Arsenal Banter Archive August 20 2017

20 Aug 2017 19:52:35
Master stroke by Pep.

Let Sanchez watch Arsenal from the stands for a few weeks and then give him an out!

If it wasn't so painfully true, it could be funny

20 Aug 2017 22:07:11
Surely if it's true they are offering 70 million for a player who doesn't want to be with us and who will most definitely leave for free in a years time we have to take it and use it to reinforce our stating 11.

20 Aug 2017 20:33:45
3 ex spurs player on motd all saying 3 clear cut penalties. What a great example of why replays are needed in the modern game massive mistake on pen decision and on offside goal which look like he was in line, unfortunately refs can decide games, to much money involved in the modern game for stupid errors like that to continue, ruins the game.

20 Aug 2017 20:42:58
I have no idea where u get 3 clear pens from. Bellerin at best was.

Arsenal deserved to lose, get a grip and move on.

Everyone will lose games.

20 Aug 2017 21:05:02
Except when Mesut handles the ball in the build up to am equaliser of always.

20 Aug 2017 22:08:21
and a kos handball away before he scored lol.

21 Aug 2017 09:43:57
CTR watch MOTD and you will see 3 pens not given and that was coming from 3 ex spurs players, I have no idea how you can make a comment on that when clearly you didn't watch the game, how did Arsenal deserve to lose then? So a team with 77% possession more shots on target goal disallowed and 3 clear pens not given deserves to lose! Embarrassing statement that ctr.

21 Aug 2017 09:48:28
CTR if the officials got their decision right Arsenal would of won that game and with the stats you reckon you would still be saying Arsenal deserved to lose, you've made yourself look so stupid 😂😂😂😂.

20 Aug 2017 18:24:42
Chelsea, spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal have all lost . Is it still doom and gloom.

{Ed001's Note - when did Liverpool lose?}

20 Aug 2017 18:42:34
23rd April ed, against Crystal Palace. 😉.

20 Aug 2017 18:44:49
Not sure how Chelsea and Spurs can both loss when they are playing each other.

{Ed025's Note - chelsea lost to burnley last week ryan and spurs lost today..

20 Aug 2017 20:03:58
What's this losing thing u talk of?

20 Aug 2017 20:16:35
Spurs lose to Chelsea at Wembley, we lose to Stoke at Stoke, all seems pretty standard stuff to me.
Stoke away and Swansea both home and away are always games we struggle to get anything from at all, it's not finding fault it's fact.
No one can be shocked by yesterday's result disappointed but not shocked and Spurs fans must feel pretty much the same about Chelsea at Wembley.

20 Aug 2017 20:20:49
common sense mate.

20 Aug 2017 20:45:40
Omg Ed i Darnt even tell you how I come to that conclusion . This is really bad I'd looked at the game against Watford when you were playing them and you were loosing then saw the headline of Liverpool dropping points and did the crazy math that got the wrong answer 😵😵😵 I've had a shocking few weeks ed 👎🏻👎🏻.

{Ed033's Note - Stop listening to the mushrooms 😋.

20 Aug 2017 21:02:45
Thought he was referring to this weekends games only in comparision to us losing. Too early days yet anyway to over react either way.

20 Aug 2017 12:46:30
I just need to get this off my chest because I'm starting to get annoyed with fans blind loyalty towards The Ox. He is not a Full Back or RWB. He is not better than Monreal, Gibbs and no where near as good as Bellerin in that position. He can certainly run with the ball and cross well but he neglects his defensive responsibilities and can't tackle to save his life. The Ox' s natural position is part of a front 3 or behind a striker. The guy should be no where near a defence to save his life. Bellerin s form is suffering to make room for The Ox because Wenger wants him to sign a new contract. But at the end of the day if there isn't a position for him then sell and buy players we need for this new formation. And to all those fans getting on Bellerins back to hype up the Ox, Barcelona and Guardiola both wanted Bellerin because he's an immense FB and has been in the BPL team of the year! That's his capabilities but he's being shifted around like so many other players at the moment he can't build momentum. At the end of the day if The Ox loved Arsenal he would've signed a new contract by now!

20 Aug 2017 14:31:33
Perhaps he wants to win trophies.

20 Aug 2017 14:45:03
Just be wary of crowing to early AJH. You boys look a damn site better than you have for a long time but the season is far too young to be flocking over here. Let's get it straight Arsenal have been a far better team than united since fergie and we have been shocking. Let that sink in.

