Arsenal Banter Archive August 28 2017

28 Aug 2017 23:11:43
I hope over the next few days we shift anyone who doesn't want to be there, it needs a fresh out look and different style of player . it's going to be an interesting few days . things may get a whole lot worse before they get better.

28 Aug 2017 20:53:18
The club is entering a period of adjustment as Arsene enters his final 2 seasons. Provisions and a new structure needs to put in place for Arsenal to build on. I think as fans were going to lower our expectations for a couple of years. The squad needs a clear out and fresh faces bought in. We should support the club but constructively need to direct what changes we believe need to be made. I can accept Wenger staying so long as the club shoes it's preparing for his departure and the club's future. Wengers biggest weakness is his loyalty towards average players. A director of football would hopefully fix this issue. A clear out is needed and promote some youth. We won't finish top 4 but at least it's a platform to build on. The most important thing to me first is having players who want to be at Arsenal. Then players who always give 100%. Arsenal has lost its ways since the Ozil signing and it needs to get back to where it belongs. We might have to do something similar to Liverpool and Spurs as we don't have the finances to compete with Chelsea. City and Utd.

28 Aug 2017 21:22:13
We are sinking mate, Wenger is like the french version of the Britas empire now.

28 Aug 2017 19:58:53
So has Sanchez actually asked to leave now? I'd happily accept a mass exodus, plus Wenger leaving, and then a 2 season plus rebuild. Reckon it's the best we can hope for, even if we brought a decent CB and a DM I'm not sure it would help.

28 Aug 2017 20:21:10
I don't think there will be a mass exodus, no one wants dubachery, Wilshire, Gibbs, Campbell and a few others and Wenger is going nowhere, fast.

28 Aug 2017 20:49:28
Steve, the players you mentioned above are not wanted by anybody (exception of Gibbs) , that's why they will stay.

28 Aug 2017 21:57:47
Dags you know me, I was being ironic. Lol.

28 Aug 2017 19:27:12
I was just cruising in the famous Subaru in London where ox chamberlain flagged me for a lift to the west end, i said what part mate Soho he said Stamford Bridge asap.

28 Aug 2017 20:25:12
For that price i'd have rented a Limo for him. Thanks for saving me the bother.

28 Aug 2017 20:27:21
As long as he didn't ask to go Wembley mate.

Spurs always get lost at Wembley.

28 Aug 2017 20:38:00
Dags even we like Wembley. It's like our second home.

28 Aug 2017 20:59:03
Agree I've got more chance of taking Kelly brook home for a night of passion than spurs getting 3 points at Wembley dags.

{Ed002's Note - Kelly Brook says he doesn't find you attrractive.}

28 Aug 2017 22:35:27
Rubbish ed everyone finds the raver attractive.

28 Aug 2017 19:07:23
Liverpool fan just throwing in my two pence to the wenger argument, I have only ever known Arsenal with wenger as your coach and during the late nighties early noughties he was truly ahead of the game and I would consider him a pioneer of the sport. He looked into improving the fitness of players to improve their performance.

So where did it go wrong, the reality is the managers caught up with his methods, adopted them and then surpassed him. And as his job has never been in jeopardy he hasn't grown as a manager (competition is the on, y way to grow, look at Moreno as an example) . Instead he has stayed to what he knows in the hope it works. This 'safety net' has filtered to the players, everyone is comfortable and not pushing themselves so maybe a change is necessary to shake the club up.

It would be a massive shame for it to end like this and he should still be classed as a legend. I don't think anyone will match the invincibles.

The issues won't be fixed overnight but the club needs a mentality change, a 'nothing is acceptable apart from three points' approach and maybe it can get back on track. However with the money being chucked around they need to be quick or could find themselves further behind and a target for clubs like Southampton to catch.

P. s. Hopefully wenger stays long enough and bilic goes first as I have him in the work first manager to be sacked sweepstake.

28 Aug 2017 19:10:52
Brilliant post and I think you answered it yourself mate.

Spot on. Respect.

28 Aug 2017 19:22:06
Spot on 100% accurate post, being untouchable has done neither Arsene or Jack Wilshire any favours at all long term.

