund that in the longterm (subject to transfer pricing inflation) :)

I agree - if it's the model then figure out how to change it without needing a sugar daddy, if it's a bit of the model and Wenger then change the model and put pressure on Wenger, if it's all Wenger then tell him to spend or he is out. Simple.

I like Wenger and admire him. I respect what he's done but the clubs bigger. However, I think it's the model and the boards ambition.

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31 Jul 2016 15:46:00
Don't know bout any1 else but I would not mind if arsenal went for bony.

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31 Jul 2016 17:06:19
I mentioned him a couple days ago he could be a really good player for us probably would demand a high fee though.

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31 Jul 2016 17:33:11
Please God no. Need to be aiming much higher than that.

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31 Jul 2016 17:35:46
Please God no. Need to be aiming much higher that that!

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31 Jul 2016 18:22:33
Gooner jim, yes we should be aiming higher and no one person thinks that more than me. But that is what it has come to, supporters lowering their real expectations because of what people are getting used to with this current set up. Most would want an aubamayang but we all no there is more chance of a bony or a yoda or a manzikic, so people for their sanity are being realistic in the circumstances. They don't really want bony but bony is better than jack sh/ ÷÷.

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31 Jul 2016 18:58:37
You are right Steve in an ideal world I would want levindowski spelling or benzema or suarez but won't happen.

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31 Jul 2016 19:13:49
Well if we had been sensible we could have got Suarez.

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31 Jul 2016 15:16:00
The reliable Star is linking us with Williams

Hope so as he's exactly what we need and good developer for the young centre backs at the club

Bit short term but the leadership we need.

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31 Jul 2016 14:57:30
Hello lads. Just stopping by for some friendly banter.

How are you guys feeling about the opening match between our two beloved teams? I can't say I've ever felt too optimistic about going to the Emirates, but for once I feel we have a real chance of leaving with 3 points, given the circumstances. I think we have really strengthened, bar LB. but the one thing that could beat us is mignolet (karius injury makes me cry) . Arsenal are usually pretty slow starters, and I'm sure Klopp will have the lads pressing from the off. It's going to be a great game regardless! Can't wait for the transfer madness to be over and back to the football.

. also can't wait for us to see how bang average guardiola is, as well as seeing United self implode. It's anyone's season this year! Good luck!

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31 Jul 2016 16:56:30
You do have a very real chance of starting with an away win, of course it depends if TFI has a change in personality and brings in a couple of very good players

As we stand today I know where my money is.

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31 Jul 2016 17:05:06
Afternoon Tj,
Sadio Mane apart, I don't think Liverpool have bought that well (plenty of time left, I know) .

Joel Matip is decent to be fair.

2-0 Arsenal :-)

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31 Jul 2016 17:23:06
Haha I admire your bias Dags. I can't go against my reds easily. We've strengthened very well. Keeper, center back, midfield, winger.

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31 Jul 2016 19:22:19
Sunday is drinking day for Dags, please excuse him.

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31 Jul 2016 19:24:38
Tj i see us challenging for fourth with the spuds and west ham. You guys challenging for euefa cup spot with southampton and everton. Not sure about leicester, they will miss kante. Do you see that. In my view klopp should have come here not to you but obviously you will say he did the right thing.

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01 Aug 2016 02:16:14
Haha of course he did Steve. I think we are a better fit. And it is going to be hard to go to arsenal when wenger will manage beyond the grave. We are going to surprise some people this year. Believe it.

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31 Jul 2016 12:53:11
Good news and bad news.

Media reporting that Sanchez will be fit for the first game of the season following the knock he got during the copa final.

Bad news, the mirror are saying that Wenger is considering bidding £15 Mil for Jonhny Evans.

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31 Jul 2016 11:38:03
You have to laugh when you read that Vardy said it was easy to reject Arsenal .

That's about where we are at .

12 years ago players would run through fire to join us.

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31 Jul 2016 12:09:23
The problem with joining Arsenal is ambition beyond champions league participation, Vardy already has that with Leicester and to be fair with the passion thier players have that ours tend to lack to often he's as least as likely to see a champions league QF with Leicester as he would be with us.
Why move your family from where they are happy to live for a no gain situation?
I wonder if he'd have said no to utd city or Chelsea:-)

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31 Jul 2016 12:13:14
Indeed 62

No doubt he would have gone if one of the " big 3 " had come in for him.

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31 Jul 2016 13:01:56
I think it was something else with vardy! You shouldn't write off a mans integrity so easily! It was more loyalty and the rest it's just as much about money.