20 Aug 2017 14:59:25
Sanogo. I don't disagree but if SAF had gone 14 years without winning the League he would have been gone. I like Arsenal but it seems Wenger has too much power, he was a breath of fresh air when he came but he's stuck around too long.

I wasn't crowing, I was having a bit of fun. I don't think we will win it this year but I do not expect progress and see us competing.

Here's a thought for all of us, this year it will be 28 years since Liverpool won the league, 28! Fergie leaving caused us no end of trouble and we are now on Manager number 3 since he went, Liverpool have chopped and changed regularly to no avail. Interesting to see how you boys cope when you need a new man at the helm.

20 Aug 2017 15:43:58
I can see you winning it! Not been sour or anything but I think that you haven't looked great I either of your wins but you have put 8 away. Now this will be hard to take in but I think we played a lot better thsn you guys yesterday and we lost and you romped home . I have always said mourinho is SAF natural successor and have heard countless united fans whine on about him. But just looking at your squad and how you play just can't see you having to much competition . City will be a threat next year Chelsea look to have problems (have a good look later at them) and spurs suffer from small club syndrome and Liverpool used to be brilliant 50 years ago but won't put up a serious challenge.

20 Aug 2017 16:59:20
Ox has. Been our best player for the two games so far methinks. He is designed to play wing back and does it fantastically. Bellerini for me is not cut out for the current formation. He excels in a back four, but in a back three it's like he doesn't know what he should be doing. Ox deserves RWB, Kolasinac the LWB, then the three CBs Mustafi, Kos and Holding. Chambers can come in for injured CBs

Just my opinion though.

20 Aug 2017 18:11:34
I'm fully behind you with that train of thought rue.

20 Aug 2017 18:41:18
I would be quite prepared to sell Ox for the right price. His best position is a CAM but he is just not going to play in that position for us not with Ozil around and in the current formation. He played decent yesterday but by Wenger trying to squeeze him in the side he put the right footed Bellerin on the wrong side and in turn lost the threat of Kolasanic at LWB and then in turn weakaning our defence by have two fullbacks/ wing backs in the back 3. Sell him and get someone like Cavarlho ha will improve the defensive side of our midfield.

20 Aug 2017 20:35:31
28 years ago who'd have thought that's it that's Liverpools last title for 3 decades at least and in 2004 who would have thought Arssnal wouldn't go on to dominate the premier league for years to come let alone never win another title under Le prof?
It's a funny old game as the once dominant Leeds and former European champions forest and villa will tell you.

20 Aug 2017 19:25:20
Rue, I am with you. I wonder if we were settled with a back 3 and Ox had signed his contract if 40m would have seen Bellerin sold.?

For me it's simple LWB Kola RWB Ox

Ox doesn't have the touch / vision to play CAM at the moment and doesn't resist the urge to plough forward so CDM or CM roles won't happen in the current structure

Per should have been in the back 3, pushed Nacho to left side CB, Kola LWB and Ox RWB. We are asking to be attacked playing how we set up against Stoke.

20 Aug 2017 12:32:50
Everyone, including Arsene Wenger, knows that teams we face outside the top 6 will happily park the bus as soon as they snatch a goal from us. This makes it extremely hard to try and score goals once we have conceded, as seen yesterday. In our new system, although we can throw a lot of players forward, we are very susceptible to counter attacks, particularly when our wing backs have pushed forward. This leaves our 3 (sometimes only 2) centre backs to deal with the counter attack. Therefore, what must we do to ensure that we are less susceptible to conceding from counter attacks? HAVE A STRONG BACK 3!

I do not understand how Wenger doesn't see the need for a new top CB in our squad, knowing that 1) Koscielny would be suspended for the first few games 2) Mustafi would be recovering from the Confed Cup 3) Holding and Chambers are inexperienced 4) Mertesacker is probably losing is + retiring next season. You shouldn't play a system with 3 CBs with only 1 natural CB! as a result, we lost Kolasinac's attacking threat at LWB (where instead we had Bellerin wasting good chances) and conceded a goal through sloppy defending from Monreal (Xhaka is at fault here too) .

Being Arsenal we MUST be sure to grab the first goal against the lesser teams to make sure that they attack us, which therefore leaves them susceptible to our counter attacks. We must have a solid back 3 in the new system to minimise the opponent's chances of scoring against us, thus leaving us on the back foot and having to try and pull it back against a 10-man defence. Look at Juventus when they played 3 at the back - Chiellini, Barzagli and Bonucci - 3 world-class CBs, with very good cover (Benatia and Rugani) . we can't play a makeshift back 3 and get away with it in the Premier League, it doesn't happen.

