Arsenal Banter Archive June 04 2016

04 Jun 2016 22:18:13
I see Arsenal beat Scotland 3-0 :-)

04 Jun 2016 22:40:05
That's not hard dags, the raver and his clubbing mob would beat Scotland when we are still drunk and our heads are on another planet.

04 Jun 2016 23:02:23
Raver,
That's pretty much you every day mate :-)

04 Jun 2016 23:06:40
Some of us are Scotch and accountants - tough day on this site today! / )

04 Jun 2016 21:45:54
not sure if Vardy is our best option as striker but you can't deny that he will be a good signing for us! I'm excited if true

- Vardy knows it will be nearly impossible to play for a top club if he doesn't go this summer

- pro: £20 million is cheap for any decent striker this summer

- 29 years-old isn't as bad as one may think. he hasn't played real competitive, intense football until 25. to me, it's more like signing a 27 year-old. (though I can't be too certain about this) . Ian Wright played at Arsenal til he was 34.

04 Jun 2016 22:15:23
Also around the 27-31 mark is what people call "the peak years of a player". So if we got 1-2 decent seasons out of him and got AW a great send of at the end of next season with some silverware, then for me its a great buy. Add to the fact that we have had average strikers since we lost Henry, then 20million for a 20+ goal scorrer is nothing really.

04 Jun 2016 21:17:04
Vardy being fed by ozil, caz and wilshire would be brilliant, what's all this crap about systems, feed the dragon and he will spout fire. don't worry vardy would fit any system, he just likes scoring and we don't have anyone like that. Come on wenger why is it taking so long.

04 Jun 2016 21:31:10
Systems make a difference Steve.

Leicester base their play on sitting deep and hitting team's on the break with rapid speed.
They rely on a quick build up, once they regain possession, 2 or 3 passes and the ball is over the top of the opposition defence and Vardy is onto it.

Compare that to Arsenal.

We like to dominate, hold onto the ball, pass and move, pass and move, slow build up with lot's of intricate moves and passes.

What's Vardy going to be doing whilst all this is going on?

Waiting upfront scratching his ball boy's?

Don't get me wrong, would love Vardy (prefer Morata) , but we are going to have to play more like the 'Invincible's' and attack faster.

04 Jun 2016 22:01:01
Dags vardy is good in the box as well as running with the ball, like sanchez he is hungry and willing and scores, he will fit in anything we do, he is a goal scorer and boy do we need one. He is as good as kane and id have kane if available.

04 Jun 2016 22:14:47
Not disputing that Steve mate.

My point is we will probably have to change to suit Vardy and not vice versa.

Read the bloody post, lol.

04 Jun 2016 22:38:53
Can i be honest dags ( you know me ) i think we need to change and be able to change, some of the football we play is sterile.

04 Jun 2016 23:06:41
Totally agree Steve,

It's great if we are changing our personell, but no point if we keep playing the same way.

04 Jun 2016 20:23:48
Hi fellow gooners and eds! Is vardy really going to have a medical before the English team fly to france? Thanks you eds for your wonderful work!
And may I just say that vardy will be aammaazing for us! HappyGooner
IndianGooner.

04 Jun 2016 19:47:37
I really don't get the negativity around Vardy fitting our style. Are we really not going to consider a quick, sharp, prolific striker because teams sit back against us? He will bring us a fantastic outlet when we regain possession in defensive or midfield positions and allow us to move the ball quickly which is where we are at our most dangerous but don't do it enough. Giroud is excellent we know at link up and bringing others into the play. But that is where defenders regroup also. This gives us a dimension we don't have as Walcott is simply not good enough to play that role. Welbeck gives us it to some extent but is not the finisher Vardy is. £20m is decent value even if we get 3 good years from him.

04 Jun 2016 20:17:01
Totally agree, if we did miss out and he scores the goals for Liverpool or Spurs that wins them the title next season the same people who question the move now will complain that we blew our chances of getting him.

04 Jun 2016 18:47:19
If we do sign Vardy, which is looking quite likely all of a sudden, we do still need another striker. Hopefully Morata would still be of interest.

{Ed002's Note - Don't hold your breath.}

04 Jun 2016 19:18:01
Would prefer Morata over Vardy but no way will we try to sign both.

04 Jun 2016 19:19:14
Evening Ed002, May I ask are you saying Vardy would be our only signing up front or just a no to Morata?
Thanks for everything even if you don't want to answer that question.

{Ed002's Note - What I am saying is don't hold your breath about Morata signing at all.}

04 Jun 2016 19:31:25
The way I see it is if less than a month after last season ended we have signed both Xhaka and Vardy we have very little to complain about, I can't remember us being so proactive so early in the summer window, sure beats sitting there on deadline day hoping for at least 1 new player to come in.
Personally I think we should be excited by who we are getting rather than keep talking about who might have got instead.

04 Jun 2016 20:06:04
Much appreciated as ever ed002.

04 Jun 2016 20:26:09
hey Ed002
wb! :)
pleased to see you:)
excellent
COYG andi:)

04 Jun 2016 12:50:46
Summary of player values that might put some of the Striker banter in perspective.

Even if the figures don't show realisable player value, and include relatively recent form, still shows that if gunners fans aren't happy with Morata, there aren't many household names that are realistically attainable. Aubameyang and Higuain are valued less than him though.

player values

04 Jun 2016 20:45:53
It's a ridiculous list. Saw it in the paper. Totally ludicrous valuations.

04 Jun 2016 13:25:01
Seen so many people on social media saying vardy doesn't suit our style of play. Haven't we been moaning we've had no plan b for a while now. Another option like vardy would be ideal in my opinion.