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31 Jul 2016 13:09:30
Just quoting him

He sad " it was easy "

Leicester or Arsenal hmmmmmm

2, 3 or 4 years ago you would have said its a no brainier.

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31 Jul 2016 14:15:48
Personally I think Vardy said what he said to convince mehriz to stay and reject arsenal if we bid for him.

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31 Jul 2016 14:59:57
He's saying what there fans want to hear obviously

If it was that easy then he would have said no straight off, not wait out the euro's.

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31 Jul 2016 18:51:50
I never comment on grammar, but I have to say the phrase 'where we/ I am/ are at' is such horrendous English and I've no idea why people have started using it. It's like when someone goes in to a pub and says 'can I get a pint of Guinnesa? '. Can you get? No we don't do self service in here you silly ignorant fool. You may have one but I'll have to get it for you!

The Americanisation of our language really offends me.

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31 Jul 2016 10:24:08
I agree with all of you guys posting. Honestly if we add up Arsenal's inflated purchases of Sunday league players we would have a spare 100 mil kicking around. Here are a few honourable mentions:

Walcott: Nice lad, but can't kick a ball 5 mill plus his current, crazy wages

Chamberlin: Will come good in 2042 12 mil

Arteta: Cost 10 mil, played an important role by improving hair cuts.

Debuchy: 12 mil for football's answer to Jackie Chan (known for stunt injuries) .

Andre Santos: 6.8 mil, seriously?

Squillaci: 4 mil, need I say more.

Callum Chambers : 16 mil, should have been a traffic warden instead, because he is so good at giving the opposition directions towards our goal.

Wellbeck: 16 mil a play date for Jack Wilshire.

Podolski: 11 mil is expensive to employ an IT technician to market our twitter account (plus mental wages) .

The list is endless and contains players that would look more comfortable in a Benny Hill sketch.

Goodness me.

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31 Jul 2016 12:35:19
Welbeck? A waste of money?
Simply untrue.

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31 Jul 2016 12:43:00
podolski scored 30 in 80, not exactly bad for a player played out of position and who cost 11m.

you only have to look at welbeck's injury history to realise arsenal are at fault for his absences. his injuries at man u were few and far between and never too long term.

chambers is 21. how many decent 21 year old cbs are there? very few. with experience he'll easily match that transfer fee.

debuchy was keeping sang out of the france squad when we bought him.

arteta was a brilliant player for us for years, it wasn't his fault wenger played him past his expiry date. brilliant role model for the younger players too. why do you think pep and city wanted him as a coach?

again, aoc is what? 22? he, like chambers, needs a solid run of games (perhaps out on loan) . he has potential to be a special player for us.

walcott? i can't defend walcott.

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31 Jul 2016 12:57:59
Hi Max, Wellbeck is a decent player when he plays. Although his current return is 13 goals in 49 games over two seasons. It is unfortunate, but his story is familiar, hopefully he can retain fitness for a whole season.

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31 Jul 2016 13:27:45
I think you're being a little overly harsh mate, a lot of those players weren't/ aren't really flops.

Arteta was a very good signing, filled the gap when he came and did well, only in the past 2-3 years, when injury and age have caught up with him, has he dropped off.

Welbeck is also a good signing, injuries again (a theme) have hampered his time with us, but he's always given 100% and when he came back last season, he actually looked like he was in very good form, something like 4 in 6 at one point.

Debuchy again, is very much a victim of circumstance, he did very well when he was playing, but that horrible shoulder injury gave Hector room to come in and he's made that spot his own, unless Hector has a poor spell or gets (please god no) injured, he's not giving up his spot.

Chambers, is only 21 let's remember, he hasn't been involved much, but how can he?
Should we play him at RB?
Hectors there.
Should we start him at CB?
Over who?
He needs a loan out really.

Ox, it remains to be seen, he always shows glimpses, but that's not enough, he needs to crack on this year, if he doesn't hit form, then we need to seriously review his future.

Podolski was, again, a victim of circumstance.
Wenger played him on the left wing, where he never really settled.
He still scored 30 league goals for us and was a key member of the team.
If Arsene had given him more time centrally or even on the right so he could cut in with that hammer left, I dare say we'd of seen a different player.
That said, I'd happily pay the £10m again just for that tweet about joining Spurs.