28 Aug 2017 18:35:02
Szczesny
Debuchy Mustafi Mertesacker Kolasinac
Walcott Coquelin Iwobi Oxlade
Laczatte and Giroud
If we hadnt sold Szczesny this team could have played yesterday and would it have been any worse?

28 Aug 2017 18:41:51
With Wenger as the manager, yes.

28 Aug 2017 18:49:12
Yes Szczesney wouldn't made some of her saves Cech did.

28 Aug 2017 18:17:01
Little did we think having signed two good players, that by the third PL match the pair would end up on the bench. Nor did we for one moment suspect that we would have sold Gabriel and possibly Ox and Mustafi.
The team selection, sales and inability to extend any deals prove that Wenger has lost the plot and is absolutely clueless, He told us that no futher signings were to be made when he advised us that he was concentrating on reducing the squad, not that selling 3 or 4 players we all would have kept whilst actually selling very few players that should go. At this stage we still have Debuchy, Gibbs, Campbell, Reine-Adelaide (needs a loan deal) , Zealem, Chambers, Wilshere, Akpom and Perez. We need a RB, a CB, a proper DM and a play maker. I am gobsmaked at this incompetance and cannot see a positive outcome unless Wenger departs.

28 Aug 2017 18:41:05
If Arsene left today we would need to find and agree terms with a replacement before the window closed and then sort out deals he wanted, forget it.
This needs to be a transnational season now, forget the league finish and concentrate on the 3 cups and then make a fresh start next summer, it's the only sensible option now.

28 Aug 2017 18:44:42
I bet the pair are wondering why on earth they moved here for after watching that shower yesterday.

28 Aug 2017 17:39:39
Ox done deal according to sources, I fear for Arsenal I really do, big clubs can fade into obscurity Leads etc, Arsenal are way way off the pace. it's a flipping nightmare.

28 Aug 2017 18:05:47
Forest and Villa both won European cups not so long ago and now are championship clubs struggling to even get baxk into premier league itself.

28 Aug 2017 18:19:18
Ox leaving is the best outcome for all, he was never going to be considered a regular Cmf player by Arsene despite those who currently occupy those positions being pretty poor, so Ox was never going to happy at Arsenal.
He may be no happier at Chelsea but that's not our concerns now. I wish the lad all the best personally I always liked him.

28 Aug 2017 18:29:28
I don't suggest for one moment that our problems are severe, they could easily be cured with the installation of a new manager, as we have some excellent players.
Cech
Bellerin Mustafi Koscielny Kolasinac
Welbeck Xhaka Coqulein Sanchez
Giroud and Lacazette
subs: Ospina, Holding, Ozil, Ramsey, Walcott, Elneny and Iwobi
And: Mertesacker, Chambers (I would sell him) , Wilshere, Cazorla (when fit) , Nelson, Monreal and Perez (I would keep him) .

This is a team that with Rafa Benitez at the helm could give anyone a match. Break the bank to sign Van Dijk and N'zonzi and we can compete.

28 Aug 2017 18:43:19
He will haunt us 62.
Watch him flourish now under a manager who will get the best from his strengths and improve his weaknesses.
Wenger is a fantasy football manager. one who selects 'random select' each week.

28 Aug 2017 18:46:34
So you are suggesting they are severe then RG because we have our new manager and he ain't moving now.

28 Aug 2017 20:19:14
Why would Van Dijk want to join us?

28 Aug 2017 17:21:12
Fee is agreed for Ox

Do you know I don't understand how we allow players to run their contracts down? This has to be very poor management.

28 Aug 2017 17:25:36
If the fee mooted is correct of around 35 mill. I think that's great for a fringe player with one year left. If he thinks he's going to play more centrally at Chelsea then he's off his tits. I'm thinking it's an upgrade on Moses.

28 Aug 2017 17:37:03
Have to say as a Chelsea fan, I'm delighted. Quality wb cover plus with a bit of training he'll become a great cm.

28 Aug 2017 18:08:25
I make you right CFC mate, the lads real potential is in cmf not as a make shift wing back that can't really defend consistently well.