04 Jun 2016 14:02:14
To me he is ideal and has everything we all hoped Theo might deliver if played down the middle plus other attributes Theo never had in his locker potentially or otherwise.
Its a no brainier signing surely?

04 Jun 2016 15:12:56
Surely vardy is the perfect player for us to counter attack when we plays Barcelona again next season seems logical to me!

04 Jun 2016 17:31:19
A plan B only works if it's put into action. Can you see Arsene switching it up to long ball over the top for him to run on to. I personally don't think he'd suit arsenal.

04 Jun 2016 19:47:36
I can see the reasoning on both sides on the debate here. However I'm sure Arsene knows what he is doing. If he thinks it'll work that's good enough for me. Would he really part with 20m plus for someone who won't work out.

04 Jun 2016 12:41:46
I think Vardy is a great player who will definitely get goals at Arsenal considering the chances we create.
However, 20 million for a 29 year old that has one good season under his belt may not prove good value if he doesn't adjust to our style of play!
Split on this one.

04 Jun 2016 13:15:00
I'm split too Marbella. Though not just if Vardy adjusts to us, but if the approach we take utilise him best - especially as he may not have a couple of years to bed in.

Vardy has proven he can score against the best in the Prem sides, so I certainly would be hopeful he could do a good job for us.

That said, I'd be worried that we'd press too high to utilise him fully and he'd end up no better than theo or olly, or push him out wide with similar results. We could make a transition to play more counter attacking against teams like barca, planning to use xhaka and coq, play deep and counter with Vardy. but will we? Would be great to see.

I think getting any proven striker that would contrast with Olly could be great, as long as we tweak tactics to utilise them. Still gutted that it's not happened for Theo tbh.

04 Jun 2016 11:22:52
if the vardy move goes through for me i think it will be a great deal. regardless of what people think about paying 20 million for a 29 year old.
he was a late developer so who's to say he won't have 3 to 4 good years left in him, plus regardless of his age i would much rather the club buy a player like vardy, who is a proven premier league goalscorer rather than spend 40 to 50 million on a player like morata for example who may not be able to handle the premier league.

04 Jun 2016 11:46:10
Gooner Mark - Spot on. There are very few top strikers and those that there are, tend to be at top clubs and are virtually impossible to purchase. I am not convinced by Morata, who doesn't appear to be much of an improvement on Giroud, if at all.
Although Vardy is £20m, as he is 29, as you state we save £30m ish on a younger version (simply not available at present) and there is a savings on wages, as a £20m player tends to earn less than a £50m player. As a rule of thumb I find that transfer fees of top players tend to correspond to the wages paid over the term of a player's contract. So Vardy at £20m, would expect payment of £20m over a 4 year deal. Whereas a £50m younger player, would probably expect to earn £50m over 5 years. So a huge saving in wages over 4 years of £20m, if that makes sense. Yes, Vardy will have very little sell on possibility, but a 27 year old striker, will still be 32 at the end of their 5 year deal and have a low sell on fee in most cases. My concerns with Vardy is how will perform in a high pressing team, opposed to counter-attacking team and whether Wenger will play him out wide, as he done with the other forwards, such as Bendtner and Chamakh, who were never the same after unsuccessfully being moved wide.
Overall though, I would like to see him join, Then we need a quality LB and CB.

04 Jun 2016 11:48:10
Ed025 is always reminding us Mark its not our money so we shouldn't worry about the price or the wages only the quality of the players we get.
I think it's time for some Arsenal fans to stop being accountants and go back to being football fans again.
Let's get back to celebrating all things football and leave the financial side of things to those in suits who gets paid to worry about that side of things.

04 Jun 2016 11:59:22
Well said gunner62.

04 Jun 2016 12:34:24
Im with you g62 . I couldn't care less about money and don't get all the hypothesis around it. I want vardy to stay where he is. Would he do well for us? Who knows! I think he should stay at Leicester and revel in the dream . I would have harry Kane though. But I just have a weird hunch that he will be a red devil sooner or later.

04 Jun 2016 12:51:43
g62 there are people who worry about the financial side of things.
me personally i ain't.
for me it's more about the quality of player not the price although i mentioned morata as an example and big difference in the price i just meant would rather vardy not just because he is cheaper than all of the top strikers in europe it is because he is a proven goal scorer in the pl.
i know there's no guarantee he will have a season like he has this year but i would much rather a striker who has the experience in the league.

04 Jun 2016 13:40:35
20m on Vardy means the new manager has more in the kitty next season after the great one retires. Plus he gets a finished article to get results immediately
May be a sensible short and loony term acquisition by AW as he thinks about legacy and winning.

04 Jun 2016 14:51:11
Hi Mark my reply was ment to agree with you not to insinuate you were one of the accountant fans mate, sorry if it appeared that way, poor wording on my behalf mate ooops :- (

04 Jun 2016 15:21:02
no worries g62 mate :-)

04 Jun 2016 08:14:49
Vardy bid just a smokescreen whilst we work on a sensational deal to bring Bendtner back on a free?

04 Jun 2016 09:01:44
What about Chamakah. he is also free I think.

04 Jun 2016 09:04:50
Just imagine Deadly combination of Bendtner and Chamakah and add to it Yaya SayNogoal, it sends shivers down my spine. Lol.

04 Jun 2016 11:09:48
Guys forget msn, forget bbc we will have CBY ( chamak, bendtner and yaya) lol.

04 Jun 2016 15:55:51
is adebayor free as well? we could have CBA (cant be arsed)