The others, well, I can't really back them, but realistically, we haven't had many 'faliures' in recent years, especially when you look at the likes of say Chelsea, who've spent big money on the likes of Salah, Cuadrado, Rahmann, Shevchenko, Torres (arguably) , out of whom, one lasted more than 2 seasons.
Shevchenko was shipped out after his second and the first 3 all went on loan within a year (Rahmann is currently at Schalke for loan talks)

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31 Jul 2016 10:15:13
Who really decides what direction Arsenal football club takes?
Ultimately it's the fans because without the fans there is nothing.
Its only with the fans consent that Arsenal continue to do the bare minimum needed to achieve the best financial return.
All the time people continue to pay up and fill the Emerirates and the clubs bank account why would a financial institution change its approach?
Yes the club know the fans want more investment but what the fans want isn't of any real interest to the club its what the minimum fans will tolerate and accept that's their only concern
Lots of business run this way they offer the least they can get away with and charge the most they can possibly get until their customers complain.
Just give your TV provider a call to say your leaving suddenly they will be able to offer you much more for a lot less, car insurance, break down cover they all operate in the same way, they milk thier silent majority of their customers for every penny they can get out of them and only work hard to please the ones who refuse to accept paying more for less.
Football is the entertainment businesses and without an audience there is no business, its our choice which way Arsenal go and it always has been.

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31 Jul 2016 13:47:56
Spot on mate and that's the biggest problem.
It's like when you see fans saying 'I'm not renewing my season ticket' when they're upset.
Do the club care?
No, because there's currently a waiting list in the hundreds for one, probably thousands (I can't say I'm a season ticket holder, so I'm not sure! )

Unless the club see something like a thousand or so fans refusing to renew, they won't change.


General tickets are the same.
People can 'organise' all the protests they want, but if you're protesting in the stadium, they've sold you a ticket, so why care?
If you're protesting outside the stadium, someone else will buy that ticket you're refusing!

In a double edged sword, our club is one of the most well supported in the world (I mean in numbers, the quality of our fanbase can be questionable)
Every single person on this site, I mean ed's, and all the other pages too, could refuse tickets to go watch arsenal and they'd still end up with someone somewhere!

A lot of our fans blindly support Arsene and that's wrong.
A lot of our fans adamantly want him out and that's wrong too.

There has to be a middle ground.
For me personally, I've always said that I'm reserving judgement on the club till the end of the window.

Xhaka was a great start, but it can't be the end.


(As with most of my nonsense, take this part with a pinch of salt)
We're apparently looking at Jonny Evans for CB.
Now look, herein lies the problem.
The club says it will only buy players that improve the team.
Great, I'm behind that 100%.
I'd rather sign nobody than Grant Holt.
But if you're telling me, that Jonny Evans is a player that improves our squad, then you're out of your mind.
First of all, he's certainly not better than Per or Kos and I'd argue Gabriel is also better (I like Gab, he just needs to settle next to a partner, it can't be easy not speaking any language the other CB's speak and then playing next to a different one every week) so he's not improving our options.
But secondly and most annoyingly, if you're telling me that our massive scouting network, coupled with the managers knowledge of world football, couldn't do better than Jonny Evans, when the likes of Mustafi, Murillo, Balanta, De Vrij, Martins Indi, Veltmann and more are out there, all with achievable prices and we settle for Evans, that's unacceptable.

Look, at the end of the day, I'm just spouting names there that I think would improve Arsenal.
It doesn't mean anything in the real world, maybe those lads don't want to join Arsenal.
Maybe they won't get work permits.
Maybe they kicked Arsene's cat once.
Maybe they'll arrive and be awful.

The point is, the club is basically, at the moment, looking for the cheapest possible options.
Regardless of perception right now, there ARE players, big players, who'd love to join arsenal, but you have to meet them half way.
It's alright Lacazette (apparently) wanting to join, but that doesn't mean we can skimp on transfer fee or wages.
Can you imagine being offered a job and your boss saying 'I know you really wanted to join this company, so we're offering a salary of 60% of what you're actually worth'


Football more than ANY other market, is a sellers market.
You can't pay what you want to, you meet the demands of the selling party.

And we simply won't.



Sorry for the lengthy and eventually off topic reply mate!

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31 Jul 2016 09:51:58
Sounds like AW is pushing hard for an experienced Centrehalf - looking at Federico Fernandez, Mustafi etc
Good to see we are looking at players with strong international qualities

I really like Williams, but what's his partner Federico Fernandez like?

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31 Jul 2016 10:15:36
You've summed it up well

He's looking

He will say " we tried"

We can all look.