28 Aug 2017 18:27:11
Let's hope he bombs because if he doesn't, that will go down as a massive failure to buy and nurture another talent and wasted 4 years doing so.

28 Aug 2017 20:02:25
He's not good enough Iam not going to lose sleep over him or ozil and I want ramesy out too and Sanchez after yesterday.

28 Aug 2017 16:38:46
if reports are to be believed that ox is going to chelsea then surely asking for fabregas in return is a no brainer?

28 Aug 2017 17:00:01
It's on sky.

28 Aug 2017 17:13:26
Out of all the players you need you want Fabregas? Another defensive weak point in midfield. Even us at Chelsea admit and know he is terrible defensively and doesn't track runners. Just what you guys need more of I guess lol.

28 Aug 2017 17:22:44
How stupid is wenger to play him against Liverpool when he probably didn't care what happens to the result and wanted to avoid an injury.

28 Aug 2017 17:26:35
I'd have him and sell ozil.

28 Aug 2017 17:26:54
But your right Bobby.

28 Aug 2017 18:28:21
We don't need or want fabrigas.

28 Aug 2017 19:59:19
I just came on to say the same thing lol.

28 Aug 2017 20:00:38
Or willian.

28 Aug 2017 20:01:48
Or Costa lol.

28 Aug 2017 15:40:42
Reckon this could be the start of a Leicester style anti Reniari revolution?

28 Aug 2017 16:33:58
What a shame Arsene is going to be subjected to more and more public ridicule before it all ends badly for everyone.
Should he have walked away, yes of course he should but he can't because he lives eats and breathes football he just can't make the right decision for him and the club himself.
He reminds me of an ageing singer who was once a Superstar but has now lost his voice, he can't hit the right notes and is out of tune most of the time but because he continues to play to packed audiences he thinks all is ok, despite not having a number one hit for over a decade.
" if it is my fault I'm sorry "
I find that sad to hear from him and sad to see him yet again in a position where the entire footballing world is shaking their heads at him and his decisions yet again.
Above everything else he shouldn'thave been allowed to be in this position and it looks very likely now he is going to suffer the indignity of being sacked unless someone close to him ( a true friend) can make him see sense and walk away of his own will.

28 Aug 2017 15:09:08
I try to keep optimistic which unfortunately with the way we are it looks like I'm drifting away from being realist.
It might sound wrong but I'm a bit glad we lost this way so maybe and that's a big MAYBE mr Wenger can see where he's going wrong.

28 Aug 2017 15:23:54
Your glad we lost? I never want arsenal to lose no matter what the situation.

28 Aug 2017 15:35:51
Thing is tho how many seasons have we lost near the beginning and thought maybe it'll be a blessing in disguise.

28 Aug 2017 16:14:23
Wash rinse repeat, the Wenger ethos.

28 Aug 2017 20:03:54
I didn't say I wanted us to lose mate, you probably miss read my post. I bet on us winning even when play Barcelona or Bayern mate. I was talking about the way lost, beacuse there is a problem and it need to be addressed if we lost by ref mistake or any of Arsene excuses no one will look or see that the team is terribly managed plus the players who are in their comfort zone.
Im not popping champagne and celebrating that lost just so you know.

28 Aug 2017 14:48:36
Don't post a lot but feel I need to.

Want to start with the owner. Me personally have no problem with him. The club is he's business and if he wants to take money out of the club then why shouldn't he? Yes he charges extortionate prices but if people are still going then it won't change.

As for the team we have spent enough money over the past 3 years and have enough international players to be competing at the top level. Pound for pound in ability we are on par with teams like Tottenham, Liverpool etc. I would rather have Henderson than the ox on currant form. but for some reason the ox Can not be motivated or structured and if he was he would miles ahead of Henderson. When I see other teams at the same level all the players have a job to do other than a few roaming players. i.e Ali for Tottenham, hazard for Chelsea and courtino for Liverpool etc. take Chelsea for argument sake kante job is to win the ball and pass you would very often see him in the opponents box. Our DM's run around like headless chickens. The whole team are like it. Yes we have some deadwood and our players get paid extortionate money so in hindsight should automaticly be motivated. But if morale is low it's down to the manager to sort it.