Wenger needs to wake up, it is already too late.

20 Aug 2017 11:39:27
Good point made on motd last night about Mahrez " he's made it plain he wants to leave but he hasn't cried off injured and has continued to give his best in his last few games for the club "
Credit to Mahrez for bucking this new downing of tools trend in the game by want away players.

20 Aug 2017 10:55:57
I would love us to sign buckland great keeper cb i would go with someone like smalling think he would be good for us as a cdm like matuidi would of been ideal for us but we missed that ship.

20 Aug 2017 11:30:15
None of those players are moving between now and the widow closing.

20 Aug 2017 10:38:51
From a post below :

Wing backs. - ok as long as played in position 👍: Bellerin, Ox, Monreal and Kolasinac

CB's: Mertesacker, Koscielny, Holding and Mustafi - If Chambers is being sold then we need two CBs. Cover plus they are aging.

DM: Elneny, Xhaka and Coquelin. Need an upgrade here as no real defensive cover and we need that if Ozil plays. No real ball winner with a brain in there.


AM: Ramsey, Ozil, Walcott, Sanchez, Wilshere and Iwobi - scary if Sanchez leaves!! Sell Jack and get a decent winger like Mane! P@ssed we never signed him.

A: Giroud, Lacazette and Welbeck. We must sell Danny as he is not good enough.

As you run through that squad, it's about 5 or 6 short. The starting 11 is still 2 or 3 short.

If we need to sell - let's have an August sale. Black August or Buy one get One free!! Selling cannot stop us buying - drop them from the squad to make room. I really don't care.

Wenger was ruthless before - he must be again

Also - play players in the right position. Per should have started and Kola at LWB. These decision imbalance the entire team. Drop Bellerin and play Ox RWB. .Rambo and Granit were destroyed every time Stoke attached despite 22% possession

20 Aug 2017 10:50:32
Sy, the problems are so much more than that and I'm afraid we are not the club we were. The owner is a plank, the manager is past it, the board are weak and so are the team. But I don't think we will get relegated.

20 Aug 2017 11:25:01
10th is as possible as 1st Steve but both as unlikely as each other, 7th and missing out on the Europa is as likely as 4th and making the champions league imo so I conclude 5th is where we will finish.
It's what I thought before the season started and absolutely nothing has changed my mind, we are no better or worse than I thought we would be.
The good news is there is still more chance of us winning all 4 prizes available the premier league plus FA cup league cup and Europa league than being relegated mate :-)
If that ever changes then even Arsene would struggle to keep his job, I think :-)

20 Aug 2017 10:18:56
First week of the new school year report.
Wenger boys as per usual are not without ability but still lack the disipline desire organisational skills to finish top of the class or even be worthy of mention in end of year assembly.
Obviously still not doing home work or recieving the right parent support and once again turned up with ties in his shoes in place of laces but with perfectly usable pair of laces in satchel.
Parent must start taking his responsibilities much more seriously for both the the way the pupil reports for school and the effort shown during it.
As per usual must do better.

20 Aug 2017 10:06:06
Gotta say arsene and the team let us down last night. I usually defend a lot of players criticised but no chance with last night. Mustafi was terrible and Monteal was like a left back playing at centre back. Kol was the best left back in his team last season so play him there! He needs to stop trying to please players who are considering leaving. Either the ox plays rwb or bellerin. That's it don't put one at lwb it leaves us so exposed. Xhaka again partly at fault for the goal. I say partly because where he gave the ball away we are more than capable of defending that. Monreal also was at fault for not staying with his man.
I thought lacazette played well with a complete lack of service which brings me to ozil. A lot of time I believe he plays better then the media or some fans give him credit for. Last night however no he looked like a player that does not want to be there. I keep hearing we can't buy players because we have a squad of 33 players. Simple to me stop ****ing about and sell some then. Perez, Gibbs, chambers all have had offers I thought wasn't bad but we want to recoup the silly money we paid for 2 of them. Winds me up this does. Long rant over 😂.

20 Aug 2017 10:17:44
he needs three players in to challenge d16 but I can't see it. and vultures are sniffing round oxlade and sanchez. big choices to make.
I think the squad is actually worse than it was few years ago its a mess imo. with many unanswered questions on futures etc.

20 Aug 2017 11:30:44
It really is derby. We have a lot of players who aren't wanted or don't want to be there. I like ox and Alexis and sometimes ozil. But if they're not signing and don't wanna be there the look to sell them and replace them with people who want to be there. Otherwise we'll be rebuilding next season. Rather do it now.