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31 Jul 2016 13:51:44
Without trying to sound ungrateful, the fact that people have to ask how Fernandez did, in a league they watch week in, should tell you he's average.

If it was from abroad and people weren't sure, that's understandable, but from a league we watch all the time, should raise eyebrows.

I think eventually we'll end up with nobody or a stupid panic buy and a press conference from Arsene along the lines of 'Look, uhh, we tried, but unfortunately there was nobody on the market' whilst Mustafi goes to Utd and Arsene proclaims he had no idea he was for sale and when we offered them £25 and a loan of Crowley, they said no.

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31 Jul 2016 09:39:42
You know things are bad when you read a post from Dags and it has no humour in it. Thought you made some good points Dags and I think the majority of fans feel the same way at the moment, regardless of their opinions on Wenger. Usually at this time of year I look forward to the new season starting. This year, the optimism and buzz is missing and this is due to our club conducting their business in silence and failing to create momentum and excitement for the fans. They are taking their fans for granted and if this continues I can see protests throughout this season as fans are unable to understand why a club with huge resources such as ours consistently fails to match the ambitions of its' fans.

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31 Jul 2016 09:57:24
I thought all Dags` posts had no humour in -haha just kidding! Fine post written for a huge number of fans me included. Still hanging in for a combination of Lacazette Mahrez and a quality Defender arriving - there`s the humour COYG.

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31 Jul 2016 09:38:50
If it's true Everton have agreed 10mill fee for Williams then I would be upset, if he is available he is exactly the type of player we need, I would go as far as making him captain. 10 mill in today's market is nothing for a player of his quality. I know he is 32 but seems really fit I think he still has a few years left in him yet.

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31 Jul 2016 11:42:26
Im with you 100% spanner if it's true, none of our current CBs can play without Kos, any combination of Mertesacker Chambers and Gabriel looks totally lost without Kos next to them and that's ridiculous.
Williams may not be world class but he's a very decent CB and doesn't need his hand holding constantly infact he's much more likely to be the one to get others going than need motivating himself.
£10 million for just what we need at the back? We should be offering £15 million and get it done this afternoon.

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31 Jul 2016 13:53:36
Lads, your forgetting that Williams doesn't have Little bit resale value.

Williams would be ideal, he's that Gary Neville character I joke about, not a big name but works hard and gets the job done.
We'd get maybe 2 seasons out of him.
Worth it in today's market.

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31 Jul 2016 08:34:30
Blimey

Dags has seen the light

Welcome to my world mate.

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31 Jul 2016 09:42:26
Banbury mate

1 more season we will have to put up with the TYRANT, then we will be free

Party time.

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31 Jul 2016 09:51:32
MG

You are more confident than me, I see him signing another contract.

We also need to remember that any new manager could well be the boards puppet - Howe springs to mind .

I feel we are entering a long period of mediocrity.

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31 Jul 2016 10:52:37
Entering Banbury? Where you been the last decade mate :-)

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31 Jul 2016 11:33:30
My mediocrity is seasons outside the top 4 or 5 mate.

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31 Jul 2016 11:48:00
I think for Spurs outside the top 4 is an average season but for the Arsenal any season we don't put in a challenge for the title is a poor season mate, only 1 team can win the league each season but utd city Chelsea and Arsenal should always be in the hunt and Every season their not is a bad season for each and all of those 4 clubs, we've just had so many poor seasons we've forgotten just what a big club the Arsenal really are.

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31 Jul 2016 11:50:30
I don't believe it's the board Banbury

Only time will tell.

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31 Jul 2016 13:56:58
Arsene will get a new deal.
Ultimately, Gazidis can say all he wants about how Stan wants us to win, but Arsene makes the club a LOT of money and in turn is paid, a LOT of money.

It's a win-win.

When Arsene leaves the club, in 30 years time, people are going to be shocked, because I think there will actually be a decline, probably a few seasons of no CL football.

The press will have a field day slating fans who wanted the Boss out.
The fans who blindly follow will be telling everyone they were right.

But to me, it's like the flu.
It gets worse before it gets better.

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31 Jul 2016 07:30:16
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31 Jul 2016 08:22:25
Cheers Pinky.