So that leaves the manager. And the fact we have world class players but can not organise them is down to the manger. He has lost the dressing room and has run out of ideas. After yesterday he should step down. I watched two mismatch in the same day the other being macgreoger vs mayweather. We have been getting progressively worse for the last two seasons. It's time for a new man in charge.

Also want to ask the ED'S a question. Why is there such anger on the arsenal page from a certain ED? This is a football rumour and banter website and a lot of the time you plant the seed and when people start asking questions get pissed off. You seem to get annoyed with questions but without the fans this website would not exsist. You have very good insight better than most other sites but it come across that you would rather there not be an arsenal page. Can imagine it puts a lot of new people off from joining.

28 Aug 2017 13:55:32
Why are we all blaming arsene for yesterday? I didn't see him with boots on. He put 11 international players on the pitch and they were all a joke including Alexis. The players need to have a look in the mirror and start fighting for the shirt.

28 Aug 2017 14:11:10
Take the rose tinted glasses off

Wenger signed and trained them

He's not up too the job

Wenger out.

28 Aug 2017 14:21:45
54 spot on
but the wenger out boys are enjoying this.

28 Aug 2017 14:22:22
Do you want a full list or will just 2 or 3 reasons do?

28 Aug 2017 15:03:26
You really think a man who built a team that went a full season unbeaten doesn't know what he's doing? Listen again a full season unbeaten! The players need to take responsibility. these are top quality players who didn't perform.

28 Aug 2017 15:25:28
54 people don't stay at the top of thier game forever mate, in every industry people have a sell by date unless they surround themselves with good people who help then stay at the top. Alan Sugar Richard Branson don't run thier business alone or even do that much they continue to thrive because they delegate, Fergie did the same he always had good support and accepted their help.
Arsene hasn't allowed anyone to help him and time has caught up with him as it does all who don't adapt accordingly.

28 Aug 2017 15:35:52
we're blaming Arsene because it is the same thing season in and season out. He's been manager for over 20 years, yes the players didn't play well enough but these are all his players. He picks the team.
When we moved the Emirates we were told we would be competing with the likes of Madrid and Barcelona so we went along with it, paying higher prices than any other club in the world. These prices have only gone up.
In this time we have not won the league. 13 years and you have the cheek to ask why are people blaming Arsene. If you could name me another supposed big club that would keep a manager who fails time after time I'll eat my hat.
We came 5th last year for the first time in the Wenger era, and what does he do? get a pay rise of 2 million a year.
Of course the problems come from above Wenger but whilst he is at the helm we are only going to get worse.

28 Aug 2017 16:02:52
HgF I agree with all that but we fans must take our share of responsibility to, at Arsenal we have been precious about individuals for years, Jack for ages was untouchable and anyone who even suggested he might not be brilliant was shouted down Poldolski was a huge fan favourite why because he had a go at Spurs on twitter all the time and the fact he never ran for the ball was overlooked.
Obviously the biggest untouchable has been Arsene himself.
The Emirates was full against liecester despite coming 5th and Arsene getting a new contact but what if the board had refused Arsene a new contract against fans wishes? Would the Emirates have been full then visit liecester, the board have no wish to take on the fans and dragged thier heels on Arsene future as much as he did because they were gauging fans possible reaction to them.
They have no wish to sack Arsene unless fully supported by the vast majority of fans as they don't want a fan revolt over it.

28 Aug 2017 16:21:34
The players come and go and they are bought and conditioned by wenger, the only constant behind all these excuses is Wenger.

28 Aug 2017 16:29:36
He sat on his arse as he always does while his selection of players run around like a chicken with its head cut off. He might aswel be in your living room on the couch beside you for all the difference he makes. it doesn't even bother him enough to get him off his feet to ask more from his players.
There are a thousand reasons from his hypocrisy on what Arsenal FC should speculate on fees and wages (he earned £11.3M last year) to sending out the same lambs to the same slaughter house again yesterday, while Lacazette and the best LB in the Bundesliga, who have two goals and an assist to their two games each already, rot on the bench, that could be debated with you but ultimately it would be a waste of my time and energy.
54 and welsh gooner, i'd love to know what is it exactly you wish from your football club.