20 Aug 2017 09:25:06
Disappointing result . Think everyone agrees Xhaka can't tackle and Ramsey's best attribute is timing his runs into opponents box . No protection on both fronts for a back three . Square pegs and round holes . Thought with Coq at Man City away we had twigged we need the best CDM plus Santi type . It ain't rocket science square pegs square holes and buy a CDM and CB. Jeez ( please play Kolasinac at left back or LWB there was a reason he was in bundesliga team of the year and it wasn't as centre back ) still time to put it right and have a good go at the league COYG.

20 Aug 2017 10:19:30
a top cm or dm is vital sussex. get a dm to protect xhaka or someone who can do his running. i'm not sure what's the best idea. or is he just not upto it I actually can't decide.

20 Aug 2017 12:05:24
Me too Derby just want Xhaka to succeed- tough after yesterday but being played in wrong role.

20 Aug 2017 07:25:31
What a poor oefrmance. The moment I saw the team selction I knew we were in trouble. We had struggled defensively agaist Leicester and it was clear that defensively we needed to play CB's, not LB's at CB. Why not play Mustafi, Mertesacker and Chambers? Then we played a RWB at LWB, despite having 2 LB's at our disposal. In addition, I would selected Coquelin next to Xhaka and told them that their first job was to protect the back three. We also seem to have changed last seasons winning 3 at the back system into the old failed system by playing too high a defensive line and not working hard on the decisive side of the game. If we didn't have enough fit CB's then I would have gone into a 4-4-2 system. Having witnessed that performance yesterday, Is can't imagine any of the three contract 'rebels' wanting to stay. In addition we should dod everything we can to sign a tall CB, such as Van Dijk and a tall agressive defensive midfield player such as N'zonzi. I am still stunned that we sold Gabriel when we clearly need CB's and for a paltry £10m. When we made the 2 signings early in the window, I mistakenly thought Wenger had changed and would spend. The window is nearly closed and we still need at least 2 players, we need to sell/ loan/ release many player and we have none of the contract 'rebels' signed up. I can't see us getting anything for the Liverpool match and Wenger will come under tremendous pressure. I hate to say it, but perhaps it's time for him to go.

20 Aug 2017 07:58:15
Spot on.

20 Aug 2017 00:55:11
Lads,
Wenger is taking off the players he signed that were supposed to improve us.
Enough said.

20 Aug 2017 02:14:13
Laca didn't get the service and dropped too deep when he should be on the last defender and kol should not be playing in the back three. He came as a left back, left wing back and wenger played right footed bellarin there. We had center backs available and didn't play them. Ludicrous.

20 Aug 2017 06:39:25
Steve
We have had many disagreements. But even I can't defend our teams set up.
I'm gutted.
We are at the start of the season, and we can't even play players in the right position.
I don't know who is to blame,
I was told last night that wenger has to get the wage bill down to offer, the money that is going to be offered to Sanchez / ozil .
All I can say is that we have know leadership. we have centre backs that wenger has bought . And will not play.
It's laughable that we sell a centre back
Our great club is in chaos.

20 Aug 2017 07:32:15
Spot on Welshgooner. See my comments above. I Harte to say it, but Wenger needs to go. We are entering the season in complete and utter disarray. If he has his badges let Henry manage alonsgside Bould. It can't be worse than the nonsense I witnessed yesterday.

20 Aug 2017 08:16:28
Bould would be the first to go, no passion nothing on the bench, I'm sure at times he sleeps, he can't even be bothered to throw a bottle off water,
NEEDS. THE. SACK.

20 Aug 2017 08:54:49
Welshy, Bould is controlled by Wenger, as he likes yes men and Bould collects his no doubt substantial salary. Do you think for one moment Bould would allow Arsenal's defensive play to be as it is, if he were given a free reign?

20 Aug 2017 08:56:34
Thats a great point made lads, wenger is selling cbs and playing lbs as the chief cb in a three man defense.
Again, I hate to single guys out but why remove kolacinac and lacazette and allow ramsey 90 mins.
Walcott and Iwobi looked like they had no direction when coming on.
Inept throughout and it seems like groundhog day.
All it takes is one bright piece of play and determined run in behind and were a beaten team and its getting old now.
Where are our quick, incisive attacks with hard runs in behind? . their in the past because Wenger promotes lateral and sideways passes until the opposition has ten men behind the ball!