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31 Jul 2016 02:23:30
I turn 60 in 3 weeks and there is only one present I want, although I need it now. SIGN MAHREZ. Everyone says we need a CF more but if we look at last year I don't think that is true. 16 goals from Giroud, 4 from Theo as CF and maybe we could count a couple of Wellbeck goals as CF goals. So that is 22 goals. From RW apart from the times Sanchez switched over there we had about 4 goals and 3 assists. With our depth of right wingers this position should not be a problem but I think it is our biggest problem. We should have snapped up Mkhitaryan - 30M. I know he wanted big wages but Wenger as an economist must know how supply and demand works. If we offer 50M and 150K wages for Mahrez we would have him. He is the current PFA player of the year. Could be a one season wonder but there are no guarantees in life let alone football.

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31 Jul 2016 09:33:31
You do raise a great point as the goals do need to be spread out a bit better with the front 3, midfield and centre halves all contributing far more. I remember when Freddie, Pires, Paddy and Petit would makes goal contributions and seasons when a ridiculous number of players scored. However, we still need a striker that can turn the game on his own and distract 3 defenders like a Henry could. Not only was he dangerous and won points for us when we were dead and buried ( Liverpool game when we were 2 nil down and he embarrassed carragher to score 2 himself ) plus you would see 3 players marking him so someone else was unmarked. That's what we need if we are to win the league. Watch Henry skills on YouTube and you remember what we are missing.
Mahrez -> yes but we must get a CD and CF first.
I want all three - the French forward from Lyon, Keown type Centrehalf plus a Pires/ Freddie type winger.
I got to get out of the past! :)

Happy birthday.

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31 Jul 2016 19:07:48
Mahrez would be an awesome signing and I do not think he is a one season wonder, he is a quality footballer and at 25 has many seasons in him. The problem is that at present we have Walcott, Oxlade and Ramsey, who all can play on on the right side of the attacking midfield trio.

As well as youngsters such as Iwobi, Reinne-Adelaide and Zelalem who need to be part of the squad. Perhaps it's time to buy Mahrez and pay for him by selling Ox and Walcott, who look very stale and need a new challenge.

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31 Jul 2016 00:50:52
How come we as Arsenal fans never get what we want in terms of how the club is run? United fans wanted moyes out, they got it they wanted LVG out they got it. They wanted mourinho they got him. Liverpool fans wanted their board to reduce their ticket prices. The board listened. Our board doesn't give a rat ass about our opinions and feelings. How come we never have a say in how the club is run? we have been begging for a top class since RVP left and we are yet to get one. Arsenal in my opinion is by far the worst run club in english football. The fans have no voice nor the organizational capabality to make changes happen at the club. We can't even organize one proper protest. God help us all.

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31 Jul 2016 01:10:51
Absolutely spot on PG.

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31 Jul 2016 02:01:36
Mate, if you think we're the 'worst run club in English football' I'd point you towards Leeds and a certain other former prem club now in league 2 that I won't name for fear of being sued.

As for the 'protest' it was never going to happen last year because the majority of the fans backed Arsene.
This season, if our window is poor, as it looks it likely will be, then I'd expect more people to Change opinon.

Utd sacked Moyes and LVG because results weren't up to what the board felt 'Utd' should be, though in fairness they'd of sacked LVG anyway for Jose.
Our board are happy with champions league football, so 4th is enough.
And to tell the truth, I honestly think if we were to finish 7th, say, this season, the board would still back wenger, we'd be seeing things in the paper from Ivan like 'it's a blip' or 'we can't compete with big spending Stoke'

As for Liverpool, well, yeah the fans did make their voices heard, but that was about tickets, not signings.
When we get a ticket price hike, our fanbass just has a bit of whinge and gets on with it.

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31 Jul 2016 09:39:45
Didn't we freeze prices and now contribute towards away travel? Didn't we do something for that awful away loss also? Didn't we do something to make the ground more Arsenal, . I think they listen but have different expectations on performance than some fans or are may be more realistic on what can be achieved with our resources over the past 15 years.

The board employee the manager and determine expectations - LVG didn't match theirs but Wenger does.

We need a different business model if we are to compete as you want.

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31 Jul 2016 19:13:09
Quite the contrary, I believe we are one of the best run clubs in the league. We finished 2nd last season in a freak season when Leicester were the only team to finish above us. We are self-sustaining and since Wenger has been at the club have built awesome training facillities, which are being upgraded.

We have built a new stadium and have huge reserves in the bank. We have consistently played in the CL and reached the last 16. Although, at times Wenger can be frustrating, he will be almost impossible to replace, particularly as all the top managers are in a job at present. There are many examples of badly run clubs in the PL, but Arsenal are not one of them.

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