28 Aug 2017 18:23:26
But wenger picked the players out of position and has no clue how to get our team organised that is his fault.

28 Aug 2017 12:49:45
Wenger signed both Mustafi and Lucas last year due to fan pressure. Wenger did not want to sign mustafi and looked at Kostas Manolas first to no avail. I think Wenger now is letting them both go in order to prove a point. Due to Wengers stubborness I don't think we'll buy anyone, and even if we do because he has left it so late the prices will be massively over inflated and they will ultimately be panic buys after what was probably.

28 Aug 2017 13:33:24
Nonsense. When has Wenger ever done anything due to fan pressure. He signed them because of a team need and tried to budget buy. Letting both go is a mistake, plenty others I'd release before them.

28 Aug 2017 15:28:31
I've read that Wenger has said or at least is inclined to not sign anyone and wait for VvD and Lemar in January or next summer. As neither mustafi or perez were first choice i'd say that these signings were due to fan pressure, and panic buys after another embarrassing loss to the scousers last season.

28 Aug 2017 16:24:42
The signings were due to Wenger missing his original targets because of his stubborness. He wouldn't spend money to keep fans happy, what sort of a statement is that.

28 Aug 2017 12:23:18
Instead of journalists continuing to ask the same questions, regarding sanchez, transfers and players attitude. They should be asking what has happened at the club to back up their 'catalyst for change' statement and what has wenger done to 'evolve' which I think he was quoted as saying (or something similar at least. These are the questions I want to hear answered.

28 Aug 2017 11:44:08
Did anyone read the mail destroy our squad today - went through every player and ranked them. We are a mess.

See Cech ripped into them also

Let's rebuild starting with our formation - please decide what it is so we can sign the right players

Let's go back to Graham days and get a solid defence - two new centre that are big strong leaders

Koulibaly and van Dijk

Pace power and aggression in midfield - get that right to free up Ozil or sell him. One or the other. For me - keep him and build around him.

Seri and Nzonzi would do the trick or Barkley.

Kola at LWB and Bellerin RWB

Keep Sanchez by showing ambition and add Lemar type player

Let's get serious

28 Aug 2017 12:01:59
Lets rebuild, starting with Wenger

Should of done it 8 years ago.

28 Aug 2017 13:37:39
That's the common denominator Malaga.

28 Aug 2017 15:03:20
SY4,
And all this by Thursday's deadline day?

28 Aug 2017 10:49:24
I didn’t expect the knives to be out quite so early for Wenger but he really doesn’t do himself any favours does he! He just seems a confused old man, I cannot understand some of his decisions;

Signs a £35M defender, who I think has done alright, and doesn’t play him (Mustafi) .
Plays one of our best players (Bellerin) out of position to accommodate a ‘contract rebel’ (Ox) to play in a position he hates*…. in doing so relegates another new signing (Kolasinac) who has looked excellent thus far to the bench.
*Continues to play players out of position creating tension and making contract negotiations tricky.
Persists with Ozil when it’s abundantly clear he is either not good enough or doesn’t want to be there.
Played a half fit Sanchez over our club record signing who has looked good in his first two games.
Who at 2 down switched to a back four but brought on a defensive midfielder – was this really going to improve us any!?

It’s three games in, we’ve lost two and already the season looks like damage limitation – dreading what lies ahead and I hate to think this way!

28 Aug 2017 11:07:24
If everyone looked at all the things that are going on at this club with an unbiased view, it is horrifying.

28 Aug 2017 10:22:52
Good Morning

As a United fan I am here in peace with a view from outside

After we beat you 8.2 a few years ago there was much dismay on here and unusually I posted on your page, I very rarely stray off the United page to post. The point I made then seems relevant, you needed to ask Wenger what the plan, what his plan was to improve the team and club. Teams are often an image of the manager, in Wenger terms nice decent footballing teams but one that lacks steel. I watched many Arsenal teams from the early seventies and your team usually had character, the late nineties team had strong minded players that carried you over the line. Wenger inherited those characters and it formed the base, the foundations of a great team. You know who they were and they didn't lie down. The simple observation is Wenger has never replaced them, instead buying nice decent footballers but it doesn't look like the character, the mentality has been taken into account. It leaves you with something I recognise from my own team in the 80's, a cup side capable of raising its game on occasions.

I go back to my post on here 6 years ago, what was Wengers plan? Looking at where you are it seems there was no plan, it was just more of the same and that means you are starting to get left behind. As an outside observer I find it hard to understand how the board of your club didn't assess the plan 6 years ago. Yesterday has been coming for years and it will make way for some choppy waters when Wenger goes, as we found when SAF retired. It could be difficult for a while and getting the right manager will be vital. You need to ensure whoever it is has a plan not just an image of how you want to play. I trust this post will be taken in the right way as I am just following up on what seemed obvious 6 years ago.

28 Aug 2017 13:45:56
All very true red, like a post further up from MK. Always good to have an outside perspective and unlike the usual rubbish from other United posters.

Many of us, although in my case it's taken longer, only because I felt he deserved a period after the austerity, now know he should no longer be here.

I don't want to slag him off and wish he'd done the right thing at the end of last season but now it is not going to end well for him which is somewhat sad but he will only have himself to blame.

28 Aug 2017 10:14:22
we need to get rid of the players that don't want to stay i. e. Mustafi, Sanchez, chamberlain and try to bring in replacement van dijk, goretzka, seri, mahrez are a list of players that could do a job yes I kno there's only a few days left before the transfer window closes also I think arsene need to bring in Henry in a coaching capacity.

28 Aug 2017 11:02:24
Do you think honestly that the players mentioned would want to join arsenal?

28 Aug 2017 08:21:06
Speechless.

The club is in turmoil.

Wenger needs to go, but he won't leave and the board won't sack him, so we have this dross for the next 2 years.

Worst Arsenal team I have seen for decades.

28 Aug 2017 09:35:04
But are they any worse than last season Dags mate? Are they any worse than the tram that last 7 0 to Chelsea or 5 1 at Liverpool, we have had many many worse performances and results at Stoke than last week's, so what's changed?
Everyone knew how poor the team and Arsene were last season an if people allowed themselves to be fooled by results against the beach boys of Stoke Everton and Utd at the end of the season then surely they are as responsible as Arsene for backing him based on those games rather than basing thier own backing on all that had before that both last season and for many many seasons now.
The results this season are simply usual Arsenal results a win at home to liecester and defeats at Stoke and Liverpool are people really suggesting we sack Arsene based on these results? Why ever didn't we simple be more realistic and honest last season when Arsene was out of contract? No sacking needed simply a celebration of a fantastic relationship that went on a little too long, we can't sack him after 3 games of a new contact that by far most fans wanted him to get.
We simply have to ride out this season at least and enjoy the bits we can because i personally don't see what's changed or how this season is any worse than last season or several before that.
We can't give our backing to a man we know inside out one minute and say oh sorry we've changed our minds the next that's ridiculous.

28 Aug 2017 09:49:05
Agree mate.
We had a massive opportunity to prove to Sanchez, our best player, that we have the ambition to match his, but as usual, have had a half hearted transfer window.

We are stagnating, possibly regressing, whilst our competitors are excelling.

3 games into a new season and we are already in turmoil.

28 Aug 2017 09:54:46
I don't believe we have the worst team, just amanager that is an enigma. On the one hane we have won 3 FA Cups and 2 Community shields over the last four seasons, we have also qualified for the CL every season, except for one season. Not many, if any Pl teams have a better record over this period. On the other hands we have a manger that plays too high a defensive line, a failed zonal marking system, a lack of true DM players, converts wide players into full backs that can't tackle, plays LB's as CB's and a RB as a LB (when we have CB's and LB's avaialabe) . The defensive side of Wenger's managaement skills are severely lacking. He allows top players contracts to run down to the final year. He sits on the bench grimacing instead of coaching the players from the touchline. There were signs last season that he had lost the players and this season after the odd team selction against Stoke he has lost them again. The shock Gabriel sale for a measly £10m and the likely sale of Mustafi clearly show that these players criticised Wenger, as there can be no other explanation why they have been or are being sold. We need to sell Chambers who simply isn't good enough and hasn't figured in Wengers plans and we need to replace Mertesacker who is retiring and also hasn't played this season. I believe we have some excellent players, who simply need the direction of a top manager. Would our current squad look better under Mourinho, Benitez, Guardiola, Conte, etc, yes of course they would, hence why most of our top players are wanted by other top clubs, its the deadwood we need to eliminate and even that hasn't been carried out successfully for many seasons. I want Wenger to go and I have stood up for him in the past and ether Benitez to take over or look at employing Henry if he has the necessary coaching badges. This can't go on much longer as the fans and team are clearly fed up.

28 Aug 2017 10:21:25
Gunner62 - Last season Wenger escaped due to the FA Cup win. All was looking good at the beginning of the window with two signings, then Wenger went completely off the rails. We had to sort out the players with short deals or sell and replace them, which simply hasn't happened and now we either sell and probably don't replace these players or accept that we lose them for nothing and have to replace them with expensive top quality players. He also sold Gabriel to most fans astonishment and has clearly fallen out with Mustafi. In addition Wemger has started playing LB's as CB's and Bellerin at LB. He has now dropped the two new signings and the teams selected against Stoke and Liverpool were simply awful Wenger has also reverted to playing an absurdly high defensive line, with no defensive cover. This was a problem with the old system and now with the new. So, yes things ahave got worse since last season and Wenger has to go. Incidentally in the past I have backed Wenger, but the period from the end of last season until now has shown Wenger at his obstinate worst.

28 Aug 2017 10:25:27
We can't sack him? Most fans wanted him to sign?

If you believe either of those there really is no point

Yes more fans should have stood up and made him go at the end of the contract. A lot did but some were still fooled. 3 games in or 10 games in doesn't matter. If the job is not being done correctly the contract can be cancelled by sacking him.

28 Aug 2017 11:16:06
It can TG but it won't be and it shouldn't be either.
This is a club problem not just and Arsene problem, the board are happy with 4th the players are happy with 4th the management is happy with 4th and the vast majority of fans are happy with 4th, none will admit it but it's true.
Look at the posts stating how we've only missed out on CL once in 20 years and how no other club can boast that? It fails to mention we've come no where close to a title challenge for a decade and more or for all those champions league years of taking part not one QF in the last 8 seasons.
The whole mentality of the club is 4th place trophy from top to bottom players board manager fans alike.
Some players have left because of it and some have stuck around but haven't been happy about it but most have been very content with the 4th place trophy and it's the same with the fans, some in know have given up because of the clubs lack of ambition lots of others aren't happy but have stuck around hoping for change but the vast majority of Arsenal fans I know and meet through work and what ever think Arsene has done a great job for all his 21 years with the club.
This is the reality and it really is a club wide problem, 14 years without a single title challenge and a waiting list for season tickets?
It says it all.
Change needs to come from everyone and we all collectively need to up our game and expectations consistently if anything is to change not simply go from doom and gloom after each defeat or declaring ourselves title contenders after each victory.
Sorry but if change is to happen it's down to everyone to play thier part.

28 Aug 2017 11:30:02
The whole mentality is wrong but Wenger runs the club. The manager is there to motivate and change that and he doesn't.
The players mentality should be changed by him and who bought these players? Wenger.
He needs to go first then see what the next manager can change.

28 Aug 2017 12:06:04
The fans need to go first, by making thier minds up and sticking to it mate, what's the board to do sack him only a little bit:-)

28 Aug 2017 02:05:38
Guys we need to get behind the team during this period of crisis otherwise performances are only going to get worst. We know signings need to be made and players to move on but let's not turn this into Wenger bashing as I fear this will play into the hands of our rivals and we will only slip further down the leagues. Let's just focus on what needs to be done (signings and tactics) . Arsenal traditionally have a poor start then kick on. We knew we were never going to win the league this season and it was going to be a period of adjustment. So let's not over react at a loss to Stoke and Liverpool away as they are tough fixtures and it's unrealistic to expect results. We should stop looking at our rivals and focus on ourselves. Restructuring needs to happen throughout and Wengers got 2 more years left. So let's hope things change but the manager isn't going to be one of them so let's just get behind the team. I think we have to lower our expectations for a season or 2 or else were going to go mental haha.

28 Aug 2017 06:21:15
How is it unrealistic to expect results. We should be capable of getting points out of both our loses. Their is obviously something seriously at our club. Arsene said afterwards that I am sorry if I am the problem but asks us to get behind the team. I always get behind the team whatever the situation is but I am of the opinion as I have stated so many times that Arsene is the major problem and despite cup success and investment in the transfer market we are still a million miles away from the major trophies. What a lovely way that would have been to retire after the cup win but no his arrogance and his ego comes to the fore once again and he thinks he can do it but he is not good enough in the tactics, selection and motivation departments but sadly due to the unswerving Faith of the IN ARSENE WE TRUST BRIGADE (fans and directors ) we are in deep deep trouble.

28 Aug 2017 07:39:18
Wenger has a two year contract not two years left.
The mentality of us having to put up with it for at least that time is exactly why we are where we are.

28 Aug 2017 10:32:25
I totally agree, challenging for the title was never going to happen as the mentalityof manager and of players simply isn't condusive to winning big prizes, there simply isn't the ability desire hunger or know how within the team or management.
Xhaka and Ramsey? Who knew they weren't capable ? Everyone.
Ox isn't a defender but because he did ok against teams that were less than committed playing there at the end of last season people got carried away.
There are so many reasons Arsenal football club are no where near likely to be premier league champions and they haven't all suddenly happened over one summer, they've been there for years but people simply chose not to see or accept them and 2 wins after the international break and those same people will simply choose not to see them again.
Nothing that's happened this season is new in fact it's all extremely usual and pretty predicable stuff so far.

28 Aug 2017 00:43:16
Why did arsene sign a new contract if he was to give us the same old play week in week out. A leopard never changes its spots. Wenger has took us for another ride. His promise to change and listen to fans has gone to pot.
His sheer arrogance in not admitting he is the problem is the whole problem at arsenal fc.

The players have realised. the majority of fans have realised. its the boardroom and rose tinted spectacled supporters who have taken us to these depths believing monsieur wenger will drag us out of the doldrums and into a new era.
The man could have left with dignity last season but his ego is destroying his legacy.

Top players do not want to leave a club or let their contract run down for no apparent reason. Money is available at the club so that isn't an issue. The players in my opinion have given up on wenger 3 games into the season. His backroom staff are yes men no one is there to tell him his time is over.

Today is the last straw. You can blame players but it is wenger who picks players to play in those positions. The performance was pathetic.
Ramsey is not part of a midfield 2. Bellerin is not a lwb. Monreal is not a centre half. Ox is not a rwb. i can carry on.

This club has potential to destroy teams and be succesful. The players are there but in my opinion its wenger who is holding this club back. His lack of tactics and passion on the pitch has rubbed off onto players.
Arsene should do the right thing for the club and leave. A fresh start is better than this drivel.

{Ed033's Note - Shouldn't people be charitable and give Arsene until Christmas.

28 Aug 2017 01:23:09
Ed I did give him while Xmas years ago and he keeps letting us down.

{Ed033's Note - It's only 3 games in, but i guess people have a strong feeling that there will be no top 4 again and no cup win this season.

28 Aug 2017 01:34:17
I don't think so ed mate thinknit is time.

{Ed033's Note - i thought Chronos is time, not thinknit 😋.

28 Aug 2017 09:52:22
Sorry stupid phone meant think it is time for change.

28 Aug 2017 00:38:09
What sort of a statement is that from Wenger " if I am the problem then I'm sorry". Oh that's all right we will forgive you then. That last bit was irony by the way.

28 Aug 2017 09:48:30
Stoner, mate he also said, when asked the hard questions, that after the game is not the right time to be answering or addressing these questions. when would suit you then Arsene, you who always deflects attention onto the next fixture where you will look to 'put things right'. do you want Geoff Shreeves to ask you what went wrong against liverpool before the next game? Perhaps after the next game? Surely all us mere cattle will have forgotten what dissapointed us so much by then and we can 'prepare' for the next inept performance from you amd this group youv assembled.